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but Its not fair play if you drive to advantage any horse over your own,whether it be a stablemate or not. We all know it happens,but thats not fair to connections or punters. One of the reasons the success of the all stars was a major turn off for many punters was the team driving aspect of it. Drivers should drive every horse on its merits.

I see they have adjourned there inquiry into the d ferguson drive in race 1 last night.Punters confidence in investing was reduced by races like that.

We had both better duck then. You don't seem to like this fella woodham much.Thats a plus for him in my book.

I will say it one last time. You have been arguing that testing now days can pick nearly everything. I gave you an example of current cases where its alleged there was the manufacturing,distributing and use of blocking agents,masking agents,epo agents,etc.And that testing was not picking up its use. Further,its alleged these products had been distributed to many countries,including australia. The investigation was carried out by the FBI who worked in conjunction with a private investigator,who had been funded by the likes of jeff gural(meadowlands) The announcement of the uncovering of the widespread use of performance enhancers created divisions within racing authorities,with many saying racing was clean,while the couple of groups who had helped fund part of the investigation saying that the indictments issued were proof of what they knew to be true,and that the bury your head in the sand attitude of many within the racing industry just enabled those who were dishonest. Thats all been widely reported if you don't believe it.

I've also been thinking about the "hoping to catch all the boys at the beach" comment newmarket. To observe multiple stables you would need a large workforce. That doesn't seem plausible that they would undertake such a large scale operation. That rumour seems a bit over the top,but hey,who knows.

So your saying he broke the rules to give his horse something that he thought was not performance enhancing. Sounds like you think he is thick as well as silly.

Because its news. Don't shoot the messenger.

There may not have many on course,but as pointed out by the trackside presenter,wasn't it great to see the reactions of the winning connections of Dun it bad,which were caught on trackside. Feelings like they had is why people race horses. well done to them.

So what mr cook was saying was the field was asked to turn out of line and then was dispatched at the 2nd attempt. He says because of that the colin defilippi horse got worked up, and 200m after the start broke and ran in on his horse,causing it to fall.Its quite a long bow to draw that connection. But obviously he must feel it was lambs fault for defillipi"s horse galloping 200m after the start.

To be fair,afterburner stopped to a walk. Just watched dylan ferguson drive in race 1 at cambridge. Very strange,seemed to be steered into a pocket.I remember an amatuer getting 3 months for not taking the big gap on the fence. Good drive by nicky chilcott,completely outdriving D ferguson.

Tell the americans or saudi's that. Maybe they are cash strapped,and don't invest enough in their testing......or maybe,testing today does not keep up with all the latest performance enhancers

The point i have been trying to make to you,is testing does not pick up all performance enhancers. Simple as that. The reference to the usa i thought was self explanatory. You argue from both sides of the argument sometimes,i just stick to the same one.

Thats the approach of a good honest trainer.

In the USA Its alleged some manufactured blocking agents,masking agents,epo agents,etc. and others charged used or distributed.Much more to it than what just using a theraputic drug.

Mostly just from what i see on the track. from observation. Logic. I don't view the b purdon or the t herlihy stable similar in that respect. I am sure they use vets who advise them on the latest legal tonics,or whatever. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe there is a link,but its not consistently obvious to me..

The cases are ongoing. Justice doesn't happen overnight there or anywhere.FBI worked with racing authorities and drug testing agencies which do testing for the likes of the olympics. Much more to be revealed one would think,with i guess pressure to go on some to talk,deals to be made.

Doesn't matter what i say,or how many times i say it,you will twist it whatever way you want.

Actually i agree with nearly all of what you have just said,except in my opinion the all stars would be the most obvious stable likely to have used performance enhancers that may currently be legal or not tested for. Also,i think there is a link between someone who would supply people mood or performance enhancers to people,and the same thing going on to horses. You have previously replied no when i asked you that question,so each to there own opinion. Time will tell.

Also, The jockey club of sudia arabia is withholding payment of the $20 million dollar race Servis's horse won because of the ongoing american court case.. ..... Still rest assured,at least we have your assurance noodlum that our testing would have picked up what saua arabia's couldn't.

So thats a No to doing any reading as relates to the over 2 dozen vets,trainers and performance enhancer distributors who have been charged in New york. Some of those charged claiming in recordings "they don't have a test for it,theres no test for it in america". From your comments do you not believe that, or is nz testing more sophisticated than anywhere in America. One of those caught ,a jason servis is trained the 2020 kentucky derby winner (disqualified for blocking), and the saudi cup winner. Its alleged every one of his 1082 starters since 2018 raced on performance enhancers.

Is there somewhere on here where you read who people have selected

I just watched the bits you have referred to karrots after becoming interested after reading what you posted yesterday. Guerin saying "you can't just keep going to the well" defence of the John Dunn drive on Need you now was pathetic. Well mr guerin,we aren't that stupid. Dunn make a poor tactical decision to go to the inside,instead of taking the obvious clear outside path on the $1.20 favorite. Even the best drivers make mistakes sometimes.Why can't Guerin just say that. And Greg o'connor is simply too diplomatic. Last of the mohicans wasn't unlucky.R May made a deliberate calculated decision to remain 3 back the fence when it looked obvious that in all probability that decision would backfire on him . Thats not luck,thats just an example of a poor tactical decision. May would know that. And i'm not talking through my pocket on either drive. If they can't be up front about simple things like that,why should we think we will get much insight or unbiased opinions out of the show.

Noodlum,your yet again saying something i have not. I will say again i believe harness racing at this moment in time is as clean as it has been for some time. Do i believe that no one is currently trying to get an edge by the use of performance enhancers. Of course not. But you seem conflate that statement to mean there is widespread use. Also if i,or others express an opinion relating to a historical period of time,you seem to think that has to mean i think nothing changes,and i think the same now. I believe the riu currently appear to be more actively pursuing those that look to get an edge,and i believe that is a good thing. And i really don't think your naive enough to believe drug testing picks up the most modern of performance enhancers. The reason you say that is your argument is weakened if you admit the obvious. Again i suggest you go read the articles,or indictments relating to the multiple New York cases. Maybe you might learn that some performance enhancers,despite the worlds leading technology,are not be picked up in testing. People can't be selective when it comes to this subject . You can't be anti the riu or police if they take action against someone high profile you like,then in the next breath say nothing when they take action against the likes of alford.

Had a quick look at how they described the need you now and last of the mohicans drives.Guerin making excuses for the need you now drive,and then greg o'connor saying last of the mohicans was unlucky. Then guerin suggesting the articles on alford were premature. They are always making excuses when they should just tell it as it is. Its so predictable what they will say about everything.So no need to watch that show to find out.