Chief Stipe

Where are you getting the videos from? Source please.

@Yankiwi please teach yourself how to copy the race Youtube links rather than downloading .wmv files on your pc then uploading them on BOAY. Thanks.

Viewing the TV only tells you where the Jockeys have chosen to steer and/or where the horse ends up due to luck or lack thereof. Given very few Jockeys walk the track before racing they use the first two races to suss it out. It is also harder to detect viewing the video if the surface in places is rough or shifty. Some horses just won't go in that type of ground.

The video for race 2 is still consipicuously missing.

They an two 2 yr old trials before the meeting started. Obiviously no problem with them. https://loveracing.nz/raceinfo/53597/meeting-overview.aspx

Well you are a better judge than most Trainers or Jockeys. I make a judgement initially on the form of horses racing on the track. If there is a pattern of form reversals then that raises suspicion. I then follow up by talking to Trainers or Owners that I may meet over time. If I have an interest in a horse racing then I will always try to walk the track before racetime and/or seek opinions oncourse from those with real skin in the game. So if your inference is that I have a vendetta and have based my opinions on no information then you would be wrong.

Cutting out and shifty isn't normally slippery is it?

I don't have any vendetta - why would I have one? Is this what you mean by "having a fair idea"? I'm just noting my observations and passing on comments that I have heard from trainers and owners that I have asked about the conditions. Te Aroha didn't produce something similar. On what basis do you say that? Sitting in front of the TV?

I was just thinking today looking at the past and future calendar that the Riccarton AWT doesn't seem to get much use to pay its way!

Guess what! The video has been taken down!!!! If it was a soft 6 or even a 5 I can't see how irrigation if it had been done would have made a difference one way or another.

Race 1 WAIMATE RC ANNUAL RACEDAY MILE 1600m CATALINA BAY (K Williams) - Slow away. KING OF THE DANCE (S Toolooa) - Slow away. ELANIA (R Muniandy) - Restrained to obtain cover after jumping from a wide barrier. JETHRO (D Tait) - Over raced in the early stages when attempting to obtain cover and raced three wide without cover throughout. SAILING AWAY (N Parmar) - Lay out under pressure in the straight The track was downgraded to Soft 6 retrospective to Race 1. Race 2 GM ACCOUNTING & CONSULTING MAIDEN 1200m SKYLARK (L Hemi) - Declared a late scratching at 12.10pm after bucking during the preliminary dislodging its rider who was uninjured. Trainer N Mitchell was advised that SKYLARK is required to trial to the satisfaction of a Stipendiary Steward prior to racing next. CLASSIC COUNTRY (C Campbell) - Slow away. Raced greenly throughout, running wide going into the bend passing the 1000 metres. BEACH BOY (A Goindasamy) - Slow away. DUJOUR (C Barnes) - Slow away. STORMY BELLE (L Callaway) - Slow away then being ridden with urgency to recover. Raced three wide without cover. UGET WHAT YOU GIVE (N Parmar) - Lost its footing and blundered going into the bend near the 1000 metres. Inconvenienced near the 150 metres when LISE PAREE shifted inwards under pressure. Following this race it was reported that UGET WHAT YOU GIVE (N Parmar) had lost its footing going into the bend near the 1000 metres. Video footage confirmed a significant slip when the filly was racing free of interference. After meeting with riders, an inspection committee comprising Stipendiary Stewards, Jockey and Club representatives, and the Jockey Mentor, undertook a track inspection which revealed a significant slip mark at the commencement of the bend along with numerous other areas of concern. Following a further meeting of riders the remainder of the meeting was abandoned due to track safety concerns.

MEETING NEWS Timaru Races Abandoned After Race 2 Due to a horse(s) slipping the meeting has been abandoned after Race 2. More information will follow.

Yep contrary to some pundits Swayzee has come back really well from his spell. Track Rating: GOOD Gross Time: 2:41:3 Mile Rate: 1:52:8 Lead Time: 48.3 First Quarter: 29.2 Second Quarter: 28.5 Third Quarter: 27.9 Fourth Quarter: 27.4 Margins: 10.6m x HFNK Track Rating: GOOD Gross Time: 1:53:0 Mile Rate: 1:53:0 First Quarter: 27.5 Second Quarter: 30.9 Third Quarter: 28.5 Fourth Quarter: 26.1 Margins: HD x 6.9m Seemed to be pacing smoothly. PCM08062411.mp4

Interesting Yulong were the anonymous online bidder for Imperatriz until the last bid when they bid from the floor. Apparently they do a similar thing with online auctions where they switch to another user account late in the auction.

Come on @the galah 90% of your opening posts are negative. The last topic you started was typical where you had a go at the favourites getting beaten and made all sorts of inferences. Nearly everyone in that thread disagreed with you. Pot kettle Galah. You won't respond to reasoned argument with logic or evidence. That's the biggest difference in our respective posts but you label mine negative. How is providing substantial evidence to support my claims negative? They are only negative in your view because they negate the conspiracy BS that you promote. You level of knowledge is as bad as the Stuff article around 2009 about a Levamisole positive that stated trainers were "loading their horses with P"! It was unintellgent ignorant BS based on someone connecting dots to arrive at a conclusion that supported their bias. It was nonsense. The journo had obvisiously been sent information or had Googled it and came up with research showing that Levamisole metabolised to an amphetamine LIKE chemical called aminorex. So yes I saw red when you started repeating the same crap. Actually Galah I ignore most of your juvenile swipes as its the BS you espouse on major issues that I take issue with. In my opinion it is those views that are killing the industry aided and abetted by the inaction of those administrators that could resolve things. The integrity of the industry is in trouble NOT because of its participants at the coalface but through the inaction of those making the rules and the negative culture of those enforcing them. You don't offer solutions you just point the finger and go "I told you so!"

But your points have no substance. You promote misinformation but I guess you can be excused because you have no understanding of the science. What's that got to do with Levamisole? Deflection? BTW I've always said that Gain of Function altered coronavirus leaked from a lab was the likely cause of the outbreak. Science shows that there is a considerable air gap between a wild virus and the one that infected Wuhan. Your drug testing arguments have a similar air gap. Your instincts have failed you in this instance. Science is about evidence based research NOT instinct. Occasionally you can get lucky on instinct but at the end of the day you need to provide evidence based fact to support your hypothesis. You fail constantly. The difference between you and I when it comes to the origin of Covid is I back up my hypothesis with solid science. You use gut instinct only. You display no logic and arguably your commonsense is lacking because you have formed the hypothesis that there is widespread abuse of performance enhancing dugs in racing without any evidence. When something remotely related to your argument surfaces you go - You cry wolf when you see a rabbit. The facts are: Your interpretation of what happened in the USA in the recent drug scandal is wrong and not supported by the facts. You have no evidence to support widespread misuse of unknown performance enhancing drugs in harness racing. A bit like your race analysis e.g. your bashing of Johnny Cox's drive.

Pull your head in and read the Act. BOAY has had a complaint before and I'm not looking for another.

Up to five trainers now that I've heard coment about the poor state of the Pukekohe track. Will be interesting to see the nominations for the 19 June meeting. Only 7 races scheduled again.

Pinch @the galah 's!

Continuing on in @the galah 's Chemistry education. Aminorex has amphetamine like properties but it isn't classed as an amphetamine. But looking at the chemical structure of amphetamine we can understand how testing works. Amphetamine variations all have the same chemical backbone which is what testing assays look for. If it doesn't have this back bone in a broad sense it isn't an amphetamine. Classes of drugs all have the same or very similar pharmcological effect which is caused by the common backbone. This is called a pharmacophore. For example:

This is the chemical structure of Levamisole. 6-phenyl-2,3,5,6-tetrahydroimidazo[2,1-b][1,3]thiazole. Interestingly Levamisole is now being used in the successful treatment of human colon cancer. Levamisole is an anthelmintic drug. Co-administered with fluorouracil in the treatment of Dukes' stage C colon cancer, levamisole restores immune function through stimulating antibody formation, enhancing T-cell activity, and potentiating macrophage function. (NCI04)

BTW this is the chemical structure for aminorex (Organic Chemistry 401): 5-phenyl-4,5-dihydro-1,3-oxazol-2-amine. This is what testing assays look for.

No because not only are you slow on the uptake you are biased and blind. Duh! So you've conceded on the Levamisole/aminorex argument and now arguing that there are undetected drugs in use out there. Where did you read this crap about small changes to exising drugs can lead to avoidance of detection? A cite please. However your statement indicates a complete lack of understanding of how testing works. A test doesn't look for the whole drug it looks for a chemical structure within that drug that classifes it for example as an opoid or an amphetamine analogue. A bit like Covid RAT tests - the test looks for a structure that is common to all Covid strains - a very small part of that structure that can't change. When testing for drugs the tests do the same thing for example with opoids they may look for the 4,5-epoxymorphinan ring which is common to all opoids. If a spike occurs on the test assay results then they can further refine to find what the specific molecule is. As I've told you many many times before modern testing looks for anomalies - e.g. if an undefined spike occurs on a mass spectrometer then that triggers a futher investigation and isolation of what the molecule is and its chemical structure. You would fail as a scientist because you are connecting dots without a chain of evidence. Some of what was sold was indeed snake oil and would have had no performance impact. By far the majority of the drugs sold were relabelled drugs that were in common use for therapeutic reasons or were on the controlled substance list. That was the biggest crime that was committed - relabelling existing drugs and selling them at inflated prices and circumventing race code rules as well - there are laws against that both in racing and at Federal level. Many got done for that not because they threw positives with their horses but because they committed fraud. Akin to what intially got Al Capone - he was done for tax evasion not bootlegging, selling illicit drugs or murder. If the administration of these mostly legal drugs resulted in improved performance it was more likely because the health of those horses improved or pain was suppressed allowing harder training. I'm sure with the extensive reading you tell us all you have done on the subject you will know that there were strict administration time frames given by the sellers for the drugs. Why? So they would be within the withholding times for the drugs i.e. by the time the horses got to the races their systems were clear of the substances that could throw a positive. If I recall correctly one of the relabelled drugs was Clenbuterol. Clenbuterol is still able to be legally used but has strict timeframes around its use. I can't remember what the fraudsters relabelled it but it would be something like GoFast 99. Clenbuterol was clearly identified in the relabelled drugs and through positives. It is probably the lack of a legitimate chain of purchase that alerted the authorities to the fraud. So effectively they relabelled existing drugs, handed out detailed administration instructions and got idiots to buy the stuff. The drugs weren't illegal but the process was. Refer above. I've explained this before. The lab testing in the USA is archaic at best. If a lab scientist did indeed make those comments then they should be sacked because they are not up to speed with current technology. No 101 - try reading some Organic and Inorganic Chemistry 101 texts - 101 is the nomenclature used for first year university subjects. Really? So your theory is he got a bad batch of Levamisole? Yet the testing lab identified Levamisole? Do you actually realise how daft your logic is? I take it you don't give any weight to the other hypothesis that the horses that returned positives to Levamisole were recent imports from NZ to OZ and that they may have been treated before departure to boost immunity to cover the stress of transport?

If it (whatever it is) occurs then you predicted it? If it (whatever it is) doesn't occur then you didn't predict it? If whatever you predict is race fixing how is the race fixed? Asking on behalf of the ignorant amongst us.

What is your hypothesis? If the autopsy is inconclusive what do you suggest they do? Make it up?