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Those with long memories will remember that Mark Walker received a lenient penalty when found to have broken the rules which resulted in a long running saga of complaints, ministerial inquiries etc etc.  But that was then this is now eh? Never happen again

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23 minutes ago, Mark D said:

Those with long memories will remember that Mark Walker received a lenient penalty when found to have broken the rules which resulted in a long running saga of complaints, ministerial inquiries etc etc.  But that was then this is now eh? Never happen again

Probably get a substantial fine.  Mistakes do happen.

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8 hours ago, Mark D said:

Those with long memories will remember that Mark Walker received a lenient penalty when found to have broken the rules which resulted in a long running saga of complaints, ministerial inquiries etc etc.  But that was then this is now eh? Never happen again

But wasn't that for false papers for a jumpers ticket which he got four months and a $5000.00 fine for?    

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I find it appalling how some on other forums are quick to put the knife into a stable that is probably one of the few positives that we have in NZ.

Te Akau has 5 barns at different locations with 127 horses in work.  

Staff make mistakes.

Yet some think that the recent mistake should have been picked up BEFORE the horse started.

Hell what other stable in NZ has or needs to have CCTV that enables the quick finding of a mistake after it has been done?

Then fully assists the RIB with their inquiry!

Also keeps everyone in the industry fully informed with professional press releases!

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1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

I find it appalling how some on other forums are quick to put the knife into a stable that is probably one of the few positives that we have in NZ.

Te Akau has 5 barns at different locations with 127 horses in work.  

Staff make mistakes.

Yet some think that the recent mistake should have been picked up BEFORE the horse started.

Hell what other stable in NZ has or needs to have CCTV that enables the quick finding of a mistake after it has been done?

Then fully assists the RIB with their inquiry!

Also keeps everyone in the industry fully informed with professional press releases!

It was a pretty expensive mistake for the punters of the second horse .  T A waxed lyrical on how good their systems are in place.obviously not up to standard required.

the same rules apply for the man/woman trainer with one horse , having five stables is immaterial to the situation.

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7 hours ago, Whyisit said:

It was a pretty expensive mistake for the punters of the second horse .  T A waxed lyrical on how good their systems are in place.obviously not up to standard required.

the same rules apply for the man/woman trainer with one horse , having five stables is immaterial to the situation.

A bloody sight more expensive for the OWNERS of the winner, who will now lose stakemoney, and the kudos for the Grp 1 also denied to them [ although not so significant for a gelding ] but also the breeders.  Ramifications all round.   But yes, T.A run a tremendously well-organised stable with top trainers /staff and their communications are excellent.  Mistakes do happen.

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10 hours ago, Whyisit said:

T A waxed lyrical on how good their systems are in place.obviously not up to standard required.

the same rules apply for the man/woman trainer with one horse , having five stables is immaterial to the situation.

Then why not subject the small stables to the same level of scrutiny?  As pointed out earlier the industry averages a positive about every 2 to 3 months.  Te Akau have had about two since they have been operating.  Which is a long time.  

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Seem to be more questions than answers emerging from the TA reporting to date.I think if they are going to reverse themselves and say anything after saying they wouldn't, I think they could be more transparent.

Also Chief, I don't get that small stables are not subject to close scrutiny. My guess is it is greater.

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12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Do you also think the same as another trainer that says Te Akau should have reviewed their CCTV BEFORE the horses race?  

Well in hindsight it would have saved a lot of grief but there's probably other ways to mitigate the risk of this type of error.

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14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I was referring to public scrutiny not RIB scrutiny.  There have been other positives recently and nowhere near the comment online.  

Probably because they have the book thrown at them and case closed, not to mention many are potentially ruined by it. Not TA they have more than enough support.

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33 minutes ago, Huey said:

Probably because they have the book thrown at them and case closed, not to mention many are potentially ruined by it. Not TA they have more than enough support.

That's not the case.  The penalties/fines and the precedents are clearly stated.  I'm sure if there is any inconsistency in their application in the current case it will be pointed out by all online participants.  I'm betting it won't be inconsistent.

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2 hours ago, curious said:

Well in hindsight it would have saved a lot of grief but there's probably other ways to mitigate the risk of this type of error.

Yes there are other ways but sitting down reviewing all the CCTV recordings everyday wouldn't be one of them.

One option would be to have two staff administering medication at all times.  Each checking each other.  But even then as we see in pilot error plane crashes that doesn't always work either.  

Same in hospitals where there are numerous cases on a regular basis of the wrong medication being administered.

I'm surprised given the number of horses in full work (127 across five barns) that there hasn't been more cases than one.  Is that correct this is the only case for TA?

All the big OZ stables have had one or more.

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1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's not the case.  The penalties/fines and the precedents are clearly stated.  I'm sure if there is any inconsistency in their application in the current case it will be pointed out by all online participants.  I'm betting it won't be inconsistent.

There wouldn't be anywhere near the outcry of innocence that much is for sure.

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Te Akau are not innocent because the horse returned a positive.  The application was in error, so not an intentional breach of the rules.  They will be dealt with in the same manner as any other licence holder.

Most stables co-operate with the RIB in these circumstances because it is not in their best interests to be obstructive.

Unlike the usual law of the land where you are innocent until proven guilty, in racing the complete opposite applies as you are deemed by RIB to be guilty from the get go and it is a mission to convince them otherwise.  I am ready to be shot down but, talk to anyone who has been charged and you will soon realise this to be the case.

As far as CCTV footage is concerned, I would imagine Te Akau (or any other stable for that matter) installed cameras for the safety and security of their horses, staff and business.  The fact that a mistake has been picked up is an added advantage and of benefit to the RIB in particular cutting down investigation resources and time.  Towns and cities around New Zealand have CCTV systems that are monitored live and in delay mostly by volunteers.  If some think Te Akau should be viewing camera footage daily from their numerous barns, imagine the training fee increase to cover the cost.

It is a shame this positive swab has to be so public.  It has happened, the horse will be disqualified, connections will be penalised, one win comes off the trainer's and jockey's tallies, move on.  It's not the first positive in New Zealand and won't be the last.

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2 hours ago, Special Agent said:

It is a shame this positive swab has to be so public.  It has happened, the horse will be disqualified, connections will be penalised, one win comes off the trainer's and jockey's tallies, move on.  It's not the first positive in New Zealand and won't be the last.

Well said. 

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I doubt that this was a mistaken administration --no senior staff member could make a mistake like that with the best 2yo in the country. I  think it much more likely that the drug is in common usage after  a     young horse has a gallop or race  and the withholding days were mistaken.

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28 minutes ago, nod said:

I doubt that this was a mistaken administration --no senior staff member could make a mistake like that with the best 2yo in the country. I  think it much more likely that the drug is in common usage after  a     young horse has a gallop or race  and the withholding days were mistaken.

yeah , you see all these excuses. always a 'mistake' lol. human error . yeah surely not.  but after years of working in stables it's almost impossible unless you're drunk or asleep to give the horses the wrong feed bucket, let alone >> administer a swabable medication to the wrong horse. You ususally have staff that are familiar with All the Horses surely? if you're feeding them , shoeing them, administering treatment or even brushing them lol.... you know what horse you are dealing with ......what are they putting the horse in the wrong stall/box or something ?   

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