All The Aces

Roaring Lion would give a 4 x 2 Street Cry cross Thomass. I am Invincible: He stood for an $11,000 service fee in his first season, which has ballooned to $247,500 for 2019 given his raft of stakes winners and group 1-winning sons and daughters like Brazen Beau, Hellbent, Viddora and Voodoo Lad. This season alone he has had 170 winners with Invincibella becoming his fourth group 1 victor in the Tatts Tiara on Saturday. He has also broken the record for producing stakes winners in a single season in Australia. The Top Ten bred on this cross are: Territories Broodmare Sire Machiavellian Hooray Broodmare Sire Machiavellian Conquest Local Time Broodmare Sire Machiavellian Sea Of Grace Lockwood Broodmare Sire Machiavellian Spirit Of Fortune Broodmare Sire Machiavellian Be My Sheriff Broodmare Sire Machiavellian Tantshi Broodmare sire Machiavellian Raidiance

They did on this one.

And what about their cock up on the dogs the other day. Had hot favourite priced and then every other dog at $2000.10 (incorrectly) on the fixed odds. The favourite got into trouble and another won and after a half an hour or so later paid out that price of $2000.10 to those that had got on at that price they posted. And don't forget about them laying off late on the tote which they say they don't do. Yeah right!!

Hasta la vista, baby...…..you'll be back. Can't help yourself...?

NZTR have an article on their website on June 4th. She may be back but then she is off!! Collett licensed for another Singapore stint NZ Racing Desk 4 June 2019 Jockey Alysha Collett has secured a six-month riding contract in Singapore Photo: Trish Dunell Talented jockey Alysha Collett has been presented with a major incentive to resume her riding career after eight months on the sideline. The 25-year-old has been relicensed in Singapore from July 1 and is keen to take up the six-month contract once she has regained some of her race-riding fitness and focus in New Zealand. “I see my surgeon next Monday and hopefully I will get my clearance to start race riding again,” she said. “I have been riding horses as part of the ACC back-to-work programme and going to the gym most days. If I get my clearance I plan to ride at the Taupo trials the next day then hopefully be back riding at the races the following Saturday at Ruakaka. “I’m happy to get my Singapore license again. I enjoyed my time over there last year and, though it was a bit slow for me to start with, it was starting to go well until my fall.” Collett has been off the scene since a fall in Singapore last October left her with serious damage to her L1 lumbar vertebra and a fractured right heel. She underwent surgery in Singapore to have metal rods and screws inserted to stabilise her lumbar region and it has been a long, slow road to recovery. “For four months I lost everything (fitness-wise) because I couldn’t move properly,” she said. “I couldn’t do a lot with the rods in. They were a massive restriction. “But since I had the operation about five weeks ago to have the rods (and screws) removed I’ve been able to do more and start to get my fitness back. “There is a little bit of restriction because of the scar tissue, but I’ve been working on it and gradually in the last two weeks I’ve got more freedom.” During her time on the sideline Collett did television appearances as part of the Trackside presentation team at the major summer racing carnivals and, though she enjoyed the media experience, resuming her riding career is her main focus. Collett has kicked home 409 winners, 375 in New Zealand and 23 in Australia to go with 11 in Singapore. The highlights have included her first Group One win on Consensus in the 2016 Zabeel Classic (2000m) at Ellerslie and finishing second on the New Zealand Jockeys’ Premiership behind Chris Johnson with a personal best of 97 wins in the 2016-17 season. Though Collett is licensed from July 1 in Singapore, she wants to ensure she is happy with her raceday fitness before heading there. “It’s too good an opportunity to pass up and I want to get as fit as I can here before I go to Singapore,” she said. “I know I won’t be as sharp as I was when I went over last year, but I know I’m going to get fitter and sharper as I go along. I’m really looking forward to being back riding and getting over there.”

Spot on SLB2.0 it is no value to you and even less value to punters if there is no collect. There is an idiot on the other site who is congratulating himself over backing a horse that only ran fourth and didn't collect. Not only has he lost money but potentially ruined the odds for the next start. Go figure. ? And Barry confuses himself as to what I stated earlier about opening odds set by the bookies. He actually reminds me of one Patrick Gower. He interviewed a couple of Canadians this year, got his ass absolutely kicked by them in the interview and returned to The Project and high fived and celebrated the fact that they didn't understand the word rant as if he won the debate. Barry comes over here engages and without fully understanding things then runs away over to his mates on the other side and tries to show how clever he is by making out things that are not and how brilliant he is. Oh how we laugh!! ? Look, I don't know Barry or his background...….but if he is in fact retarded (as it would appear)....then I apologise for any ridicule given. ?

I agree, if you bet on the tote then it is you vs everyone else as the dividend paid at the end is the final result after every single bet has been placed, however taking an early fixed odds bet is different especially when the odds first come out and you have a bet. Then it becomes a you vs the bookies as they have set the opening market. . Barry has already quoted earlier "I take the best possible price, for me that is usually on a Saturday between 8:45 and 9:30am as the markets haven't reacted to punters much at this stage," By his own admission he taking on the bookies at their opening quotes. Their odds have not being adjusted at that stage by public betting influences. Prime example: I backed a horse having it's first start right at the beginning, the bookies opening quote was $61.00. The horse won easily paying $7.00 on the tote and around $8.00 on the fixed odds. The bookies had their opening odds on how they saw the market and got it wrong. They get it wrong many times so you have to be fully aware of fixed opening odds offered by the bookies.

That's a bit rich coming from someone who tried to prove backing" value" (which is something subjective" anyway) was a way to win. When the shown loss was approaching the four fiqure mark it all went quiet and disappeared. You then tried another of your systems starting with a $1000.00 bank and now that has almost halved that has gone quiet also. How can you expect to be taken seriously when the evidence clearly shows you are not the world's best punter yet you are quick to put the boot into anyone else's opinion. btw I make no claims to any punting prowess, just enjoy having a bet here and there. You however rate yourself, as shown numerous times, but perhaps that rating should be somewhat considerably downgraded and a much more subdued approach taken when discussing the subject of punting. It would make for a more pleasant discussion forum for starters.

Et Tu Brute

I heard yesterday that Heslop did the same on another website (banned?) and then again on this one. Seems to have some history as a right troublemaker it would seem. ? I know you stick to your free speech principles CS but does this Judas deserve any oxygen here?

I still can't see how Thomass caused any trouble to the Punter's Club. He never posted once (unless it has been deleted) in 26 pages of the Punter's Club thread. In all those pages it has been about punting by others and a few wedding photos. ?

Are you thick or what Barry? That's not what you were asked. FYI I think Rocanto is a very good chance tomorrow as I indicated. We have been discussing Track Bias's when all of a sudden you introduce value into the discussion which has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. Hence asking you the question "Perhaps you might like to explain to us all how the pattern, tempo or running of a race is factored by what the horse you have backed is paying and how that helps the horse win the race." It was a piss take Barry which you fail to grasp and then you come back with an assumption that we know nothing about what is value (bearing in mind what value is to one person is not value to another)? Oh how we laugh ?

So again how does the price the horse is paying relate to the tempo/speed of the race.

You are making assumptions Barry. How do you know how, why and when I bet. I certainly have made no mention of it anywhere here. So what makes you think I wouldn't back Rocanto? Three starts ago ran in a G3 race and no luck when trapped three wide without cover last two. Has drawn 2 and racing at his best distance. All my discussion with you has been related to when bias occurs and factors surrounding that. Nothing further. Perhaps you might like to explain to us all how the pattern, tempo or running of a race is factored by what the horse you have backed is paying and how that helps the horse win the race. ?

Firstly Barry you have to find identify what the bias is if there is any bias at all. A lot of times there isn't, you have to identify them when there are. Again. The fresh strip of ground on the inner at Te Rapa last Saturday after three previous meetings further out from that strip in the preceding month showed the inside 3 metres to be the superior part of the track . At Wanganui when it is a heavy 11 there the winner consistently comes from a position close to the outside rail. The winning results of both those meetings illustrated these factors perfectly. There is no change to the track at Ruakaka from the previous meeting, the rail is staying in the same true position and the track was a dead 5 which will be the same or close to it again tomorrow (currently a dead 5). With no significant factor to create anything different to it then the track should play pretty much as it usually does up there. At Awapuni, where it is a heavy 11, four of the first five races are jumping races, two hurdles and two steeplechases. the hurdles run against the inside rail and the steeplechase fences are situated on the outside at Awapuni so I would imagine they will open up those sections of the track before the last three races of the programme. How that will affect the track is hard to say. However, the inside two and half metres has not been used since the meeting held on 30 March and they have had four meetings since. If the hurdlers don't make a mess of the inside then that section, if it is not waterlogged could well be the place to be. (this is where full disclosed pentrometer readings would make a significant help to punters) and if I lived in Palmerston North I would be walking the track today to find out for sure. However as I am not I will be taking note of how R4 plays out which is the first of the four flat races and then decide. Now perhaps you might like to tell us why your value bets demonstration created such a massive loss and you pulled pin. ☺️

The above post just confirms your thickness Barry. So you admit that a bias exists yet you can't find anyway to turn it to an advantage. No wonder your punting schemes show a loss. FYI identifying a bias is just one piece in the punting jigsaw and was the point being debated on, not the other many aspects to the puzzle.

1. Before and during. One must take note of both. (The former ie that's Before Barry) one only has to look at Te Rapa on Saturday and Wanganui yesterday. I made mention of the Wanganui bias the night before in response to a post by Weasel on another thread as advised on the previous page. The winner was right against the outside fence and the runner he liked finished thirty lengths in arrears after racing centre track. 2. If there is going to be a fast strip and it is against the rail then I will look for a horse that can run right on or very close to the lead rather than one that is going to get back and then rely on luck to get through on that strip in the straight otherwise it will have to come wide in the slower part of the track. All this was explained to you in the stuff I posted from the Australian website which you obviously have not taken in. I posted that as an independent view seeing that you continually refuse to believe Thomass or myself. Perhaps if you take your biased thinking out of the equation (excuse the pun) and open your mind to the possibility that there are track biases then your punting bottom line could well improve. And that's VALUE!! Here endeth the lesson!!

Just fixed your spelling mistake for you. "Barry is a good guy, gets a bit dopey at times, but I like him" Dopey, yes, he doesn't factor in any track bias at all when it comes to punting. As to him now wanting to bring value into it.. well.....he tried to prove that he knew value by posting $20.00 bets but the thread where he tried to prove this went awol after showing close to a $1000.00 loss. Then his next attempt at a betting strategy has hit the wall after this time starting with a credit balance of $1000.00 which is now down close to $500.00 and after each losing bet the bet amount reducing in size. Two strategy's and both showing the wrong side of the ledger.

Why doesn't that surprise me. Closed minds rarely learn anything. ? Well I hopefully saved Weasel some money with a post last night.

No thanks.

26 pages of Punter's Club postings and not one post on any page from Thomass.

There is no significant foreseeable track bias for Ruakaka on Saturday unlike Te Rapa last week and Wanganui today. The running rail is in the true position which is exactly the same as the last meeting there last month and there is currently a dead 5 track (dead 4 last meeting). Under those conditions I would think that winners will be on or near the pace in the running much the same as it played out there last time. The barrier draws of the 9 winners there last time (rail true dead 4 track) were: 9/7/7/7/6/11/1/5/11 Their respective places in the running were: Led/5th/ 2nd outside leader/led/led/2nd outside leader/3 back on the fence/led/led There were seven maiden races, a R65 and a R72 race that day. Saturday does see a better class of horses running there so they may be able to come from a bit further back so it would pay to see how it is playing through the day. ?

Just wondering, did you happen to notice any track bias at Wanganui today Barry?

It was as predictable as the sun coming up each morning as to where they would be winning today. Outside fence all day long. Winning barriers.....8/2/11/12/11/13/6

Yes