Newmarket Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Well… Micky Mouse loves posting on FB…. Think he is pretty happy with the $10k payout. He forgets his other posts recently, Bet On Red😆😆. Not recently, stable been struggling recently, a 2nd placing only for the 2 day meetings on coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Great ole horse just keeps on giving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 (edited) He certainly is a wonderful horse and one of the best examples of how clever michael house is. In his last 15 starts hes had 5 wins,5 2nds,2 3rds and 2 4ths. Hes only missed a place once. Hes earned roughly $53,000 plus that $10,000 bonus in just the last 4 1/2 months. Hes still a rated 53 horse. When you compare that to say a horse like grettymac who is running at addington on friday. Its rated 2 points higher than boyz invasion from its 2 wins from 7 starts. Edited March 12 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 13/03/2024 at 11:24 AM, the galah said: He certainly is a wonderful horse and one of the best examples of how clever michael house is. In his last 15 starts hes had 5 wins,5 2nds,2 3rds and 2 4ths. Hes only missed a place once. Hes earned roughly $53,000 plus that $10,000 bonus in just the last 4 1/2 months. Hes still a rated 53 horse. When you compare that to say a horse like grettymac who is running at addington on friday. Its rated 2 points higher than boyz invasion from its 2 wins from 7 starts. You'd have to add sods law to the list, another great ole preformer who keeps on giving, those types are hard to find. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Shad said: You'd have to add sods law to the list, another great ole preformer who keeps on giving, those types are hard to find. There is a reason for the winning form! Wonder if the change of driver has something to do with it? There are many horses that would turn their form around if they had a change of driver! Edited March 17 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Agree maybe a factor, obviously gets on well with her current driver, mind you the ratings keep them in the game long term, but he seems to have comeback very strong this campaign, just like his old stablemates mogul, great bread n butter horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 (edited) 11 hours ago, Brodie said: There is a reason for the winning form! Wonder if the change of driver has something to do with it? There are many horses that would turn their form around if they had a change of driver! I've learnt from betting over the years that its what happens from the point in a race where a horse gets tired that impacts whether it will back up with a similar run next week.Its a variable when it comes to punting where you are sort of guessing. In other words,if its run out of energy reserves with 200m to go and its still driven hard to the finish,then you can never really tell how it will back up the following week.Thats why the very small % of people who use performance enhancers,gain an unfair advantage over the others. So you have a different approach from a driver who may train or own their horse and is driving,to a driver who is a professional who is out there to achieve the best result on each day. On one hand the professional driver will make tactical decisions to try and ensure the best placing possible even when its a stretch for the horses ability,thinking about how to obtain the best result today,whereas with the trainer or owner driving ,they try to take the opportunities on the day but also place greater emphasis on the long term welfare,racing wise, of the horse and are often more conservative,especially when its obvious theres no money in it. Having said that,all horses have differing levels of will to win,but ive always believed they that natural instinct and just like us gain self confidencwe and sense of achievment from performing well. So what i'm saying is,your right in what you say and from the point of view of the punter that is what the focus is,but i'm also saying,as i think you know,that drivers like geddes play the long game and get greater long term financial rewards by doing so,therefore its to their advantage to do most of the driving. Edited March 17 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 5 hours ago, the galah said: I've learnt from betting over the years that its what happens from the point in a race where a horse gets tired that impacts whether it will back up with a similar run next week.Its a variable when it comes to punting where you are sort of guessing. In other words,if its run out of energy reserves with 200m to go and its still driven hard to the finish,then you can never really tell how it will back up the following week.Thats why the very small % of people who use performance enhancers,gain an unfair advantage over the others. So you have a different approach from a driver who may train or own their horse and is driving,to a driver who is a professional who is out there to achieve the best result on each day. On one hand the professional driver will make tactical decisions to try and ensure the best placing possible even when its a stretch for the horses ability,thinking about how to obtain the best result today,whereas with the trainer or owner driving ,they try to take the opportunities on the day but also place greater emphasis on the long term welfare,racing wise, of the horse and are often more conservative,especially when its obvious theres no money in it. Having said that,all horses have differing levels of will to win,but ive always believed they that natural instinct and just like us gain self confidencwe and sense of achievment from performing well. So what i'm saying is,your right in what you say and from the point of view of the punter that is what the focus is,but i'm also saying,as i think you know,that drivers like geddes play the long game and get greater long term financial rewards by doing so,therefore its to their advantage to do most of the driving. Sods Law originally was a grass tracker and couldnt win on the all weather tracks! The horse always had ability but was more often than not driven less than averagely, as I supported it on many occasions. Had some good collects but also had some good losses due to the way it was driven. Sods Law is clearly in a great vein of form and this has been due to the sudden change of driver and the way it is being driven! The Geddes’s are apparently nice down to earth people and have been in the harness racing game for many decades, and great to see them with success. We do actually need the part time trainers in the industry to keep it going, and most do it for the fun of it rather than the money! What I do know is if the trainer jumps back in the cart, the winning will stop! Edited March 18 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 6 hours ago, the galah said: Thats why the very small % of people who use performance enhancers,gain an unfair advantage over the others. Obviously legal performance enhancers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 (edited) 6 hours ago, Brodie said: Sods Law originally was a grass tracker and couldnt win on the all weather tracks! The horse always had ability but was more often than not driven less than averagely, as I supported it on many occasions. Had some good collects but also had some good losses due to the way it was driven. Sods Law is clearly in a great vein of form and this has been due to the sudden change of driver and the way it is being driven! The Geddes’s are apparently nice down to earth people and have been in the harness racing game for many decades, and great to see them with success. We do actually need the part time trainers in the industry to keep it going, and most do it for the fun of it rather than the money! What I do know is if the trainer jumps back in the cart, the winning will stop! Personally i don't believe its a given that horses always perform better when driven by a top driver,than a trainer/driver like geddes. I read an article on hrnz where Geddes said hes won 9 races on sods law. You don't win that many races unless your horse runs for you. I'm certainly not saying geddes has as much natural abilty as the top drivers,but i am saying sods law has been able to maximise his earning potential through a combination of geddes driving and the professionals like tomlinson driving. I think its just a mindset that people like punters have. That is they see a more successful driver or a professional driver and say,hey if only the professional drove it all the time it would win more. I don't see it that way myself. I know from personal experience we used to have a horse that people would say to us,if only you had used a professional all the time you would have won more races. Well my reply was always,you may think that,but if you looked at our horses record you would see i won more races driving than a very good professional who also drove him,and i only had half the number of drives. I know sometimes the professional driver was driving in races where the stakes were higher,,but our horse always gave 100% when i drove and raced against similar horses. So at the end of the day,people who can make a living from driving are obviously very naturally talented,whoever they may be,but that doesn't always necessarily mean they will get better results. Edited March 18 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, the galah said: Personally i don't believe its a given that horses always perform better when driven by a top driver,than a trainer/driver like geddes. I read an article on hrnz where Geddes said hes won 9 races on sods law. You don't win that many races unless your horse runs for you. plenty of owners have driven their trotters over the years. Wonder if you remember trotter Dragon's Pride. He was a handy young horse by Game pride that in the South Island won quite a few as a 3 year old . Bought for Big Money by top Auckland Committee man Noel Taylor , and the Prime Minister Sir Robert 'piggy' Muldoon !! National party he was from memory and PM for a lot of years. they put the horse with Roy and Barry Purdon and it wouldn't fire a shot 🫤. a Huge surprise. So Noel took it on himself , and drove it, and trotted to some good results and then 2nd in the Rowe Cup to Basil Dean I think, where he had started using Wolfie, then Tom Knowles, and Tony Herlihy, Jim Cole, even Graeme Harris had a crack (Harris still racing horses here in Brissy) and they got a few good results here and there. *Was funny at the time as virtually no-one improved anything on Roy .. but Dragon's Pride did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Wasnt necessarily questioning Geddes’s ability to be out on the track driving! He is not a nil driver, he obviously enjoys being out there and we still need the owner/ trainers in the industry big time! Had Sods Law been driven by a pro during its career it possibly may have been retired earlier? The current system allows horses to win a lot if races if it has a lot of starts, and many are doing this. Not putting Mr Geddes down, but he would be getting outside drives if owners thought he could do the job! Anyway, great to see stalwarts get good results. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) On 3/18/2024 at 6:27 PM, the galah said: Personally i don't believe its a given that horses always perform better when driven by a top driver,than a trainer/driver like geddes. I read an article on hrnz where Geddes said hes won 9 races on sods law. You don't win that many races unless your horse runs for you. Speaking of the owner/trainer/driver of Trotters taking on the professional drivers. The 3 of them in race 2 at Addington tonight nearly ran the TRIFECTA against all the Pro's.🏆 Ross Houghton (1st) , Alan Clark (3rd) and Murray Howard (4th) all doing a great job in the big field of trotters with only Tim Williams on the favourite 'Father Time' getting amongst them. thought the First4 paying under $2000 was a bit smallish ... Edited March 20 by Gammalite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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