Stipesboy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Hows everyone's injuries going I seem to be picking a few more up than normal but I guess it's summer stipes only worry about if they get paid and the big guys that run the industry not about the little guys and what they have done to promote the industry they only worry about themselves but I guess 20 years in the industry so nothing changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Tuned in for the last at Addington today and noticed 25% of the field seriously broke down, hocks?. Stipes report will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 A minimum of 7.4% of the greyhounds that raced were injured during their race on Sunday in Auckland. 7 post-race injuries required a stand-down out of a total of the 94 individual starters. No-one knows how many more injuries showed up after cooling-down or overnight. https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15750/stewards-report.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 20 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: A minimum of 7.4% of the greyhounds that raced were injured during their race on Sunday in Auckland. 7 post-race injuries required a stand-down out of a total of the 94 individual starters. No-one knows how many more injuries showed up after cooling-down or overnight. https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15750/stewards-report.aspx So ban Greyhound Racing? How many of those injuries were serious Chazza? Are you making the Stipes gun shy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So ban Greyhound Racing? How many of those injuries were serious Chazza? Are you making the Stipes gun shy? Only stated facts Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Yankiwi said: Only stated facts Chief. In a selective fashion. How many of the injuries were serious? How many were preventable? You should write for STUFF they headline stats like yours in just the same selective fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 How about a nonselective fashion then? The 1st race meeting of the new year over the last 5 years in Auckland. 2024 - 7 injuries with 94 starters. 7.4% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15750/stewards-report.aspx 2023 - 6 injuries with 94 starters. 6.3% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15309/stewards-report.aspx 2022 - 7 injuries with 103 starters. 6.7% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/14852/stewards-report.aspx After employing a Track Manager and beginning the Health & Welfare Committee. 20 injuries with 291 starters or 6.8%. 2021 - 2 injuries with 82 starters. 2.4% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/14331/stewards-report.aspx 2020 - 4 injuries with 104 starters. 3.8% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/13825/stewards-report.aspx Before employing a Track Manager and beginning the Health & Welfare Committee. 6 injuries with 186 starters or 3.2%. https://www.grnz.co.nz/News/2929/GRNZ-Media-Release-re-SPCA-Campaign Aren't those two entities performing well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: How about a nonselective fashion then? The 1st race meeting of the new year over the last 5 years in Auckland. 2024 - 7 injuries with 94 starters. 7.4% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15750/stewards-report.aspx 2023 - 6 injuries with 94 starters. 6.3% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15309/stewards-report.aspx 2022 - 7 injuries with 103 starters. 6.7% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/14852/stewards-report.aspx After employing a Track Manager and beginning the Health & Welfare Committee. 20 injuries with 291 starters or 6.8%. 2021 - 2 injuries with 82 starters. 2.4% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/14331/stewards-report.aspx 2020 - 4 injuries with 104 starters. 3.8% https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/13825/stewards-report.aspx Before employing a Track Manager and beginning the Health & Welfare Committee. 6 injuries with 186 starters or 3.2%. https://www.grnz.co.nz/News/2929/GRNZ-Media-Release-re-SPCA-Campaign Aren't those two entities performing well? So you are not bothering to grade the "injuries" now? The differences could simply be a change in Vet check policy. Or are you suggesting that shouldn't be a Track Manager or a Health & Welfare Committee? Perhaps it is the latter that has tightened the definition of an "injury" and has gone overboard on precaution to appease the woke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Should a 6.8% rate of injury (over the last 3 years) which required a stand-down be acceptable during the first January race meeting held in Auckland? Just a non-event which shouldn't be discussed or mentioned? Out of interest Chief, what is the injury rate requiring a stand-down in the two horse codes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So you are not bothering to grade the "injuries" now? The differences could simply be a change in Vet check policy. Or are you suggesting that shouldn't be a Track Manager or a Health & Welfare Committee? Perhaps it is the latter that has tightened the definition of an "injury" and has gone overboard on precaution to appease the woke? I've never graded an injury. That's up to the vet to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: I've never graded an injury. That's up to the vet to do. So you agree then that many of the injuries are due to a precautionary approach as opposed to severe and life threatening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Should a 6.8% rate of injury (over the last 3 years) which required a stand-down be acceptable during the first January race meeting held in Auckland? Just a non-event which shouldn't be discussed or mentioned? Out of interest Chief, what is the injury rate requiring a stand-down in the two horse codes? But what are the injuries? What caused them? They are now Vetting ALL dogs now that suffered interference. Did they do that in the past? You say that there is more dog interference to each other on some tracks and not others? Are you saying the Auckland track is unsafe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So you agree then that many of the injuries are due to a precautionary approach as opposed to severe and life threatening? Isn't an injury an injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Isn't an injury an injury? Nope. In horseracing lameness is graded on a standard scale recognised internationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They are now Vetting ALL dogs now that suffered interference. Not true. The #1, 3 & 4 all had rather sever interference in the race a month ago. The #1 even made contact with the rail. Yet no mention of the incident in the Stewards report and no dogs were vetted after the race. Link to full replay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 8 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Not true. The #1, 3 & 4 all had rather sever interference in the race a month ago. The #1 even made contact with the rail. Yet no mention of the incident in the Stewards report and no dogs were vetted after the race. Link to full replay Obviously they didn't do it in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overit Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Can anyone help on a date Addington is going to stop racing as it was discussed that Jan/Feb due to lack of harness racing, was to be the date as this was documented at a welfare committee late last year? The injuries on this outdated dangerous track are the worst over all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Oct 2023 minutes says this. Addington - A number of historical issues dating back to 2011 post earthquake and to April 2021. Track staff have not been willing to engage with our strategy and view on where we need to get to in the industry ultimately led to a decision on 22 September when track staff considered they weren’t comfortable with the track. In a nutshell long term findings, Addington requires significant reconstruction. There is frustration that there is no alternate venue and is detrimental to the industry. If proceeding with reconstruction then it will be done to a professional standard where good for 15-20 years. Addington reopens today, plan in place to get through to 31 December subject to performance and ongoing management of track. If it gets to an unacceptable level we will suspend racing. Logical time to do a complete renovation is January/February as harness racing is not on. Currently the nearest track is Invercargill 7.5 hours away, impacting financially, and on welfare of the dogs. Key discussion at Board next Wednesday 25 October. Track today is the most consistent it has presented since 13 June, great diagnostic perspective but gives no assurance that no injury will occur on track. BW confident as he possibly can be that the track and staff have ticked every box. BW discussed the water content and the importance of this. Engagement at Addington at Roadshow has been really positive in informing industry. Honesty and being transparent is appreciated from the industry. The Chair is encouraged by a proactive approach. BW raised the issue of the number of trials before meetings. Discussion on Addington water irrigation system. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Animal Health Welfare Committee minutes/2023 10 17 AHWC Minutes - Draft (1).pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overit Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 11 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Oct 2023 minutes says this. Addington - A number of historical issues dating back to 2011 post earthquake and to April 2021. Track staff have not been willing to engage with our strategy and view on where we need to get to in the industry ultimately led to a decision on 22 September when track staff considered they weren’t comfortable with the track. In a nutshell long term findings, Addington requires significant reconstruction. There is frustration that there is no alternate venue and is detrimental to the industry. If proceeding with reconstruction then it will be done to a professional standard where good for 15-20 years. Addington reopens today, plan in place to get through to 31 December subject to performance and ongoing management of track. If it gets to an unacceptable level we will suspend racing. Logical time to do a complete renovation is January/February as harness racing is not on. Currently the nearest track is Invercargill 7.5 hours away, impacting financially, and on welfare of the dogs. Key discussion at Board next Wednesday 25 October. Track today is the most consistent it has presented since 13 June, great diagnostic perspective but gives no assurance that no injury will occur on track. BW confident as he possibly can be that the track and staff have ticked every box. BW discussed the water content and the importance of this. Engagement at Addington at Roadshow has been really positive in informing industry. Honesty and being transparent is appreciated from the industry. The Chair is encouraged by a proactive approach. BW raised the issue of the number of trials before meetings. Discussion on Addington water irrigation system. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Animal Health Welfare Committee minutes/2023 10 17 AHWC Minutes - Draft (1).pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) On 9/01/2024 at 12:38 PM, Chief Stipe said: Obviously they didn't do it in the past. NZ tracks have always been a disaster. Raced in Aus and NZ and NZ surfaces are a disgrace. Let alone the wanganui, auckland and addington track being 3 of the worst 2 turn tracks ive ever raced on. Wentworth park, wairapa and old casino are probably the only 3 tracks i can think of with a worse design but wentys surface is far better. The amount of unnecessary injuries that happen on NZ tracks are certainly a problem that grnz have failed to resolve. A trainer needs to have 30-40dogs just to gaurantee 20 are able to race in NZ. Edited January 12 by BitofaLegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) Speaking of injuries, I've tossed in the towel on rail contact. I've made my point on that one. This year I'm beginning a new direction, injuries & the dirty behind the scenes tactics GRNZ has taken to minimize them (hint: it's not fixing broken tracks). GRNZ bracket injuries into categories, with the seriousness of the injury into mainly 4 of them. 1-10 days (minor), 11-21 days (medium), 22-42 days (major 1) and 43-90 days (major 2). Look at this remarkable occurrence, just in one race day (4 Jan) on two different tracks with obviously different vets (Addington/Cambridge). Cambridge~ Addington~ 3 different dogs, 2 different vets & 3 completely different injuries. All received a 42-day incapacitation, which is remarkably (conveniently) 1 day less then bumping up to the next severity in their data. A fractured toe, a torn gracilis & a scapula injury all take the exact same time to recover from. Yeah, ok GRNZ & the guidelines you've handed out to the RIB (totally independent) vets, no-one will ever pick up on that one, right? Edited January 13 by Yankiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 hours ago, BitofaLegend said: NZ tracks have always been a disaster. Raced in Aus and NZ and NZ surfaces are a disgrace. Let alone the wanganui, auckland and addington track being 3 of the worst 2 turn tracks ive ever raced on. Early injury data has been correlated. Percentage wise, the north is leading the pack, both in overall & serious injuries. 8.1% of all dogs that raced in the north were issued an injury stand-down. 1.2% of those same dogs were seriously injured requiring a stand-down of 22 days or more. It's time GRNZ did more than just talk about reducing injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) ... Edited January 13 by Yankiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Interesting stat. A one turn track has double the injury rate of a two turn track. We await Chazza's erudite analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 10 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Interesting stat. My New Years resolution was to create a post on BOAY that sparked Chief's interest. I accomplished it within 2 weeks. Time for my 50 weeks holiday now and go back to boring & upsetting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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