Brodie

Globe, you are in La La land if you seriously think that the harness industry is in good shape! Can you quote these trainers and drivers that think that the industry is in good heart! Watching racing and then the dividends come up with a win div. of $1.20 is not productive. You May call us naysayers, I call us realists! I can tell you that I have not come across a single owner or trainer that is thinking that harness racing is in good heart, and it is a constant struggle to make ends meet, for most! The Harness Jewels is a loss making venture for Harness Racing and the fact that it is being dominated by the one outfit is just a blatant turnoff. The fact that horses with one start and being unplaced can get a start is certainly showing that it is overrated now. I have always loved harness racing, don’t like Gallops or greyhounds nowadays. It is great that you have an interest in horses that can run a bit, and that is what we need to get more and more people into harness racing! Nigel and Brenda Armstrong founders of Westview Racing are doing more for racing than anyone else in Nz trying to get new people into the industry. The costs to buy into their syndicates is next to nothing and giving a lot of people a lot of enjoyment. We need far more of this invention or the industry is going to die, without doubt!

Of course!

I can dig as many holes as I like, as you haven’t answered the question!,

The reality is that the Jewels was a great idea. However it is now not worth the financial cost to the harness industry. It runs at a huge loss and the gloss has gone out of it, despite people trying to pump it up. We all know that the one stable is going to clean up and plunder all the major stakes! Yes the AllStars Owners Chuck a lot of money into the AllStars stables, but I am over seeing the camera beamed in on the said owners jumping up and down after they have won another big race. Puke material really, as it is so mundane. Yesterday has not done anything to suggest that owners will not continue to sell there horses overseas, as they know while the AllStars juggernaught continues, they are wasting there time.

The reality is that the best 12 horses aren’t the ones starting! There were many horses that were far better, didn’t actually get starts due to the qualification by earnings in the one season. There were many racing during the day that didn’t deserve to be lining up, but that is the system that the Jewels is working with. Auckland race for far larger stakes and so it doesn’t take a lot to qualify if many pull out. Far better racing at Addington over 1980m rather than mile racing anywhere! Not great for attracting new betting money when so many winners paid under $2 to win.

Don’t think the rain will affect the AllStars horses too much, as they just keep going, as they have a lot of worming paste onboard! Addington has such a great racing surface but it is still going to be pretty tiring for most horses. A real shame that weather is so crap for a harness racing big day, but conditions for the punters are going to be a helluva lot better at Addington than Ashburton. For those offloading with their hard earned, hope you have a good Day.

Bad batch of worming paste? I wonder how many other stables have also got this bad batch of worming paste? Classic, wouldn’t think that worms would be living in any of their horses!!!! How do they know it was the worming paste????

Love Addington racing, just not when fields are dominated by form., and shorties!

Yay, Iraklis has been let out for the week! He has to be on the payroll for the AllStars! Maybe he is the mad scientist!

Is that site that many of us used to post on, closing down? Harness Has not had a posting for well over a day!! Is Iraklis too excited to post about how excited he is with the Goooooooyaaaaaaaay yeeeeehaaaaaa etc, that he has overdone it? Think they are finished, by the look of it!

Will be a Benefit Day for the blue and silver! When the money is up!! A lot of blood spinning going on!

So pleased you didn’t include Tommy Tiddler!!!!

Agent54, you clearly haven’t got a clue! Where does the TAB show what the scratched horses were laying when scratched so that we can work out % deductions??? Thats right you can’t because you don’t show them!!! Yes can be worked out if you have that minor detail! How on earth does the punter know that what he has received being hundreds of dollars less than their ticket shows, is correct, or they are just meant to accept what is given to them???????!

Life is not always “Beer and Skittles” Life is what you make it Ranga! I am sure we all have regrets, and things we would like to change in life,mand or done things differently! What is pointless is when people come on here and spurt things out without engaging their brain! Nowornever needs to come back and advise us all how anyone can work out what a % deduction is going to be when the TAB do not advise what the fixed odds were!!!!!!!!

Nowornever, what a stupid comment!!, how on earth is anyone meant to work anything out if they have not been damn well given the figures to work anything out???? You need to engage your brain before you try to put “The Brodster “ down! How are we to know what the fixed odds were when the horse was scratched if it isn’t damn well advised by the TAB? Are we meant to be 24/7 watching the racing channels or computers????

Where on earth have I questioned the TAB’s honesty? What I am saying is that it should be advised what the % deductions are! Punters go to the exercise of putting their money on and expect to get what their fixed ticket states. However when there is a scratching they get a reduced amount, which is fair enough! However, they should also have access to know what the deduction is prior to collection!!!!! Does the TAB think that the punter should just accept what they are given without explaining how the reduced amount is calculated? When the reduced amount is hundreds of dollars to some punters, I beleive that they are entitled to know!!!!

Agent54, Thanks for your response. I appreciate under those circumstances, there will be variances! However, there is never any % deduction published even when there is a late deduction when a late scratching after the race start time! The TAB knows what the scratched horse was paying and therefore % should be notified alongside the late scratched horse. How is the punter to know what the scratched horse was paying at the time of scratching?

Harewood, no apologies needed! Still think that the TAB should be quite easily be able to state what % reductions are taken off! Have very occasionally heard the commentators state what the % deduction is when a horse is late scratched oncourse. Hopefully someone from the TAB picks up on their shortcomings, and have the intuition to be able to provide this to the punters. Don’t believe it is fair for the punter to turn up to collect what is on their fixed odds ticket, and then given a much reduced figure which has happened to me many times! If I invested the day before a racemeeting , I am not aware that a horse has been taken out of the field, whether it being a late scratching or a scratching after my investment! How on earth are we to check that the deduction % is correct if it is not publicised anywhere????

I gave up cross dressing years ago!!!

Ranga, you well know that Brodie is always on the money! I realise that it will be very hard for you to admit that, but thinking it to yourself is ok!

Harewood, I believe you are incorrect. With Fixed Odds, the deduction will be the % deduction as to what the scratched horse was paying when it was scratched and nothing at all to do with closing prices. Anyway, it should be declared prior to the race by the commentator and also be noted on the TAB results!

Harewood, think you are wrong. Fixed odds bets, they should be able to calculate the deduction at the time of the scratching! The Thing is that if you have an investment at 6.0 pm on the Thursday night for a Friday night meeting you get a certain fixed return on your ticket. After that time if anything is scratched apart from the emergencies the dividend gets reduced. If anything apart from the emergencies are scratched even before the late scratching time occurs the collect is normally reduced!!!! Half the time I wouldn’t be aware that there has been a scratching that has affected the return as zi am not sitting there looking at the fields and odds sorry. All I am asking is that they should be disclosing the % being deducted after fixed odds betting being opened?? Is this not possible? It may not be of any concern to the $2 e,w. Punters but to punters who invest at larger levels, it should be displayed. To turn up and not receive what is shown on your ticket, and just get given a far reduced amount, is not reasonable in this day and age. The TAB workers just pay out what the machine says and have no idea what the deduction is unless they look up on records, which is time consuming!

Harewood, where do you find this % reduction? Where on earth is it shown? You back something on a Thursday night, and your horse is placed! You go to collect and you get several hundred less than what your ticket says!, There was a horse scratched after you backed your horse, and they drop the odds, unbeknown to you! Where is it shown what % is deducted??

You are kidding aren’t you? All I ask is the % being taken off!! No need for your sarcastic tone of voice, is there???? When the horse is late scratched, are we meant to know what that horse was paying GONSTA???? The results never make any mention of it!!!!!!

Hopefully, someone from the TAB is reading and puts it to the bigwigs to get sorted! Surely someone will be able to get this sorted, as it is not fair turning up to collect, and you don’t get what your ticket tells you!!!!!!!