jess

Best post from you ever Tomtom.

This rubbish exchange belongs on the other channel. Either that or sling mud at one another to your hearts' content via private message. I sense the chief is trying not to be heavy-handed but i think he's over it too. C'mon guys. We're better than this ... J.

Did anyone notice the commentary for the race - adn in particular - the ride on Jackfrost?

If some of these jocks are having trouble with adrenaline and the whip rules - let alone horsemanship - perhaps it's time for another option for addressing these transgressions. Maybe in addition to options of fines and suspensions there should be a kilometre or so running at full pace with a jolly good thrashing with a whip over the last 100m. Youmaythink it's unorthodox but I reckon it would be a great deterrent .... J.

Don'tcha love it? A mare with a sound if unspectacular race record - but the owners (and breeders of the mare in the first place from what I can see) have kept the faith and bred - and she is producing winners. Well spotted the mustelid (?) - and all teh very best to the owners of the mare and her progeny. All power to you folks. J.

Yep thanks Chief. Enjoying things here. It can be a fine line between free speech and people being pains in the ... buttocks, serial pests and ruining it for the majority. But so far so good and the moderation seems to have been done with a light hand and no favoritism. C'mon out Chief - take a bow and accept the accolades - if you don't post on this thread I'll be worried the men in suits that you were threatened with have finally turned up and dealt to you ? All the best. J.

Yeah Thomass. That'll be it. An incompetent female. Just a suggestion - there's another site where misogynist gits fit right in and feel much more at home than BOAY ...

It's that time of year again. Looking forward to photos/videos/opinions from `yarners who attend these.

Well done by connections and A Kuru. Seems from those accounts they dealt with the situation as best they could. Hopefully the horse has taken no additional harm from starting. J.

Points well made Curious. I still get the feeling here that full and honest disclosure may not have occurred and that will always leave a bad taste in someone's mouth.

And the apparent claim that the issue had been (veterinary) checked but then not so much .... ? What's that in terms of your yr car analogy? A claim of a WOF freshly obtained that didnt actually exist?

Freda can correct me if I'm wrong but the way I read it is that the "issue" was noticed right away but when reassured (misled?) by the vendor, the new owners carried on with the horse. Hence the delay to which you scathingly refer.

You connected to the vendor A?

Always plenty of parasites about. If I am the horse's owner - I have no issue with the 10% to the trainer. As for the buyer's agent - I don't feel like I owe him a dime. I knew a fella who sold a few he owned. Each time he simply said to his trainer re prospective sales - I want $xxxx in my account or else we carry on as we are - I own it - and I pay you to train it - and it stays on the property (his or the trainer's). He was always very happy with that arrangement and whatever was paid for the horse, or whatever the trainer clipped from the ticket - he didn't concern himself over. There was no angst, bargaining, complications or drama for him - the money landed in his bank account - or it didn't. He was content either way. J.

This is really regrettable. And I feel sorry for the purchasers - and despite caveat emptor prevailing to a certain extent - it appears on the face of it, the purchasers have been misled - firstly in the nature of the advertisement which it appears was for a sound horse with potential for more success. And secondly since discussions about the issue have ensued - in regard to the inspection/(non-existent) veterinary report. I am surprised at the vendor if s/he is not new to the game that s/he is not more invested in putting things right here - and ultimately maintaing their own good name. I note the reference Freda makes to a "vendor's agent" - and I wonder if this is where the waters have been muddied. Who knew what? Who was making the claims/wrote the ad/knew the horse? Nevertheless - the vendor must surely take ultimate responsibility for the transaction and any representations made. Their integrity is at stake. I wonder what the online service has to say in regard to the deal - they also have a reputation to protect and this will not be helpful in respect of purchasers having confidence in that outfit's vendors. I don't know if there is any online TB auction online other than Gavelhouse so while Freda hasn't named any names - I can't see an alternative unless the horse was purchased on Trademe or on the Aussie based Bloodstock one (plse feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) . Which brings me to reputation. Trademe has a system for feedback on buyers/vendors. With this sort of nonsense - maybe these TB online auctions should too. Freda if you are in touch with the purchasers plse encourage them to seek redress and have the matter sorted out. Perhaps a meeting between the purchasers, vendor and agent is in order? Nothing like a cup of tea and a korero - face to face. Would be nice to sort it that way rather than Plan B - formal action, costs and exposure for dishonest conduct. Perhaps as things are they have a window of opportunity to make good and save face by putting it down to a miscommunication .... Freda - you have been very circumspect in what you have said on this thread but these things always get out in the end .... All the best. I hope you can keep us informed. Best regards, Jess

Vendor not sounding very forthright - or, frankly, honest at this point. Are you able to say Freda whether the sale is a one-off type situation from a small player or a vendor who more regularly trades? (rest assured - not trying to idenitfy anyone here - just wanting to know whether horses are the vendor's business or it's more a case of someone who is wet behind the ears /new to buying or selling horses....) J.

BarryB - I think you had more good ideas there than I've heard from anywhere "official" inteh last 12mo ... J.

Agree Chestnut. Butin saying that we can all probably name stallions - past and current- who have a (justified) reputation for tending to throw tough customers as far as their progeny ....

Hi Folks Got the thinking cap on for stallions this year ... I am interested in anyone's experience (good/bad/indifferent) with sending mares to Rich Hill - please post of PM if this is more appropriate. Also interested in what experience anyone might have with progeny of Shocking or Jimmy Choux. Thanks in advance. Jess

Sounds like a typical sentencing day in district court to me. Firm reprimands in fancy words - frantic finger-wagging - final final FINAL (this time I really mean it) warnings - and at the end of it - for the bit that really counts (the defendants pretty well sleep through the wahhhing until the business end of proceedings ....) - a thorough slapping with the traditional wet bus ticket. That'll teach `im alright ... won't do THAT ever again ....

Interesting stuff Rowley. Thanks for taking the trouble to post. Need more threads and posts on this breeding forum .... Best of luck with yours! J.

Hi Rowley - Prom Queen well above average in my book! Are you hands on with your horses? - if so - how do you find their temperaments? I have heard SE is pretty hot eg. when parading - but there could have been reasons at the time for this and some quiet horses throw hot-heads and vice versa - so from a distance it's hard to judge ... He looks a very muscular type from his pictures and wonder if this tends to come through in his foals ... Kind rgds, J

Do you have any conncetion with the stallion or the stud Rowley?

With this sort of response the industry is playing into the hands of those who want whips - and racing - banned.

Who does that leave using Otaki as a training base these days?