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Thinking about this further what future is there for young people in racing if a Trainer has no return on investment and needs to wait for a champion at some stage? Surely the 120 Te Akau employees are greatful that their employer is making enough money in the business of horse racing to pay all their wages. Likewise Chris Waller! Do you think the "Oh well I'm probably going to lose money so what the hell..." attitude has something to do with a lack of investment in the key infrastructure the industry needs?

They way things are going with Club rationalisation you would think it was a sunset job.

The majority of ownes are indeed realist optimists. Although it helps now that you don't have to win 3 to 4 races a year to get ahead of your bills. But if a public Trainer is not getting a return on their investment then they are subsidising everyone else in the industry.

At 6pm on Good Friday Eve - yep that's a good time!!

Ok don't ask Te Akau ask Chris Waller. I don't think they are running a charity!!!

Then why spend so much time being negative?

That's your opinion and you are welcome to post it here. I suggest you wouldn't get the same leniency from Scooby Dog nor the same level of privacy. Wrong about what? Your negativity towards the industry and certain stables must be extremely hard to sustain. This thread is a classic of how such negativity pervades the industry. The initial post was of a YouTube video on an interesting subject. A very well produced video made by Entain. Yet the Topic soon descended into negative comments about Te Akau.

I didn't first raise that point @TAB For Ever did. Winning a race is priceless and great fun. Ive enjoyed that privilege quite a few times. However if most stakeholders take the approach that they are going to lose or ROI is not important then nothing will change as everyone will accept mediocrity. Does it really makes sense to run a business at a loss?

How much of it have you given back since?

True but also the value added to the residual value of a filly winning a Grp race in OZ is very large.

Here's hoping Orchestral performs well in OZ!

So in a nutshell they are saying that the WBRR 3 yr old ratings for NZ are too low.

Well thanks for that but from time to time my eyesight and predictive text combine to post the wrong word even if spelt correctly!

Really? I didn't realise you speak for @Joe Bloggs but do you want me to list all the Tall Poppy slaying comments you both have made in one thread? Of course it isn't but part of that is because contrary to what you infer the big purchasers don't have a bottomless bank account so they need to trade off their budgets against the horses they want and balance their purchases against their market segmentation. Like any business. However it may not be an exact science but some have a higher strike rate than others and that's a fact. Really? Are you talking about @Joe Bloggs again? Or is it just a case of Pot Kettle Black?

Perhaps but at $76k over three seasons you haven't got a particularly good ROI either even when racing in a jurisdiction that has substantially greater stakes than NZ. I know first hand how difficult and challenging the sport is and certainly have my eyes wide open as should anyone who buys into a syndicate. I've been directly involved in racing for 50 yeaers. I've worked in a stable, help train horses and been closely involved with every horse I've owned. I tell you when you attend oncourse every one of 52 starts that your horse raced you get a very good understanding of the industry. I quickly learned that most trainers are stock traders and optimists. The biggest negative I've seen about racing is the negativity based on pure envy and jealousy. That results in a fragmented Trainer stakeholder group and Tall Poppy Slayer followers.

Like who? Not many down your neck of the woods. Congratulations on your three wins so far this season. Still you have a 1 in 5 chance of picking up a black type race. So what is their point of difference? Aside from buying yearlings and sending them to multiple trainers?

Really @Freda ? That's the best you've got?

Questioning in what way?

So @nomates I don't know? Can you and @Joe Bloggs give up on the Tall Poppy slaying? Even if @nomates you still have a horse with a tall poppy.

Yep

A prick doesn't do his homework. Also hardly "viscious" just have a good memory plus BOAY doesn't delete anything.

So your latest claim to fame is a filly by Roc De Cambes out of a passed in mare at that Inglis Easter sale that you rave about. Which has won 4 races out of 18 on off tracks for $76k in 3 years of racing. Now you don't actually own a share but what is your ROI?

Your figures are wrong.

Black Power and Mongrel Mob.