Chief Stipe

As I suspected In Secret's sectionals overall in comparison weren't exceptional. Very good all the same. The fastest last 600m of the field. Her last 200m slower than her second last which in my opinion would indicate she had used up all her gas. May not have described that very well and looking at the sectionals on my phone stretches my eyesight!

Excellent thanks @curious - first time Google has defeated me.

Then how can you conclude that In Secret finished fast?

How could they possibly be as woeful as Labour? The problem is that Labour did absolutely nothing to address the issues facing this country and many respects cemented them in.

Not necessarily when they run fourth to them. However relative performance is a good indicator and as we debated earlier one judge had her win rated higher than The Everest. Did you analyse the sectionals for The Everest? I can't seem to find them.

Imperatriz 5 Group 1 Wins this year vs In Secret's 1.

The term "very good" is subjective. If you believe In Secret is in "elite company" then you must put Imperatriz in the same category.

So has Imperatriz as well as a few others! Money won and percentage wins aren't necessarily good indicators of form for a specific race. $1.5m of that was from running 4th in The Everest. Imperatriz has a 76% win record vs 46% for In Secret. 60% win record for Imperatriz at Group Level. Imperatriz a $ROI of 160%. In Secret 57%.

It looked impressive but in my opinion she ran to her rating not above it and came to the end of that run a couple of lengths before the post. She hasn't won since the Newmarket in March. Well beaten in the TJ at WFA. Meets Imperatriz on equal weights.

Very good is subjective. The Coolmore she won wasn't an overly strong one and an age group race at set weights. The Newmarket she carried a lightweight of 51.5kg under handicap conditions. She hasn't done a lot since. A plus is she seems to not mind the straight six.

Yes I agree. How to use them is not intuitive at all.

Anyway back to In Secret. Is the only reason you are picking her to pile on is because of her run in The Everest? Or does your analysis involve other factors?

The comment was primarily about the way the horse walks in the parade ring and anyone who has been around horses would have had second thoughts about it. Perhaps you experience with horses is limited. Subsequently I did provide proof that I backed it. So another reason now and not "I can get better odds elsewhere"? Most people on the forums know who @curious is and I can assure you he hasn't "stiffed" anyone.

Yep I'm guilty of fighting fire with a nuke. But everyone is getting somewhat tired of your standard response to any post being a smart arse attack. Take for example my comment on Without A Fight's parade ring walk and picking it to win and your first response below. At least I backed up with evidence. You get offered $4.50 by @curious but we are still waiting for you take some of it. Mind you I imagine your "pile" isn't worth the hassle.

Although there is ample evidence in this Topic that you have ruined feel free to post some evidence.

You don't although you are quick to expect it from anyone else. You seem to be full of shit not just because of your hyperbole but because you talk big and walk (crawl?) small.

So cutting out all the Bullpucky (or hyperbole or whatever you want to call it) you don't consider $4.00 or $4.50 value for In Secret and it seems you haven't piled anything on Betfair! So the way it looks at the moment is that @curious's assertion that you are full of shit is paying $1.05.

So your $4.00 is hyperbole?

Quite fascinating watching you ruin your own Thread!

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Eh? I thought the races were at Kensington?

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