mardigras

At least those punters that follow your 'theories' didn't need to know as they were backing the horse's the day before.

I love it that the guy that goes on ad infinitum about needing penetrometer readings across the entire track is now throwing out winners with prices as at the day before racing. Of course, the 'winners' are still all post race. Reinforcing the fraud status.

As barryb stated, you can't help Wally with what you are spinning. And the thread didn't ask for teachings, just selections. What you do is not form analysis. If you came up with #6 after the event, then stated the explanation was because it had blinkers on first time, then that is as useful as saying, I came up with #6 because I threw a dart at a dartboard and I hit #6. Perfect Thomass styled form analysis. There are no such theories like yours that can help since they don't affect the chance of a horse. The only thing you have ever contributed that may help is assessing the fitness of a horse. But even then, it is still subjective and up to Wally to decide that. Your theories have no associated performance value - more of a market anti value since many punters will think like you, creating potential value on other runners.

And here's another thread you can't keep on topic. You're so obsessed with trying to discredit others, you can't simply accept the good advice many have tried to give you.

So when I put up a screenshot of my Betfair account, that was pooing my pants. Interesting. I'm not sure if you realise this since you don't win overall, but on Betfair, I can get details of lifetime winnings on the account. Not some day here or there like you thought was proof. I've already put that up and am confident you saw it. Since it was commented on. Face it, you are a fraud.

Of course I am successful as a punter. I've proven it previously. So I still don't know what the proof is you are after. Proof that you are stupid perhaps? You get that proof by simply reading your theories on punting.

You keep asking for proof. Proof of what? You are tiresome. I have already put up proof that I win at punting long term. You seem to think that winning one day is proof of anything. It isn't.

I'm pretty sure I've already said I rarely bet on NZ races. So of course I haven't bet on those ones. Given I claim to profit continually from punting, it would be something resembling your level of stupidity to put horses up BEFORE the races that all lose. That's more your skill. Give us a break from your usual rantings post race. They just add to your fraud status.

Evidence of what?

Yep, and in a jurisdiction where you claim I don't understand the nuances, I have put up 11 horses, 9 of them starting at 10-1+. Two winners and winning starting prices of $33. And of the 7 in a row - at odds ranging from 11+ to 75, you think that compares to 8 at odds of 3 - 5 like yours. Clearly that means you don't know much about punting. Let's see 9 runners in NZ from you. And we'll see how you go. Before the event of course.

Weasel, I certainly remember his posts from the other site. Funnily enough he put up heaps of winners - all after the event about how good his methods were. I can't fathom why(maybe you can), but when he tried it before the event, he had 8 out of 8 all non-winners, all at low odds that certainly wouldn't find a place on the 10-1+ thread.

Either that or he is too busy with his puncture repair kit.

Love it. I expect it is pretty obvious to all reading your posts that you are a fraud. And every Monday you come back with more just reinforces that, so thanks for that. See you next Monday for your next edition.

He goes into hiding when people put selections up. And I would bet that he sits there hoping like hell they all lose so that he can come on here, put up his usual tripe and go on about how we all missed the obvious.

Good one Ghost at around $13

Under the NZ model, recreational punters are needed. But if the idea of a terminating pool through NZ TAB would work on Oz races, it should work on NZ races if they presented racing where punters felt the racing was conducive to betting. Fair track and application of the rules etc. As Ghost suggests, TABs are mostly for recreational punters, but they are also a large part of the revenue element of racing here and in Australia. So the industries need them. But if you took the level of betting in NZ through the TAB over the last decade+, NZ Racing is incapable of punter retention. They saw that years ago. And what did they do - nothing but attempt to make it more so.

Price just never really stacked up - going off at just over 4s.

The idea is no doubt worthwhile from the position of trying to engage punters - in light of the current model of NZ racing receiving all the revenue irrespective of where it is generated from. But I worry about these things from an industry perspective. It would further attract punters to betting on off-shore events. Whilst NZ racing currently enjoys all the fruits of betting wherever that event may take place, that may not always be the case. If there is a move by the government to strip revenue from non NZ racing away from NZ racing, those punters may well be lost to NZ racing - and the revenue may well be as well. In other countries where the operator has arrangements with the industry (like Australia), the revenue is not directly linked to the industry in this fashion. Many (me for one), question the rights of the NZ racing industry to income generated by way of betting that has little tangible relationship with NZ racing. I'd rather see such an initiative aimed at attracting punters to betting on NZ racing. Of course they have to fix up what they offer the punter here to be successful with that long term. But if we end up pushing all our punters to bet on non NZ racing and legislation changes to the point where the government takes all the revenue from non NZ racing and only gives the industry what it earns itself, we will have been the maker of our own destiny by giving our customers away to other areas.

I got a post race winner for Thomass. Worthless now, but it will trump his Magnaminous Man I think. This winner started at SP $90.

Well done to you and Weasel with that one. But let's not forget, we still have to hear from Thomass on Monday with a selection of winners.

Yeah - no doubt!

I think Josephine Sea could go well also.

From an over 10-1 perspective, I like these, although the last one may be shorter than that, at around 9s currently represents good value to me. Awapuni R4 #8 Just You Roma R2 #8 Edenannie Mildura R5 #8 Flying Spark Townsville R6 #4 Lokitin Caulfield R8 #9 El Phoenix Gowran Park 14:30 (R3) #6 Nivvo Salisbury 18:45 (R4) #4 Three Little Birds

I thought the only deflationary thing around here was Thomass' princess!

Of course it is to do with punting. The view of two or three people compared to what actually happened with the 80 other horses racing on the day. I know who I'd believe and I was there to witness it. Why don't you take Weasel's advice and stick to the thread topic instead of making out you actually know anything when this thread shows you don't. Put up or shut up - before the race. You're all talk and it's all bull.