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Geez Curious that isn't even a well formed question let alone a statement! WHATS YOUR POINT? Or is vague inference the new speak for 2021?

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"Clarified" how?

So it wasn't having its first run right handed? Or it wasn't having its first run fresh from a spell? Or it wasn't having its first run right handed fresh up after a spell?

Not all people. Depends on a lot of factors. For example are we talking millions of dollars?

I think the discussion is about what charges and whether or not jail time will be done.

Probably horse Covid-18.

I wasn't referring to one individual in particular Hunter. I was just doing my host responsibility advising posters to be careful about what they posted. Now I had to do some research on that Auckland race because I took the inference that it was related to Kerr. I couldn't find any link. I think young Kerr has a lot on his plate without the harness community starting to blame him for all Harness Racing issues. Just trying to be fair - that isn't easy!

Well this guy got dobbed in for striking a horse on the head. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300189998/dunedin-man-heart-broken-to-lose-horse-after-admitting-he-struck-the-animal

No you are missing the point. Posters were starting to make accusations BEYOND what was published in the media i.e. they were directly accusing or inferring that Kerr was responsible for a number of crimes that hadn't been published. All I posted was a section from the Crimes Act under which I believed Kerr MAY be charged based on what was written in the Stuff article. There is a difference.

Like what? Mehe in case you haven't realised yet BOAY is a forum where you post opinions. I have an alternative opinion to Harewood's. Is that OK?

Rule Number(s): 642(1)Following the running of Race 7, Mr Davidson, Stipendiary Steward, lodged a protest under r 642(1) against the 1st horse, MIDNIGHT RUNNER, alleging interference by that horse to the 2nd horse, GALLANT BOY, over the concluding stages. The official placings were: 1st 4 MIDNIGHT RUNNER 2ND 1 GALLANT BOY ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 638(1)(d)Mr Davidson alleged that in Race 5 Mr Mudhoo (LET ME TELL YA) rode carelessly in that he permitted his mount to shift ground when not sufficiently clear crowding and checking THE SELECTION (J Lowry) passing the 200 metres. Miss Haley demonstrated on the films that Mr Mudhoo was racing towards the outside ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Not that I'm a legal eagle by any stretch - I think the following section is the one that applies - namely falsely using a document to obtain a pecuniary advantage: 240Obtaining by deception or causing loss by deception (1) Every one is guilty of obtaining by deception or causing loss by deception who, by any deception and without claim of right,— (a) obtains ownership or possession of, or control over, any property, or any privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration, directly or indirectly; or (b) in incurring any debt or liability, obtains credit; or (c) induces or causes any other person to deliver over, execute, make, accept, endorse, destroy, or alter any document or thing capable of being used to derive a pecuniary advantage; or (d) causes loss to any other person. (1A) Every person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who, without reasonable excuse, sells, transfers, or otherwise makes available any document or thing capable of being used to derive a pecuniary advantage knowing that, by deception and without claim of right, the document or thing was, or was caused to be, delivered, executed, made, accepted, endorsed, or altered. (2) In this section, deception means— (a) a false representation, whether oral, documentary, or by conduct, where the person making the representation intends to deceive any other person and— (i) knows that it is false in a material particular; or (ii) is reckless as to whether it is false in a material particular; or (b) an omission to disclose a material particular, with intent to deceive any person, in circumstances where there is a duty to disclose it; or (c) a fraudulent device, trick, or stratagem used with intent to deceive any person.

Heard from where? In relation to what?

Do you have legal training? The issue with your assessment is that you have no idea of the outcomes of all cases pertaining to this crime. I would imagine like most of us your sample is biased to those that are published in the media.

The blood tests were negative.

As I have said to the others be careful what you assert.

You may well be right Harewood but I assume you are as much a lawyer as I am. Subsequently please be careful what you assert.

Forbury I'm not going to tolerate hearsay and speculation on this topic of the type you engage in. So be warned.

No I think it is more akin to falsifying a document for a pecuniary advantage. It appears he has reached agreement with some in terms of restitution. Jailing him wouldn't allow him to do that. As a first offence, honest attempts to fix the damage and actively in a rehab programme will also help.

FFS - are you taking the piss? YOU are the one calling people names.

Pass. Perhaps for the same reason Colt 31 didn't want to stay on the back of the horse it was behind. Which incidentally died in a hole a fair way out. I don't disagree it was a dumb move but was it a deliberate move to make Colt 31 lose? Yeah na. If that was the case then he would have kept on attacking. If he'd known he was going to get 3 weeks then maybe he would have.