Gammalite

Yeah it really looks a hard thing to get a bet on at times ! Chief was saying at the top of this page some are restricted to $20 bets . wow ! that is a small amount. I guess corporate bookies have their 'Customer ' lists that are allowed to place big bets , as long as they consistantly place bets to give the Books a chance. I suspect BGP are a group like that with the TAB. Because they spend so much they get allowances . TABS near me are getting quieter and quieter. If you are a win bet punter why put a bet on at the TAB on Saturday metro racing ? when there's a 'free bet' return given for 2nd 3rd and sometimes 4th if you get beat (up to $50 value ) TAB doesn't do that , they keep the $50 and say "next please" !! lol , so I gave up using them (TAB) when Corp books give the same odds anyway, and have taken all my $50 bets so far .

Unfortunately as is always the case, when you have many horse trainers operating in close proximity in a training area/ barn or BEACH , accusations fly around when someone is DQed for a positive or milkshake or whatever and everyone in contact with them past or present is a BAD GUY because they know them/ knew them or even mentored them lol . some parties get tangled up by those getting dobbed in too. ( as Fitzgerald did) all remarkably similar to harness forums really lol ?

Well they (tab and bookies) need to return a profit to operate properly. Brodie has often commented on limits. I don't try and put that much on. $500 week limit total and live off the punt fine on that. Fun story for you ! is , with the Bookmaker rings in Australia you split the bet and use mules to get the bets on simultaneously with the Bookies. We did this several times in the 80's at Moonee Valley trots where there were heaps of bookies. The good horses would arrive from NZ and the 10k owner bet, would get split 10 ways and the 10 mules would hit the 10 bookies (with 4-1 odds up usually for an unknown horse) Hit them at exactly the same time. The price automatically rolled in to even money straight after. Bookies COPY each Other very quickly with Winding them in , so the HIT had to be co-ordinated. I was one of the 10 several times and don't think we had a miss actually !! was excellent work!!!! . I remember some of them Salzburg, Gatcombe, Smooth Falcon ,Vance Glen and many more, just too good for the locals. were Not trying to 'Break the Bookies " either.! you need them . They could cough up 3k each on that move, but get that back easily on the races. The 10 lads, of which I was one, got $100 sling each so we had great night out on Melbourne Town for the night . some fun days ! (and nights)

This is because your selections are strong chances in the races. I'd say all the posters here have the same problem, as they All follow the form and know the best horses each race with the best winning chance. (usually from the top 10 stables) Always likely to be coming in (the price) . Blowing out is sure a bad sign ,especially at the gallops . I do just fixed price. (usually similar anyway , but know exactly what i'm getting and do multi's mainly . TAB prices are always likely to come in quickly and late on too. the owner , or betting team wouldn't want for example, all the PUB punters , who follow the money getting on late as well . That would drop the price further I suspect.?? So the bet goes on in the last minute or 2 before race-time. Stella's Delight was just an example of the bets going on early, which happens time to time. I didn't see a problem. Wonder how the TAB deals with BoysGetPaid big bets ? they must employ someone to handle it I guess ??

The horses (Stella's Delight) whos form was fine for Methven. horse Had been chasing in faster times at Addington and Ashburton , but only having to go slow times on the grass (and with John Dunn driving instead of McCormick) was a good chance when only having to roll home in a 'minute neat' last 1/2 mile. Wouldn't take many bets to bring the price in with Stella. I think anyone following the stable would be very very happy with the price's of StellaDelight , and Mark Dunnett (today with a junior driver) and High Flying Harry (another juinior) at Addington. Can't understand all the grizzling really ???? seems some good value about ?

Great work by KORBYN KORBYN tonight. A DOUBLE double with 2 drives for 2 wins at Addington. Mr Newman improving on his wild Westport days?. Why muck around three back on the fence ?? and get everyone spitting gravy for not having a go. Drive like you are Inspired by Gammalite (Never locked 3 back fence ever) and loop the field from last position like High Flying Harry (40-1 ) and Smiffy's Terror (even money) did at Addington tonight and take Luck out of the equation. Harry home by 4 lengths and was truly a 'flying' Harry tonight . well done KORBYN KORBYN !!!

Quite astonishing ! seemed the 'unruly' three didn't want to be anywhere near any other runners. Must be so they don't get too anxious being close to them ?? so were way back as the tapes released and almost out of contention as you say . (unless can trot 4-5 seconds quicker than leaders over that distance ) Standing starts are just such a bad betting medium anyway with the risk, but that takes the cake.

That would be at the beach Chief . At Great Western they had Fire Tornadoes !!! It even jumped across to the in-field. good grief. 40 degree heat today, some drove 4 hours from Melbourne to that , they had one race. And usually their pockets would get burnt , but today it's the cars in the car-park ! The endless frustrations racing delivers all the time, At the track , at the TAB , now in the car-park lol......

What rotten Luck , missed out on this beauty pie for dinner. Self Assured $1.40, Franco Indie $1.10, and Bollinger $1.20 were just so heavily backed that the prices were too short for me to afford it after their wins .

Yes it seems when you look at it , he seems to have lost all form as you and Newmarket are suggesting. Has had quite a few Allstars drives past year without even going close with some (most) of them. am Missing Tim a bit on the 3rd string drives a little. he had much better results.

Another brilliant night for Allstars with 3 winners . Best in the country training for the night As per Usual. Excellent stuff by Nat with 2 wins from just 4 drives in her return . Prepare for many more !! How good.?

Nats back in town, and that Always means Winner winner Chicken dinner ...

Is interesting what is going on. A little the opposite here. The city centre is quite empty as the virus runs rampant around most main Aus cities at present. Border s are off ! great !! (except WA) I've just been to 2 different supermarkets (Bris) and many shelves are stripped bare. So is quite Eerie as feels like Society is packing up to go somewhere lol.. a lot of business are closing as No Patronage , even though No Lockdowns now. West Australia idiots still have borders up . Someone should tell them 'You Can't eradicate Flu" A lot of staff are missing in some areas as they catch virus, a week later after home restriction , they are back at work, both my kids and their house mates have all done that already. And hopefully better NATURAL immunity now too. Wonder if they'll be forced to have boosters now.? stupid vaccines don't work anyway. waste of time. And Yet the Sports events are getting GREAT patronage in Australia , races, lots of cricket etc, as is the holidays and people want to do Enjoyable things!! so good on em . (but they took all the frozen stuff and toilet rolls, lol........)

You are getting mixed up with Satan, Hitler and South Africa too much.? No one's going to hell . Harness Racing is Strictly a Sport of the Gods .. It's all 'Rock n Roll Heaven' for the trotting lads lol.

Too cold and windy ? (you'd feel it a bit as a sailor) also beer not quite as good ?? . Gammalite gave it a crack anyway back in the day to look after you. (a few Group 1's in NZ ) and tried the beer too !!

Don't grizzle too much. NZ still ranked 9th and Australia 5th IN THE WORLD. (the World has 196 countries) Be grateful for being in the TOP 10 , pull the whip , and get out there and enjoy life mate !!! We even have GREAT RACING and BEER (and football of all codes too) in both countries. What the hell more do you want ? ? woke government or not ........hahahahaha The Quality of Life index One of the most comprehensive equations is Numbeo's Quality of Life Index, which measures eight indices: Purchasing Power (including rent) Safety Health Care Cost of Living Property Price to Income Ratio Traffic Commute Time Pollution Climate Top 10 Countries* with the Highest Quality of Life, mid-2021 - Numbeo Switzerland - 188.36 Denmark - 186.25 Netherlands - 180.27 Finland - 178.95 Australia - 178.41 Iceland - 177.64 Austria - 176.36 Germany - 175.24 New Zealand - 173.60 Luxembourg - 171.81

Yes , I guess being by Bettor's Delight it's a miracle he (Bryan Boru) even trots at any speed at all. Therefore I should be giving the Dunn's credit for training /driving him too trot. ? Interesting to note Tony has DOUBLE DELIGHT (jewels winner) trotting in half hopples and 3 wins from 3 . and she is by CaptainTreacherous. another sire of pacers > >> Tony and John equally amazing trainer/drivers...... not many can do what they do.....

Well ok , Wolfie has retired long ago, but CURRENT DRIVERS such as AGH (who has won stacks of Rowe Cups and Interdominion trots) and drove a TROTTING winner about 1 in every 3 drives past year . outstanding .!! Johns figures show one win every 4 drives on Trotters from your figures. not as good AGH sadly. % way less. And Anthony Butt has left the country but no doubt you appreciate the wins of Lyell Creek , Take a Moment and a gazillion others, etc . Williamsons may be ahead of John on percentage lol ? John looking good on Sundees Son. Any of them could drive the best staying trotter ever though. hows 'Bryan Boru' doing? ? send him to Tony or Williamsons or Ants ? might get a win then. just kidding............

I think you're wrong with that . John drives mostly his own trained horses. As a teen in Auckland , I witnessed Peter Wolfenden jump on anything that turned up , and get it to win or go close in the trots. Horses he didn't train so 'Decisively' Harder. Special Pride , Framalda, Thriller Dee , Scotch Tar and bucket loads more. Same with Tony Herlihy winning Interdominions on Barry and Roys horses, and also Mr Anthony Butt on Tim Butts many trotters , Simon Katz ,etc John a pretty distant 4th IMO. (until he drives other trainers) Sundees Son certainly the 'single most Impressive' run ever seen in the last Dominion I admit. What was going on with Highgrove at Nelson though? might engage AGH to get it going ? just kidding.....

Standardbreds take the work well Brodster. Thoroughbreds can get away with longer spells and less work. If you gave a standardbred 3 months off in a paddock, it would take near 3 months to get back to same fitness. Why lose 1/2 a year of a horses racing career.? A stallion mightn't even come back the same. Longest break we gave Stallions was one month. 'Gammalite' a great example, going for many years and 90 odd wins 180 starts.' Here's one today in Brisbane in the last race Albion Park today. Had a few runs. Lancelot Bromac Nz. started near every week for 10 years since coming from NZ. start 445 today . Probably the record . LANCELOT BROMAC NZ View at HRA Online Foal Date 31 October 2009 Colour BAY Sex GELDING Sire Lifetime Summary: 444-31-66-56 Stakes: $348,295 Best Winning Mile Rate: 1:53.8 ART MAJOR USA

Don't you have more trouble with the humans running onto the tracks there. ? rather than dogs. That bloke in Wellington gave the jocks a bit of a fright not long ago. That was freaky.

Well you are correct with that one Brodster ! Sundees Son is going to Omakau today and likely to be pretty short odds. I enjoy the harness racing without betting most of the time so odds don't worry me too much. I just like seeing good horses go round. The locals at Omakau (not sure where that is but sounds remote) are in for a real treat.!!!!! Sundees Son in front of them strutting his Stuff. Also great pacers like Laver and Terry and Classie Brigade too. ecellent. For the life of me, for punters sake , can't see WHY they don't exclude Sundees Son from the betting today ??? He must be paying a $1 and $1 place you would think.? That way the punters still win if they can pick 2nd, as that could be the win divvie, and the race can become a Normal Betting race.

You are incorrect Brodie. The standard has never been higher. The Open class trotter Sundees Son broke the NZ record by more than 4 seconds at his last start, in a performance that even the most harshest critic like yourself would have to say was pretty good. One of the highest standard runs I've ever seen in 40 years following. LIKEWISE, The NZ Cup and NZ FFA were won by NorthIslanders,,,,, breaking several years of dominance by Allstars. Normally you would be plaesed with this instead of critical. But you've lost All enjoyment from the sport ? The champions of the sport shouldn't be described as boring. Are they boring being North Islanders maybe? The Franklin Cup was a 'Thrilling ' race last night , with the handicaps un-doing some of the stars of the sport like KRUG (the double derby winner) who is a Very high Standard horse. as well as Bettor Twist. Well done to KANGO connections. It certainly wasn't boring . and thoroughly well deserved . boring is a poor description of feature racing. place has gone to the pack. probably vaccine syndrome.

You need physical evidence Chief. Hard to make a case on 'hearsay' .or what people think they saw. I believe the witness has changed their statement anyway. so how do you proceed after that? Would be better to let them race .(McGrath , Alford and others that want to tube, inject , floss or dope a horse and penalise them on the LAB findings from Blood and urine results . Good, Hard, Positive, 'Can't deny a thing' evidence. then penalise them. easier on everyone that way. (example being , you might have a syringe in your hand to squirt something into the horses mouth that is not illegal so someone trying to rat you out , because you are on a 'shared' property , could be wrong with accusations)