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But thats what they intend to create.

Raise you an Almanzor

I take your bid and raise you a Zoustar and Written Tycoon!

Haha that might be true, only problem is most people be racing there soon enough don't you think?

No, getting outbid would explain why they purchased 3 of the top 5 lots at last years yearling sales and paid the highest price for a R2R horse last year. As for too big , well we will have to disagree on that, watch what happens over the next few years to racing in this country.

Exactly my point , we are very amateur.

Wouldn't the real mark of guy be him going out on his own? As it is he is likely to attract a lot of lovely bloodstock due to his performances with TA. Have any other trainers that have left TA continued to perform at the same level consistently? I also believe NZ is in such a sad state racing wise the way TA are set up there not much chance of whoever is in charge not performing. Take the sales today , they will buy whatever they want, will there be another NZ trainer(s) to challenge them? I highly doubt it. In fact one could argue they are getting too big for NZ. Having said that he comes across as a 1st class guy and I wish him every success.

You make a very good point JB, one would also think given possible positive a stable has had that testing would be undertaken in a more detail manner. But this is NZ racing we are talking about. The one thing that caught my eye yesterday also was the TV reporter carrying a saddle to the stables for one of the runners in a 2yo race for TA, a bit amateurish?

Not to mention the quality of the horse over there, probably 25 Levantes in Aus at the moment. But Aegon might measure up, he really shouldn't have been able to win that , didn't get the best breaks imo (fresh up over the mile, great training performance) but looks like he has a will to win and the gears to back it up. Also a stable that really knows how to get them going for Aus.

No argument from me, but this gift price is no different than the top up is it?

Agree with NM the crowd look a bit weaker than previous years, maybe unbeknown to us all 100s of Aussies have been coming along to the night?

Yep thats a bit long in the bow of them. As I say these guys have become very powerful and get their own way on a lot of things.

TAB no different to any of the other entities that bend over backwards for this group. The industry needs to be a bit more careful about managing groups like this , as an owner they appear to get very well treated no matter where they go. One would expect its their way of advertising the new product available soon.

This does explain a lot. What was most exciting about last night is that I think we saw 3 absolute bonafide stars last night in Levante,Aegon and Entriviere. Aegon performance in particular was something to behold imho.

The concern is what damage they will cause to the industry in the meantime, we are only a small industry in nz.

Automated billing, perhaps it integrates with the studbook or the Racing Bureau or something like that?

I'm surprised to hear that, as I'd have thought the jocks would kick up a stink. One area of the sport that has a considerable amount of power to alter things are the jocks. NZTR simply do not know what they are doing, they are a copy paste organisation at best. BS will cause considerable damage to the local industry before he goes back to Aus, unfortunately alot of it will be irreparable by then. Your line of thinking may be correct about the injured jocks fund, but I can see a time when certain stables argue that there isn't a suitable enough rider around to ride their horse , so they get to pay the fine and have the rider available. Today would have been a prime example of that I'm sure.

On top of that a trainer like yourself performances will be judged against those that buy millions of $s worth of new bloodstock every year and move them on at a whim. When in reality youre the very reason the industry retains some of its soul and its real horsemanship. Unfortunately going forward the way the industry is being run trainers/owners like yourself will find it very difficult to compete neigh on survive , but this is all by design unfortunately. The powers that be believe KM night is going to sustain the industry , it won't.

The real problem with the micro shares for mine is a commitment one, the owners who buy a share as part of a 100 persons syndicate don't have the same type of commitment to the animal as the owner who bought breed and raised the animal themselves or the 5 guys who bought one off Gavel for that matter and sent to a local trainer. As CS says its just another expensive cocktail to them, so if if the base of the industry is erased (particularly given the scenario you have explained Freda) usually the place these horses end up at for another probably fairer go then if the base isn't there where does this stock end up? I have a fair answer to that. You only have to listen to these people on their podcasts etc to understand they have absolutely no affection or bond (most haven't even touched them) with the horse unless they strike the jackpot and get a very good one. So on one hand we have the industry espousing the virtues of horse welfare and on the other we have the reality which is in effect a factory type atmosphere, horse doesn't do whats promised on the jar move it on get another one.

Of course you all know why this is happening? They (y"all know who they are) dont want another Opie KM situation .

I couldn't agree more.

No ,when your first go tat the sales is Savabeel weanling to me it is no wonder these guys have the perception they have of the industry.

Gee I wonder what the horse will be by & who will sell it to them?? Hmmm

Aegon 4 me!

That would be brilliant if they did, should be a Strathayr at any rate, many smart people in the industry have said that than me. But can you honestly see them having a plan B?