Gammalite

They're Run by People with a 'vision' and different attitude to what Brodster just posted ??

Have seen snippets of HarnessXPress on facebook. Looks a U-Beaut publication !!. In Australia we had something called 'Black Saturday' once . A very 'nasty and unforgiving 'day with bush fires. I think the 'Black horse' and profit site rubbish mentioned at start of this thread, should be consigned the same fate, and all thrown in the fire where they belong.

That would be tragic ! imagine no harness at Alexandra Park after all the great racing there for decades. sad.. Albion Park would of 'folded' years ago except for the efforts and financial backing of harness loving businessmen Chris Garrard and Kevin Seymour. Auckland needs 'Rich' support . Call the 'Hugh Green Foundation' or something ? The Greens won bucket loads in Auckland , John even got married at the Alex park track , Surely he (and businessmen like him) could save the day ??? (or do we need to start a 'Go fund me Page ?lol.. ) And if you need more stables and horse to fill up fields !!! EASY FIX . Get rid of this stupid Training 'Partnerships' . Have One trainer per Licence ?? Instant fix Solution . BarryPurdon with own horses , Phelan with own horses ; Steven Reid with own, S McMullan with own, Hollis ; Ferguson ; Cooney .... etc etc get more stables and horses going so more Competition , therefore more fields , therefore more Betting

Thanks for that great Video Chief and Unhinged and the fantastic Nz Horsemen /women at Woodend Beach. Hope many people get to enjoy watching that ! and enjoy seeing the Top harness racing people 'at work' with even the horses looking like they all enjoy themselves. The 'open' forum has allowed everyone to see why the Countries leading stable has some of best performers in the nation, with years of great results and near the Best trotter (Sundees Son) of all time. 2 more 'Beach' trotters in tonight too at Addington . 'Five Wise Men' and 'Muscle Mountain ' . Fabulous trotters. The Beach is a amazing place for these amazing horses. Well 'Dunn' to them all...

Makes me feel more sorry for the Saginaw bloke than before lol... Hope you don't mind but had a look at Play Philly as you described, and well.... what happened ? Surely, Close mistook the laps or something? must of forgot it was a mile and thought there was a lap to go ? That was pretty poor ,I should say 'Very poor' steering for a 7 horse field . $1.60 fav and not in Trifecta. should of bolted in really. hard to work that one out.

One of the Nicest gentlemen I ever met in harness racing . Just sent this photo to a relative of his a couple of weeks ago actually in Auckland , who was going to take it along to show him so he could remember a moment in his fine Training days . This is SOLE COMMAND with Roy, catching up on the news on a Victorian raid. (He had won the night before)

Hey Chief , do you have free to air racing channel in NZ ? I'm pretty excited, as just watching the Wednesday Victoria races on Racing .com channel 78 as usual. (there are about 40 free to air TV channels in Oz these days ) And they just announced for the first time ever Racing.Com is gunna do the Melton Harness racing Saturday night !!! About time they looked after the Good Tough beautiful horses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is the start of the HARNESS revival ? I hope so . how good ? Pure Steel (a Hunter Cup specialist would be proud ) will have to see how Gammalite did in that race now ? lol...)

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Sorry Chief , was just trying to be funny and it didn't come off to well. Of course YES, I think most of the misdemeanours are just 'spur of that moment' mistakes in training and driving , and not calculated Cheating . Knew a bloke who popped the wrong horse on his float once (first starter) and it got picked up by the stewards at Tweed Heads lol.. .. Another bloke won with a horse he got from Tasmania . It won 10 days after he received it and up came a +ve for steroid. ( the Tasmanian trainer must of been up to tricks) but Out the Qld trainer went for 6 months DQ. he presented the horse at races with it in , so paid the penalty. took it on the chin too. enjoyed the break i think lol..... Race driving is even HARDER. there are many doing everything they can in the space of 2 minutes to beat you. I thought giving Cameron (Saginaw) and some others long suspensions for Spur of the moment 'errors' or Mistakes in the heat of the Moment, is Very Mean in my opinion . ( when NOT causing interference to other runners , which IS serious IMO and worthy of penalty)

Well don't those 2 things go Hand in Hand in life. Anyone who cheats is making a mistake lol.... Life is all about honesty and respect . the 2 critical things. Rules are in play everywhere for safety , and in sport for Fair Play, and even though you are trying to beat your opponent , you have to show some respect (to the sport, yourself, and rival) and beat them without breaking the rules and/or cheating. using skill is a way better option? And if you make a mistake.... e.g and say 'give a bit too much dosage to horse', and get called a cheat , you aren't showing the' skill level 'necessary to deserve the victory anyway lol ?.

Each case is different Chief. All the factors involved need to be looked at. There's been plenty of Cobalt controversy , we had the Te Akau cow paddock , we had ICE in a Waller runner or 2 , Caffiene in some Dunn runners, theres a few steroids floating around .....and don't forget ... a cherry on top lol....

Mark P and Robert D (just like anyone else) have had minor penalties in the past . Fully agree with you that the RIU are doing a great job , and I think the sport is fairly clean . compared to last century anyway. I saw elephant juice days (see Laurie Connell Perth Cup , they had to carry the horse off the track) makes your blood run cold . And a heap of milkshakes . (swear on mothers grave , never gave one myself though) and any amount of methods to get a win. Galloping guys Far worse than any harness guys. Fine Cotton ? lol....... Chief is saying the Dunn horses are improving AFTER they leave the stable so think he is on our side really , not like Happy and rival jealous owners who see stuff that isnt there. Am sure the swabs are taken from Sundees Son and stablemates the same as anyone else , and if a stupid Alford type character comes along trying to flaunt the rules . Give em 7 years !!!! well done RIU (agree with you) !!!

I took the kids to Melbourne a few times and they don't have any beaches??. Just 'sludge' dumps in Port Philip bay from the huge amount of freight shipping traffic in and out of Port of Melbourne. We went to Geelong once , around the famous pier and that, on a 35 degree day and all these people were swimming right next to this black oily sludge on the rocks. We took kids to the council pool instead !! lol in the Chlorine. We are really spoilt in SE QLD with Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast beautiful beaches. I wouldn't even put my horse in the water in Melbourne (maybe Mornington Pennisula is better) let alone step in that St Kilda , Altona etc. Nathan Purdon doing an awesome job with Spellbound. Yes ! big chance from the pole draw indeed. (no swimming needed lol)

Well how lucky are the favourites in the biggest trot in Southern Hemisphere ? the Great Southern Star this Friday night, Ex-pat kiwi Tornado Valley drawing one in his heat , and the 2 fav's I'm Ready Jet and Majestuoso drew 1 and 2 in the 2nd heat. TEMPORALE drew 4 so hope he gets to final ok too. And here's the HUNTER CUP . the big one . $500,000 race . and what a ripper !!!!!!!!! BUT have the kiwis have paid off the barrier draw person ??? lol...... ex-kiwis 'King of Swing' the pole with 'Amazing Dream' following him out ?? and 'Triple Eight' and 'Spirit Of St Louis' nice and handy too. ???? what a crock lol. meanwhile Aussie very best 2 horses LOCHINVAR ART (defending champion) and EXPENSIVE EGO in the grandstand at the start ? That is a bit rude lol...... but ...... May The Best Horse Win !!! 1 11151 KING OF SWING NZ Belinda McCarthy Luke McCarthy NR120 FR1 2 30251 TRIPLE EIGHT NZ Jess Tubbs Greg Sugars NR120 FR2 3 52046 OUR UNCLE SAM Chris Frisby Anthony Frisby NR119 FR3 4 38111 SPIRIT OF ST LOUIS NZ Belinda McCarthy Jack Callaghan (C) NR120 FR4 5 10s92 PHOENIX PRINCE Emma Stewart Jodi Quinlan NR120 FR5 6 11s23 LOCHINVAR ART David Moran David Moran NR120 FR6 7 11242 EXPENSIVE EGO Belinda McCarthy Luke McCarthy NR120 FR7 ------------------------------ Second Row ------------------------------ 8 13322 AMAZING DREAM NZ Nathan Purdon NR120 SR1 9 73213 MACH DAN Emma Stewart Mark Pitt NR120 SR2 10 119s1 WILLIE GO WEST NZ Dean Braun Chris Alford NR100 SR3 11 21177 SUPREME DOMINATOR NZ (Em 1) Joe Pace Melton 05/02/2022 James Herbertson (C) NR105 SR- 12 81370 MALCOLMS RHYTHM David Aiken Josh Aiken NR118 SR4 13 43240 MAX DELIGHT David Aiken Chris Alford NR120 SR5

And Here they goooooo! The 100k Ladyship Pace at Melton Saturday night. Let em rip ! We forgot about SPELLBOUND Chief !! another fine NZ mare who raced midfield in NZ being trained at that fantastic Beach, but winning in Oz. I think the Aussies are lucky STYLISH MEMPHIS went to Sydney to prepare for their big races or this could of been a NZ Trifecta !!!! they are gunna be handy in the running . Emma Stewart will try and upset the 'kiwi party" 1 81112 SPELLBOUND NZ Nathan Purdon Stuart McDonald NR120 FR1 2 74231 BETTOR ROBYN Belinda McCarthy Jack Callaghan (C) NR96 FR2 3 76211 IM OFF N GONE NZ Dean Braun Chris Alford NR81 FR3 4 s1212 ROGUE WAVE Emma Stewart NR68 (A70) FR4 5 4666s ENCHANTED STRIDE David Miles David Miles NR97 FR5 6 21637 SEW WHAT Lance Justice Lance Justice NR82 FR6 7 12211 MAAJIDA Emma Stewart Greg Sugars NR120 FR7 ------------------------------ Second Row ------------------------------ 8 27125 SWEET LOUISE Philip Chircop Greg Sugars NR77 SR1 9 5811r CHEYELLA (Em 1) Laura Crossland Laura Crossland NR76 SR- 10 22112 FAIRY TINKABELL NZ Belinda McCarthy Luke McCarthy NR114 SR2 11 22162 MONA MIA Kari Males Michael Bellman ODM NR91 SR3

Things are looking Grim when the CEO of HRNZ (Woodham) sends his nice horse to Australia to race, rather than seeing her compete locally. OFF N GONE was a handy mare a year ago from the leading Nz stable of Robert,John and Jenna Dunn. But surprisingly, she has had only 1 win in the past year, even with all this 'Beach magic B/S ' that you read about here and there, from the harness conspirators/ distractors. Chasing home It's All About Faith , Taipo, etc in -1.55 MR is just a fraction to fast for her to get in the placings (spring campaign) The Summer campaign has seen I'm Off N Gone regain form with Dean Braun (Cruz Bromac man) in Victoria winning her last 2 starts now. She Beat the even money fav SMOOTH DEAL the other day !! a horse of Allstars sacked from NZ for poor performance , he has 5 wins with Brent Lilley now) Crikey it's hard to win in NZ ??? for the nice mid class horses. Pembrook Playboy another example IMO. send him over too ! Spirit of St Louis and Triple Eight are having a 'Field Day' earning big dollars , after mild NZ form in fast class. send more over......

Yeah it really looks a hard thing to get a bet on at times ! Chief was saying at the top of this page some are restricted to $20 bets . wow ! that is a small amount. I guess corporate bookies have their 'Customer ' lists that are allowed to place big bets , as long as they consistantly place bets to give the Books a chance. I suspect BGP are a group like that with the TAB. Because they spend so much they get allowances . TABS near me are getting quieter and quieter. If you are a win bet punter why put a bet on at the TAB on Saturday metro racing ? when there's a 'free bet' return given for 2nd 3rd and sometimes 4th if you get beat (up to $50 value ) TAB doesn't do that , they keep the $50 and say "next please" !! lol , so I gave up using them (TAB) when Corp books give the same odds anyway, and have taken all my $50 bets so far .

Unfortunately as is always the case, when you have many horse trainers operating in close proximity in a training area/ barn or BEACH , accusations fly around when someone is DQed for a positive or milkshake or whatever and everyone in contact with them past or present is a BAD GUY because they know them/ knew them or even mentored them lol . some parties get tangled up by those getting dobbed in too. ( as Fitzgerald did) all remarkably similar to harness forums really lol ?

Well they (tab and bookies) need to return a profit to operate properly. Brodie has often commented on limits. I don't try and put that much on. $500 week limit total and live off the punt fine on that. Fun story for you ! is , with the Bookmaker rings in Australia you split the bet and use mules to get the bets on simultaneously with the Bookies. We did this several times in the 80's at Moonee Valley trots where there were heaps of bookies. The good horses would arrive from NZ and the 10k owner bet, would get split 10 ways and the 10 mules would hit the 10 bookies (with 4-1 odds up usually for an unknown horse) Hit them at exactly the same time. The price automatically rolled in to even money straight after. Bookies COPY each Other very quickly with Winding them in , so the HIT had to be co-ordinated. I was one of the 10 several times and don't think we had a miss actually !! was excellent work!!!! . I remember some of them Salzburg, Gatcombe, Smooth Falcon ,Vance Glen and many more, just too good for the locals. were Not trying to 'Break the Bookies " either.! you need them . They could cough up 3k each on that move, but get that back easily on the races. The 10 lads, of which I was one, got $100 sling each so we had great night out on Melbourne Town for the night . some fun days ! (and nights)

This is because your selections are strong chances in the races. I'd say all the posters here have the same problem, as they All follow the form and know the best horses each race with the best winning chance. (usually from the top 10 stables) Always likely to be coming in (the price) . Blowing out is sure a bad sign ,especially at the gallops . I do just fixed price. (usually similar anyway , but know exactly what i'm getting and do multi's mainly . TAB prices are always likely to come in quickly and late on too. the owner , or betting team wouldn't want for example, all the PUB punters , who follow the money getting on late as well . That would drop the price further I suspect.?? So the bet goes on in the last minute or 2 before race-time. Stella's Delight was just an example of the bets going on early, which happens time to time. I didn't see a problem. Wonder how the TAB deals with BoysGetPaid big bets ? they must employ someone to handle it I guess ??

The horses (Stella's Delight) whos form was fine for Methven. horse Had been chasing in faster times at Addington and Ashburton , but only having to go slow times on the grass (and with John Dunn driving instead of McCormick) was a good chance when only having to roll home in a 'minute neat' last 1/2 mile. Wouldn't take many bets to bring the price in with Stella. I think anyone following the stable would be very very happy with the price's of StellaDelight , and Mark Dunnett (today with a junior driver) and High Flying Harry (another juinior) at Addington. Can't understand all the grizzling really ???? seems some good value about ?

Great work by KORBYN KORBYN tonight. A DOUBLE double with 2 drives for 2 wins at Addington. Mr Newman improving on his wild Westport days?. Why muck around three back on the fence ?? and get everyone spitting gravy for not having a go. Drive like you are Inspired by Gammalite (Never locked 3 back fence ever) and loop the field from last position like High Flying Harry (40-1 ) and Smiffy's Terror (even money) did at Addington tonight and take Luck out of the equation. Harry home by 4 lengths and was truly a 'flying' Harry tonight . well done KORBYN KORBYN !!!

Quite astonishing ! seemed the 'unruly' three didn't want to be anywhere near any other runners. Must be so they don't get too anxious being close to them ?? so were way back as the tapes released and almost out of contention as you say . (unless can trot 4-5 seconds quicker than leaders over that distance ) Standing starts are just such a bad betting medium anyway with the risk, but that takes the cake.

That would be at the beach Chief . At Great Western they had Fire Tornadoes !!! It even jumped across to the in-field. good grief. 40 degree heat today, some drove 4 hours from Melbourne to that , they had one race. And usually their pockets would get burnt , but today it's the cars in the car-park ! The endless frustrations racing delivers all the time, At the track , at the TAB , now in the car-park lol......

What rotten Luck , missed out on this beauty pie for dinner. Self Assured $1.40, Franco Indie $1.10, and Bollinger $1.20 were just so heavily backed that the prices were too short for me to afford it after their wins .