Reefton

The man has ridden 2300+ winners. The man said she wasn't handling it (not direct to me obviously as I wasn't there). The man with his vast experience sought out what he believed was the best of the ground to give her the best possible show (which he appeared to do quite well given she ran third). A succession of jockeys have reported after riding her on bad ground that she didn't like it and now you are telling me they are all wrong? Every single one of them? And that somehow out of being unbalanced and uncomfortable and giving the bloke or lady who was right there a bad feeling she was actually enjoying it??? You should get a job working for Donald Trump.

CWJ is the second most winning jockey in NZ and will soon be the winningest. If he says she didn't handle it I think I would believe him.

I don't live in Reefton I live in Greymouth(but am obviously the RJC President) but there is no point backing your nag just because it is a Group One. It costs a couple of grand to go in it and that is my punt and the stake is my return.

Wouldn't back her in the mud. Despite the reasonable wet track record she hates it(and apparently didn't handle it a yard today either). Early in her career she did it on class. $20k for third - I get a good chunk of stakemoney

You'd know. You seem to know everything

There are several in there who love the mud. Melody Belle and The BostonIan for instance. Not much hope for Consensus who does not like it one bit now but I suppose $200K G1 races are not every week.

Actually I have just looked up and it appears to me the NZTR contribution is probably more like 75% than 60% to these whopping great stakes.

The social welfare focus is a big issue all right. When these unfortunate people can, with a couple of kids, earn a family income of $70k plus and effectively pay no tax(due to working for families credits) it is hard to find ways to help them further. Now before people jump down my throat and say '$70k isn't much' I appreciate that but the point is how much money can we shove these people's way (and of course who is paying it?). Actually in some ways it is like the NZ racing Industry. I am not sure of the exact amounts NZTR puts into these big stake races(can't be bothered looking but no doubt someone will advise)but suspect at least 60%. So on Herbie Dyke day with a million on offer the industry has pumped say $600k in. Turnover $1.7m off and say $300k on (Bernard indicated he thought the off course was $1.7m at our meeting here yesterday but not sure of oncourse). So a 30% contribution. Say the Kumara Saturday meeting with a combined $1m turnover and an NZTR contribution of $120000 or 12%(still too much to be fair). Where does the NZ industry get better value? And how much more money can it afford to pump into these lame duck clubs? Bernard(who I actually think is a pretty decent bloke with a shit of job selling this BS) told us several times yesterday that the industry is broke and that courses had to close. He seemed to struggle with the concept that the huge money being poured into the KM night for instance was the drain pipe on the funds not the small clubs and industry days(well maybe the old song 'there is none so blind as he who will not see' comes to mind) But how much more money can we pour into these big stakes while we close down the 'unfashionable' clubs who are paying their way? And in similar fashion getting back to social welfare how much longer can small time businessmen(like me) who earn a modest living go on subsidising this massive payouts to people who, in many cases, appear to be not prepared to try to help themselves?

You would hardly call Woo-hoo accountants but as for the user friendly tax system that is a crock of shiite. Nothing but nothing is user friendly about tax and when you are self employed the tax compliance burden is a frigging nightmare. Don't believe the IRD advertising about automatic assessments either. You can guarantee there will be colossal cockups cos with government departments there always are.

Yes I wondered about that too. Maybe they are trying to sell him to an NZ stud and need some more G1 form? If he runs up to his best form he ought to have them in deep trouble you would think. Unless Opie carves him up early of course.

Re the CGT there will be ways around it. There always is but that is if you can afford the accountants and tax experts to sort it for you. Someone said the only ones who will get rich are Accountants and,despite the fact I am one myself, that makes me sick.

You're dead right. They should string the bastard up. Poor little horse.

Thanks. It is nice but tomorrow's field is a cut above the group 3's she has been able to beat in recent times. I reckon it is one of the better G1 fields in NZ for quite a while.

we're the only one out of danger then cos we are drawn outside him. Just follow him across the plan do you reckon? if he knocks em all over we might be set to pick up second money?

Also not sure the Marlborough Harness will welcome with open arms thoroughbreds looking to overnight before or after the ferry? Like the Reefton Trotting Club will not be putting out the welcome mat for the thoroughbreds when Omoto is under 3 metres of water and Kumara has no stabling. Or for the horses Omoto can't (or won't) provide stables for Still I don't suppose Bernard and Witless Win will be too concerned about those minor details.

Doesn't he know the difference between gallops and trots and that NZTR controls only gallops?

He would have been better off simply appointing that MAC as the interim board of the NZRB. I don't reckon he has a shit show of getting any money out of the government. He MUST get some action happening on this NZRB and it's wastage. If he does get money out of the government then it (1) will not be much and (2) will just be pissed up against the wall the way it always has been.

We all know this is the NZRB attitude and so does Winston. He has had the Messara report for six plus months. What has be done about it? Why the hell hasn't he interim appointed a chair(or even better an entire Board) who has skin it the game and a proven track record to kick some arse? After all we all know Glenda is a National Party lackey so what the hell loyalty has Winston to her? Our whole problem in this game starts with Board'swho have neither a liking for, any empathy for nor skin in the game. It is an effing joke and the only ones suffering are the small clubs being shafted(of course the industry as a whole has been suffering for years but I am talking about the Messara recommendations)

How many languages do I need to tell you in Thomass? (not sure of the one you wrote that in but I cant understand it) This is a forum and thread for intelligent people with something sensible and coherent to say. You are neither sensible, intelligent nor coherent so you do not qualify Please stop getting in the way

You are so right. I'm a national voter but Guy was the worst racing minister ever. I had a meeting with Maureen Pugh at the Reefton course at the A&P show two weekends back and told her exactly that. But as for Winston dumping Hughes (most urgently) and Allen well he has done bugger all so far. The Messara report has been out six months but other than NZTR threatening course closures there has been absolutely no action. As for DIA submissions why the hell did we bother?

see what I mean Thomass?

You see Thomass this is why I suggested you stop coming on this thread or trying enter into intelligent debate. You are only embarrassing yourself(even if you don't realise it). I am only trying to help.

Thomass you are out of your depth in any sensible discussion. Quit while you are behind

Don't think James or G Waterhouse trained a 2000 Guineas winner for them. So if you are saying they were all Te Akau trained then how come the racebook doesn't just say 'Te Akau Matamata'

That also raises the question of the misleading nature of the continual claims that 'Te Akau' has trained so many winners of a given race(often the 2000 Guineas) 'Te Akau' didn't train them - there were four different trainers involved weren't there(Walker, Bridgman, Autridge and Richards and now Richards alone). I guess it suits the advertising hype but it is blatantly incorrect.