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Interesting stuff Rowley. Thanks for taking the trouble to post. Need more threads and posts on this breeding forum .... Best of luck with yours! J.

Hi Rowley - Prom Queen well above average in my book! Are you hands on with your horses? - if so - how do you find their temperaments? I have heard SE is pretty hot eg. when parading - but there could have been reasons at the time for this and some quiet horses throw hot-heads and vice versa - so from a distance it's hard to judge ... He looks a very muscular type from his pictures and wonder if this tends to come through in his foals ... Kind rgds, J

Do you have any conncetion with the stallion or the stud Rowley?

With this sort of response the industry is playing into the hands of those who want whips - and racing - banned.

Who does that leave using Otaki as a training base these days?

I'm not arguing the point one way or the other Thomass - merely observing. In fact back in the day - I heard that another jockey remounted someone else's fallen runner and finished the course! When did the rule change?

Interesting as I'm sure I've previously seen jockeys remount their horses after falls (albeit not that dramatic/outstanding) in order to weigh in and claim some of the spoils - never seen vets 'n' docs scamper onto the track in the midst of it all to give them the green light .... Perhaps that's what A Kuru's quick word with the clerk of the course was about? - maybe the clerk's a particularly erudite and well qualified man and gave the all-clear for man and beast to continue .... ?

Heard T Lee's call on radio - had to then go watch on TV - the call was no exaggeration - incredible effort by Aaron Kuru. Also fabulous, gutsy effort by the horse to pick itself up and still get up to win. (would love to know what Aaron said to the clerk of the course after he got back on and galloped off ... ?)

Greetings Hedley and Kakama ....yes indeed! Don't have any that I've bred racing there but have connections with one further south this week so wish us luck ... Yep quite wet many places for June ... it can be quite a dry month some years but not 2018 it seems ... All the best, J

In 2017 I received it on today's date - 12 June. A big moment - albeit it's all online these days. Almost feel like taking a day's leave to study the options .... ? Awaiting with anticipation. Any sign of it yet around the motu? J.

Hi `yarners - been busy with the nose to the grindstone (to support the ponies - who are with child you know ?) - so didn't see the timing of the announcement. But hopefully in good time so at least people didn't have to travel their horses only to cop a wash-out - something to be a little thankful for at least. Best of luck to all for the reserve date. J.

Do you people really expect the lad to learn humility or grace from "big red" ?

Nice link Chief ... always brings a smile to my face seeing a well horse just having fun being a well horse .. let alone the champ .. (mine much the same albeit they're not champs, have foal-bellies and the ground a bit more damp underfoot ... ? ) Cheers, J

HEDLEY!!! Just spotted you on here Squire - a warm welcome to you on a cold winter's night. Three cheers for your esteemed presence. It's always been a pleasure Sir ... ? Jess

Suzie the waitress shouted morning tea for the stable as a farewell gift before she returned to Sth Africa ... musta been some bad juice in it ... ?

Why haven't they Thomarss? The question should be - why would they? Why did he? Why would anyone? ?

Generally more confidence in their industry over there part of it no doubt ...

Anyone know how Lisa C is faring these days?

This is a very interesting point Freda. You might assume as much testing as possible would be undertaken in an effort to have as clean & safe a sport/industry as possible. Most people know - the more effort you put into testing/detecting/investigating - the more you will catch (in the initial stages at least, before the message/consequences hit home). But it could also be a case of be careful what you wish for. I know of a Police officer who was expert at apprehending drink drivers. Nothing sneaky or underhand - all standard stuff - just dedicated to road safety and seemed to have a real knack for catching them. I thought the officer's bosses would be delighted - but in fact there was some talk the officer, by prosecuting all these drivers, was making the campaign to reduce drink driving look ineffective. Soon after the officer was moved to other duties. So I am left wondering as far as drugs in racing - just how effective do they want to be in detecting drug use by the participants - and could they handle the outcome if they went hard-out?? J.

They might be a bit of a disparate bunch but all have (presumably) their licence issued by NZTR so I don't think that needs to be an impediment Boxie. There is an ability to educate via that central role. Yep I get the obvious "attractions" of the drug - the mistake many make is thinking they can use it to aid/control various things (their weight/energy levels/pleasure) - and thattheycan control their use of it. But in many cases it ends up controlling them. People become desperate to feed their addiction. People who will do almost anything to secure the drug. It doesn't take much imagination to understand that this too, represents another whole level of risk in the context of the racing industry and its integrity.

This partiocular drug is one which seems to span all tiers of society. I believe it is significantly represented amongst the racing fraternity to an extent at least equal to or possibly greater than average in the community (and don't be fooled into believing it's just the stablehands and track-riders folks ....) I agree CC - it adds a real and avoidable risk factor to an inherently risky business (incl handling, preparing & riding TBs on a track at speed). There are general arguments as to whether it should be treated criminally or medically (a la - poor things - they're addicted, we must help them). Amid all the hand-wringing I am disappointed there is not more emphasis on educating people - esp our younger ones - on the risks of trying this drug even once. It is highly addictive. People need to understand what they are buying into when they make that first call - it's quite likely they will not be deciding what they do that one day/night - they might be signing on to become a slave to the pipe for years - and all the misery that goes with it. The other fact is that there is not the capacity currently to "treat" all the P-addicted people if they sought or were directed to get help. The RIU must continue their efforts. And hopefully as well as detection they are investing in education as well.

... but I daresay not as tasty should you happen to face-plant into it Hesi ...

Shame. How's Trentham looking?

RC been hvng an excellent run of late. Good on him too. Dunno what his secret is but it's nit the purchase of half million dollar yearlings ... so i find it all the more appealing ?

Haven't looked at the proposal carefully enough Flash ... but the likes of say Te Akau have their fingers in breeding pies so I reckon they'd find a way to gain advantage from it ... and possibly other syndicators too ... As I say - I don't know the details but on the face of it I only see the big fish getting bigger and the small `uns shrinking still further ... Happy to be corrected if someone else has a better understanding ... And as I say - playing devil's advocate - maybe the likes of my participation (breed one or two a year; race progeny etc) is so irrelevant to the industry that it makes no fiscal sense to ease our passage and industry/political efforts are better placed solely to support the big players ...