the galah Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Yes I just put the field on the 'We're Low on Cup horses ' thread just now and saw that ? It was appalling. I think Victoria is in Financial strife in harness racing and has slashed the prizemoney . The Dullard Cup for trotters used to be a biggy and was only 30k last week 🙄. winner Keayang Chucky a danger for Oscar B this-coming weekend in the Great Southern Star. He only got $17k first prize in a group Cup race last Sat 😫. Tristan Larsen would of got a few Weeks off for Christmas mate. so glad he went home to see family. Tristan ran last in the Wedderburn Trotters Cup last Sunday, but won another trot straight after with JOHN's BOY from Southland. You might know of it ? 2 out of 2 in Oz now, for Tristan and Trainer Brent and still owned by his kiwi owners it seems . Hope they go on and get plenty more !! 🏆👍 (it's NZ form very average last year but imagine it had to take on Bucketloads of Williamson's in trots All the time ? 🤣 ) Johns boy used to be trained by a southland trainer.L veint and from memory kirk larsen used to drive him in his early days. K larsen recently has been driving a trotter,xerion for veint and its won a couple but it seems to have lost its confidence after jumping quickly in the ratings ,like they do over here if they win early in their career. L veint about a decade ago had a really promising pacer,it looked very good,but from memory it had some unfortunate accident or illness and tragically died. Johns boy was a horse that i always followed and was always consistent,reliable and gave his best and his trainer always seemed to have him ready to race.i wondered where he got to. Unfortunately,he was one of those horses that had got too high in the ratings and was at a point where he had to be run for 3 months each week to get back in a grade where he could win again. Doing that to a horse like johns boy, who tries so hard was just going to break his will, and i think they have done a good thing by the horse to send him out of southland and to aussie. Hopefully he can stay healthy and race for another few years and then they find him a nice home when he retires. johns boy was by simon roydon,one of roy mckenzies bred stallions,and would have been the last by that sire to race in nz. Edited January 28 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) On 16/12/2023 at 9:38 AM, Brodie said: Auckland harness is just plain boring and aint getting any better. The punters are leaving, they got no new trainers and next to nonJuniors so no Junior races! I think the north island has really missed a trick not appointing Peter Lamb as their starter. This single move would help with both the above issues Brodie mentions. Edited January 29 by Tonkatime! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 27/01/2025 at 9:56 PM, mikeynz said: Trouble with TAB4EVER is he can't see beyond the Bombay hills, unfortunately like most living in Auckland they are actually looking from the wrong side lol I'm no fan of Auckland, it is actually in many ways disconnected to what's happening in the rest of the country, with the population diversity creating into that place it's becoming further and further from the NZ that used to be, most of the population there don't give two hoots about Horse racing, Rugby and the likes, while rural NZ still maintain those traditions.. Auckland always strikes me as trying to keep up with other cities like Melbourne or Sydney but they can't even get their shit sorted out lol, it sees itself as the powerbase of NZ but in reality rural NZ is the backbone of NZ, John Key did say where Fonterra goes NZ goes, so true. Ellerslie have this great big raceday but how many people actually attended? Stuff all for the size of the place. Alexandra Park must be one he'll of a lonely place most nights, and despite the fact no one gives a shit no more Harness Racing NZ are obsessed with pouring good funds just to keep them going which are disproportionate to what they are earning, Auckland has a sense of entitlement that the country owes them, the rest of the country would be fine without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Ronaldo said: Fair enough about Auckland, so you don't need them. But God forbid there was ever another quake as by far the outside city donating the most aid money was..... Auckland .In all probability they don't need you anymore than you need them. Can still remember the news reports of how many moved up to Auckland after the quake until things settled down again . Guess Auckland was needed then..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Close Auckland down we need more country grass track racing .racing at kumara would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 5/02/2025 at 7:54 AM, paleface adios said: Close Auckland down we need more country grass track racing .racing at kumara would be great Spotswood under used? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: Spotswood under used? Hurunui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, paleface adios said: Hurunui Camped this side of bridge on school trip back in the day. Walked past the track and the haunted pub. Edited February 8 by Rangatira 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Is the guy on the left with the red star @Brodie? Or @Gammalite on a comeback? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Is the guy on the left with the red star @Brodie? Or @Gammalite on a comeback? No whip ? therefore must be Brodster 🤣 where's Ranga? out the back already in the score-up ? Gamma seen here in action , ( can't find the track lol , but pull the whip anyway 😁) 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Is the guy on the left with the red star @Brodie? Or @Gammalite on a comeback? I'm thinking too young to be Dear Old Brodster. Do horses shink (in height) as they mature. If so that might be Kindergarten, NZ Welcome & Southern Supremacy Stakes winner Corumba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, Gammalite said: where's Ranga? out the back already in the score-up ? out the back trading equalisator tickets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 The brodster only drives from grandstand now day with his long reins 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: I'm thinking too young to be Dear Old Brodster. Do horses shink (in height) as they mature. If so that might be Kindergarten, NZ Welcome & Southern Supremacy Stakes winner Corumba Lol Brodie not so old and would be carrying a whip! Edited February 9 by Brodie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 56 minutes ago, paleface adios said: The brodster only drives from grandstand now day with his long reins Banjo on the money re riders in the stand. There's some that ride the Robbo style, and bump at every stride; While others sit a long way back, to get a longer ride. There's some that ride as sailors do, with legs, and arms, and teeth; And some that ride the horse's neck, and some ride underneath. But all the finest horsemen out -- the men to Beat the Band -- You'll find amongst the crowd that ride their races in the Stand. They'll say "He had the race in hand, and lost it in the straight." They'll know how Godby came too soon, and Barden came too late They'll say Chevalley lost his nerve, and Regan lost his head; They'll tell how one was "livened up" and something else was "dead" -- In fact, the race was never run on sea, or sky, or land, But what you'd get it better done by riders in the Stand. The rule holds good in everything in life's uncertain fight; You'll find the winner can't go wrong, the loser can't go right. You ride a slashing race, and lose -- by one and all you're banned! Ride like a bag of flour, and win -- they'll cheer you in the Stand 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Lol Brodie not so old and would be carrying a whip! Heard ya get ya stick out a bit lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, paleface adios said: Heard ya get ya stick out a bit lol Its a family show, dont get my stick out as much nowadays! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Its a family show, dont get my stick out as much nowadays! I always knew your were related to Iraklis. You two make similar comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 15 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: I always knew your were related to Iraklis. You two make similar comments. That is very unfair, Tonka! Brodie was just defending himself against Paleface’ s statement? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 20 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: I always knew your were related to Iraklis. You two make similar comments. Half brother's or full brother's wonder if there's a pedigree or any black type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, paleface adios said: Half brother's or full brother's wonder if there's a pedigree or any black type Full Brothers without a doubt I think between the pair of them they have a record similar to that of Kelly Evander. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 1/28/2025 at 7:12 PM, Gammalite said: I see young Tristan Larsen (from Southland) is still with ex-pat Brent Lilley in Victoria . Gets about a winner a week and still learning well. Hope he returns to Southland to boost them this year. Brent and excellent trainer of trotters. Ben Hope spent a few weeks there too a year or so ago. Did it help ? 😉 Spot on Mikey!!!!. The older Open class horses need a start every week or 2nd week. and should race at nearly twice the prizemoney of the mid-class races to have people keen to get to that OPEN class , to have a go at it. I just had a look at the Franklin Cup from last month. The first 3 home are just normal nice horses that can only get about 12 starts a year , with the programming available. ?? that's just BS . Miki Shan won the race (just his 7th career win ) and The Big Lebowski and Jolimont filled the placings at about 8 career wins each (that never even used to be Open Class ) very nice progressive horses with Jolimont winning a Golden Gait and a good 7 of his 14 starts last year. But where are the races for them now ? They could become horses people relate to, just as you say. They ALL beat Better Eclipse in that race, who is an Auckland Cup winner and has won over $1,000,000. we need races for these fine horses!!! , and a few more will join in and earn some cash , like Kango and that. In Brissie an old Auckland FFer from racing AKLD in 2018 is still winning these days, and Northview Hustler WON 10 races last year (with another old beautiful kiwi boy Turn It Up finally not winning anymore , after winning 10 per year himself) Open races put on for them all the time . It's what keeps the game going . Hi Gamma, Just caught up with the gist of your conversations....quite a few NZ horses still partly owned by Kiwis and racing regularly in Aussie ! Triple Eight ,who won recently was partly sold to Aussie a few years back. Cash N Flow won a power of races ,he was seen as an eftpos card. Those intermediate races [ below Cup class ] are tough to win in NZ so rather than be chicken fodder for Merlin ,Copy That etc Kiwis take the money and run . Aussies and Americans still love our tried horses, the phones still ringing but better stakes nowdays seem to be reducing exports of tried horses. The offers were often too good to turn down. Talk is easy...Oh lets get and retain those horses just below cup class...not easy to do...Laver tried it for a while , and thankfully the owners of Kango etc have stuck around. Look how few races a good horse like Sooner The Bettor has won ! Many folk don't like stand starts but its really the best way of handicapping when so few horses in some rating bands. If Owners see them in against Merlin etc ,they won't race.....many races weren't being run cos 5 or less noms ,same with 2 and 3 year old races. Owners ,and I one were getting pissed off and when the overall average of stakes paid to cost was 25% , what was the point of owning. This past year the bonus's often for 2 yr olds .and small fields still being run to try and give owners some hope ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Look how few races a good horse like Sooner The Bettor has won ! Many folk don't like stand starts but its really the best way of handicapping when so few horses in some rating bands. If Owners see them in against Merlin etc ,they won't race. yes it wasn't that long ago that double NZ Cup winner COPY THAT had to start off those long handicaps at AKLD like 50m and that against loose class horses. He would still win as is a Cup horse and they (opponents like Hey Bartender, etc) weren't even open class really .(off the front) and imagine Merlin has the same impact these days. Sooner The Better = 2nd to Leap To Fame in the last Miracle Mile so is an outstanding horse. but only won 3 races last year/season as a 4 yearold , and 3 races as a 3 year old prior. You would think he could win more than 6 races in 2 years ??? , but there's just not enough races for him to start in ? The Falcon , was getting zero in NZ last year , But since November has 4 wins from 5 starts in FFA's at Menangle ,including a huge win last night. and picked up over $50,000 already in a tickle over 2 months. you need races for these horses . Cash N Flow a great example you mentioned that NZ owners sent over and he had a stack of wins for them. Don't Stop Dreaming is a beauty and capatilised on All the great races a young horse ( 2 and/or 3 yearold ) can race in in New Zealand. But at open class last year as a 4 yearold won just One race in NZ for the whole year/season ?? his great 2nd place where almost won the NZ Cup in Nov, picked up $150k to push him past the $1Million Mark which was nice. But just to see the Best in the country Win Just One race in what should be his Peak year, seems a bit weird. ??? shows how tough that company is . maybe more trainers should set up overseas? (like Te Akau are doing racing) , to have more races to choose from. Nathan Purdon did successfully for a bit winning Group 1's with Amazing Dream and Amore Vita for her NZ owners won a stack. Nathan had to go back to train ALLstars though , with Mark and Natalie retiring or semi retiring and HaydenC doing his own now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 10 hours ago, Tonkatime! said: Full Brothers without a doubt I think between the pair of them they have a record similar to that of Kelly Evander. I am nothing like Iraklis! If I was the white coaters would have picked me up before now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 18 hours ago, paleface adios said: Half brother's or full brother's wonder if there's a pedigree or any black type pedigree goes back to the 7th dam without filling the page and no bold however The Brodster bold as they come 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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