Joe Bloggs Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: In NZ who else would you want to buy into a syndicate with? The only others are Fortuna, Go Racing and Marsh. Who has the best results in NZ? Bearing in mind Fortuna use Te Akau as their trainers. If you follow my gist Chief, I have no argument with TA buying astutely, he's had great success with the lesser lights price wise, he's a disaster when you start getting into the stupid money only fuckwits pay...... Racing is unforgiving, I trained a full brother to a Golden Slipper winner, he was a K800,000 yearling, he won about 35,000 if memory serves me right, that was back when the fuckwits were emerging, when a fuckwit pays more money for a horse than what would buy a nice horse, then they're fuckwits........there;s an old saying Chief, ''when you walk onto a racecourse your head turns into a pumpkin'' it's an old Oz colloquial saying, but gee it's true.......it also relates to to an auction house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Are you on the cheap muscat vino now in the Gold Coast sun because you've stopped making any sense. Just bitter now. If you think I'm bitter, it's just the lemon in my tequila! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: If you follow my gist Chief, I have no argument with TA buying astutely, he's had great success with the lesser lights price wise, he's a disaster when you start getting into the stupid money only fuckwits pay...... Racing is unforgiving, I trained a full brother to a Golden Slipper winner, he was a K800,000 yearling, he won about 35,000 if memory serves me right, that was back when the fuckwits were emerging, when a fuckwit pays more money for a horse than what would buy a nice horse, then they're fuckwits........there;s an old saying Chief, ''when you walk onto a racecourse your head turns into a pumpkin'' it's an old Oz colloquial saying, but gee it's true.......it also relates to to an auction house. Nice house, not nice horse!.....hic, sorry..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 If someone is looking to join a syndicate then the only sensible way to go is TA , Go Racing aren't even in the same ballpark , and they are now looking at Aus for anything that is showing promise . Anybody looking at getting into a horse this year is brave , with not even knowing what the stakes for the 23/24 season are going to be . Paying 0000's to race for spuds . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: If you follow my gist Chief, I have no argument with TA buying astutely, he's had great success with the lesser lights price wise, he's a disaster when you start getting into the stupid money only fuckwits pay...... Then all the major successful players in the game are "fuckwits" according to you. As I said earlier Ellis spreads his risk and balances the portfolio. You can't buy a stallion pedigree cheaply. Unless you were Paddy Hogan 50 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, nomates said: Paying 0000's to race for spuds . You seen the price of spuds lately ? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, nod said: You seen the price of spuds lately ? Exactly why i grow my own . But as you say 23/24 season could be a lucrative season racing a horse . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, nomates said: Buying a particular stallion in numbers like Savabeel purely playing the numbers , the colts syndicate is one syndicate of owners working on one winning "The stallion making race 2000gns " or a G1 race of some description , selling that one horse makes the profit for the whole syndicate , get 2 or more and your quids in . Sangster and his mob started this in the 70/80s , buying everything no matter the price and reap the rewards selling as stallions , some at huge prices , some at not so huge , but at the end of the season it was about profit . If nothing works then the tax write off covers the losses . And then if someone doesn't want to play with the big boys then just buy a small share in a cheapish horse for a bit of fun . All TA purchases today showing 100% still for sale , but their cheapest purchase , an Embellish colt at 80k , all sold out . Their record with cheaper purchases is outstanding , and i'm talking the 120km and under mark . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, nomates said: Exactly why i grow my own . But as you say 23/24 season could be a lucrative season racing a horse . Me too -Jersey Benne And yes, I am still racing a couple and hopes high as always, one here and one in the flyblown land Not attending sales this year for the first time since I sold in guineas at Trentham so it was a a while ago but the roads are bad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Anyone who had the brains and balls to send mares to Embellish, at $4000, is a genius. Ellis deserves credit for sending around 20 mares - and is already reaping the results. Good luck to him with the high priced colt purchases, but I'd personally rather have 20 Embellish 2YO colts and fillies racing for Australian prize money and they wouldn't have cost me $625,000 to get them there and trained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 30 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: Anyone who had the brains and balls to send mares to Embellish, at $4000, is a genius. Ellis deserves credit for sending around 20 mares - and is already reaping the results. Good luck to him with the high priced colt purchases, but I'd personally rather have 20 Embellish 2YO colts and fillies racing for Australian prize money and they wouldn't have cost me $625,000 to get them there and trained. It looks like plenty did with Embellish get 3 figure books of mares at stud each season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 14 hours ago, Huey said: Has a Sire gone from hero to zero as quick as Ace High , in demand last year, 4 through the ring this year to date off reasonable reserves and none finding homes. reason?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 12 hours ago, KickintheKods said: Anyone who had the brains and balls to send mares to Embellish, at $4000, is a genius. Ellis deserves credit for sending around 20 mares - and is already reaping the results. Good luck to him with the high priced colt purchases, but I'd personally rather have 20 Embellish 2YO colts and fillies racing for Australian prize money and they wouldn't have cost me $625,000 to get them there and trained. Any idea who owns Embellish?😃- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Then all the major successful players in the game are "fuckwits" according to you. As I said earlier Ellis spreads his risk and balances the portfolio. You can't buy a stallion pedigree cheaply. Unless you were Paddy Hogan 50 years ago. ' You can't buy a stallion pedigree cheaply. Unless you were Paddy Hogan 50 years ago.' Wrong you still can...Zed has a stallions pedigree....you also need performance on the track.🏇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: ' You can't buy a stallion pedigree cheaply. Unless you were Paddy Hogan 50 years ago.' Wrong you still can...Zed has a stallions pedigree....you also need performance on the track.🏇 All you really need is the opportunity -numbers of mares 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Any idea who owns Embellish?😃- A very accurate idea, hence my praise for the guy who has kept a few shares. Cambridge own the majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: A very accurate idea, hence my praise for the guy who has kept a few shares. Cambridge own the majority. Clearly a fan/ramper-' Anyone who had the brains and balls to send mares to Embellish, at $4000, is a genius. Ellis deserves credit for sending around 20 mares - and is already reaping the results.🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 25 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: ' You can't buy a stallion pedigree cheaply. Unless you were Paddy Hogan 50 years ago.' Wrong you still can...Zed has a stallions pedigree....you also need performance on the track.🏇 You seemed confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) Very big fan of the stallion - I have two very nice types by him. Edited January 29, 2023 by KickintheKods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 20 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: It's a real battle, unlike past years, some lovely horses being passed in by pissed off vendors. Sadly they aren't realists, the market is telling them what people are prepared to pay. A bit negative @Joe Bloggs and not supported by the stats from day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You seemed confused. Not at all...I'll spell it out for you....you can still buy a stallion pedigree relatively cheaply...NZ's TB breeding industry was founded on it. These days ,people want to see black type performance. FYI...Zed has a stallions pedigree..Zabeel/Emerald Dream by Danehill-Grp1's everywhere. Comprenez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: Very big fan of the stallion - I have two very nice types by him. May have to wait and see if indeed this is 'genius'. Easy to get ahead of yourself in this..game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Not at all...I'll spell it out for you....you can still buy a stallion pedigree relatively cheaply...NZ's TB breeding industry was founded on it. These days ,people want to see black type performance. FYI...Zed has a stallions pedigree..Zabeel/Emerald Dream by Danehill-Grp1's everywhere. Comprenez? Zed was sold for $400,000 as a yearling in 2004. Or about $625k+ in today's dollars. Mmmmmm around the same price as the Savabeel yesterday. Comprendez? Both have black type performance in their pedigree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 There has been far more successful stallions with a great pedigree and average or no race performance , where as there has been many great racehorses that have failed at stud because of a lack of pedigree , as in the bottom line . A good racehorse by a champion stallion does not guarantee success at stud . Possibly the best stud at identifying great stallions purely on pedigree with no race performance has been White Robe Lodge , Mellay and Noble Bijou , 2 of the great stallions that have had an influence on NZ racing and pedigree . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: May have to wait and see if indeed this is 'genius'. Easy to get ahead of yourself in this..game. Are you on the game........? I'd like to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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