Chief Stipe Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Talk about a can of worms there. It is hardly the connections fault, or the jockey's, although I know nothing about the specifics of the case. I imagine there will be some pretty well connected connections involved. Could be massive liabilities if they try to disqualify those horses. There was a lot of publicity about his claim and how well he was going, so I imagine Racing Victoria was most at fault for not picking it up much earlier. I don't recall any exact precedents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) I think the issue is one I highlighted earlier....namely, that NZ wins are all classified as metropolitan, as we do not have specific deliniations for country, provincial and metropolitan areas. Pretty simple really, but looking at the reactions elsewhere, the fault has to be somewhere between NZTR and R.V. Hardly the fault of owners or trainers and equally, Pinn himself. Edited June 21, 2023 by Freda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Such a ridiculous situation after the event. It's not as if the generosity of the claim was not pointed out prior to Wiremu race riding. Stake money by all would need to be paid back. What a mess that was totally avoidable. Incompetence personified. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I cannot see how the horses can be put out when it was the VRC stewards who determined Pinn could claim 3kgs Said stewards should have to show cause as to why they keep their jobs 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 It woukld be easy for Owners and trainers to show cause. Because the stewards allowed Pinn to ride witha 3kg claim at his first meeting in Australia then all owners and trainers are then led to believe the 3kg claim is correct and engage him on that basis. He has weighed out and weighed back in under correct weight in all those races according to the clerk of the scales. Surely the blame lays squarely at the feet of the Melbourne stewards. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 And/or the handicapper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 12 hours ago, nod said: Said stewards should have to show cause as to why they keep their jobs They keep their jobs because they're a law unto themselves. NZTR would've initially cleared Pinn to ride in Australia, it's then the Australian stewards responsibility to ensure each horse carries its correct weight. The stewards in question are foolish for even bringing their incompetence to everyone's attention. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 12:46 PM, All The Aces said: It woukld be easy for Owners and trainers to show cause. Because the stewards allowed Pinn to ride witha 3kg claim at his first meeting in Australia then all owners and trainers are then led to believe the 3kg claim is correct and engage him on that basis. He has weighed out and weighed back in under correct weight in all those races according to the clerk of the scales. Surely the blame lays squarely at the feet of the Melbourne stewards. How many times did we read articles explaining how surprised Wiremu and the Australian trainers were at having such a sizeable claim? The claim amount was issued and queried. Why should connections be penalised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Oooh and penalised they have been. Ridiculous. The person at NZTR should be looking for another job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 At least they don't lose stakemoney. I presume there will be a rating change, on both sides? What a circus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Circus?? nah. Kangaroo Court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 10:46 AM, All The Aces said: It woukld be easy for Owners and trainers to show cause. Because the stewards allowed Pinn to ride witha 3kg claim at his first meeting in Australia then all owners and trainers are then led to believe the 3kg claim is correct and engage him on that basis. He has weighed out and weighed back in under correct weight in all those races according to the clerk of the scales. Surely the blame lays squarely at the feet of the Melbourne stewards. Absolutely and totally!!! . If correct weight is declared after a race is completed that is CORRECT WEIGHT. clear to pay. The punters were all paid ok. What about the owners ? taking the prize-money off them now is just plain WRONG. what a slap in the face for them because of stewards error. they should not do it. just move on ......... Wiremu has !!!! Wiremu has just Won the 3rd at Flemington today , without a claim. !!! 😄🏆 well done young champ.!! Gave it to em' under a great ride with great balance, knocking off the 2 favourites. And 8-1 odds as well 💰. May there be many more !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: The punters were all paid ok. What about the owners ? taking the prize-money off them now is just plain WRONG. what a slap in the face for them because of stewards error. they should not do it. just move on ......... What? No prize money has been taken off owners, has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, curious said: What? No prize money has been taken off owners, has it? No prize taken back and those promoted are to be topped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) Doesn't make sense. How can you be disqualified and STILL keep the Money. ?? that is just a joke. But seems they're paying 'Extra' 's on around 29 occasions . 27 minutes ago, curious said: What? No prize money has been taken off owners, has it? seems you are right. They are gunna PRETEND the 29 horses didn't turn up and just 'Donate' money to them still. you're Disqualified but not forgotten lol.... 😆 how silly can they get. Racing Victoria has disqualified the 29 horses apprentice jockey Wiremu Pinn rode with an incorrect weight allocation after "imprecise" communication between stewards and NZ counterparts led to a costly administrative error. An audit by stewards on June 13 established Pinn was only entitled to claim 2kg in metropolitan races upon arrival in Victoria last month and had been "incorrectly" allocated a claim of 3kg from May 27 to June 12. The placings will be amended for the 29 races, and prizemoney awarded as though the disqualified horse had not started in the race. Fortunately, the RV Board has elected not to order the repayment of any prizemoney paid to the owner(s), trainers, or jockey Pinn from the 29 horses disqualified by the stewards. Edited July 1, 2023 by Gammalite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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