Auckland ATC- We have a problem!

[Brodie]

Just perusing the nominations for the New Year Eve meeting for Auckland on Sunday!

Possible problem occurring here by the look of it?

10 race program and only 78 noms!

Maiden trot for 15k 2 noms.

Maiden  pace 5 or 6 noms

35 to 54 trot for good stake only 5 or 6 noms

Franklin Cup for $60k only 8 noms with Akita as one of them.

How on earth is meeting going to be financially viable and just shows the state of  harness in Auckland at the moment and no way out

Noms extended to this morning going to be interesting to see the final fields for this meeting.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Brodie

[Gammalite]

Just have a 8 race card Brodster.

Can the maidens. only 8 nominated anyway you say .... just send them to cambridge/waikato where they used to go. 

Auckland should be running age group races anyway and anything better than maidens. being a metro class track.

[Brodie]

50k Greenlane Cup, group 3!
6 starters and a rating 47 trotter making up the field?

A once great harness industry in Auckland, is on its knees!

This meeting is going to bleed further funds from the industry and it is high time that the stakes for these Auckland meetings are reduced as the horses lining up will start for lesser stake money if they are in training!

no way these meetings are worth the money being wasted on it!

The Franklin Cup is an absolute disgrace.

Reality is that the club rested on its laurels and relied on people coming into racing without any effort from them!

Entain must be spewing?

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

no way these meetings are worth the money being wasted on it!

The Franklin Cup is an absolute disgrace.

You've Lost the plot with Nz losing the rugby and cricket and Nz Cup too Brodster.

maybe you should jump on the gallops and ride with Imperatriz . more exciting for you 🐎

Absolute Disgrace saying a race with 2 of the BEST horses in your country in it , is an Absolute Disgrace. That is ab disgraceful 😅😂

Tell ya what ..if I was still in Auckland I'd be there with Bells on . (Christmas Bells ? 😋) to see AKUTA and Don't Stop Dreaming . 2 Fantastic horses......

Josh Dickie got the sack off his dad's good horse in it too ??? hahaha must be in the bad-books for crossing to Aus each week  😂😆 probably wouldn't beat Marks 2 horses anyway.

Race 6 too looks a TREMENDOUS Field of trotters racing in a 50k trot . All of the 15 in great form.

Resolve (a Dominion H'cap placegetter has popped up for the fast class trot.  how cool.

Stop trying to 'shut the gate' to the harness racing Brodster ??? try and support the game a bit mate. 

 

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

You've Lost the plot with Nz losing the rugby and cricket and Nz Cup too Brodster.

maybe you should jump on the gallops and ride with Imperatriz . more exciting for you 🐎

Absolute Disgrace saying a race with 2 of the BEST horses in your country in it , is an Absolute Disgrace. That is ab disgraceful 😅😂

Tell ya what ..if I was still in Auckland I'd be there with Bells on . (Christmas Bells ? 😋) to see AKUTA and Don't Stop Dreaming . 2 Fantastic horses......

Josh Dickie got the sack off his dad's good horse in it too ??? hahaha must be in the bad-books for crossing to Aus each week  😂😆 probably wouldn't beat Marks 2 horses anyway.

Race 6 too looks a TREMENDOUS Field of trotters racing in a 50k trot . All of the 15 in great form.

Resolve (a Dominion H'cap placegetter has popped up for the fast class trot.  how cool.

Stop trying to 'shut the gate' to the harness racing Brodster ??? try and support the game a bit mate. 

 

Actually you raise some good points @Gammalite - there are many races at Metro gallop tracks where the fields are very light for 10x the money on offer at Franklin.

[Gammalite]

39 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Actually you raise some good points @Gammalite - there are many races at Metro gallop tracks where the fields are very light for 10x the money on offer at Franklin.

Was looking for an old Franklin Cup racebook from when I might of gone. Did find this old Mid Winter battered TURF DIGEST from mid eighties. the things you find in that Chief. !!!! amazing. 

19 and 20 horse Kurow trotting Club fields and Franklin trotting club fields (5 or 6 emergencies every race ) for 10 races at both places. !!! looks a lot of starters with no form at all. I think we just sent anything around in those days .whether it could run or not ...😅 you can see the odd familiar name like Smolenski or Brosnan (and they have the horses with winning form ) hahaha

TEST FOR CHIEF . this Turf Digest has gallops as well . Terrible form these huge Levin fields too . Has the Premiership tables in the book here for the gallopers . 

Can you name any of the Premiership 5 TOP Thoroughbred Trainers and Jockeys Mid 80's mate  ???without looking

[Brodie]

10 hours ago, Gammalite said:

You've Lost the plot with Nz losing the rugby and cricket and Nz Cup too Brodster.

maybe you should jump on the gallops and ride with Imperatriz . more exciting for you 🐎

Absolute Disgrace saying a race with 2 of the BEST horses in your country in it , is an Absolute Disgrace. That is ab disgraceful 😅😂

Tell ya what ..if I was still in Auckland I'd be there with Bells on . (Christmas Bells ? 😋) to see AKUTA and Don't Stop Dreaming . 2 Fantastic horses......

Josh Dickie got the sack off his dad's good horse in it too ??? hahaha must be in the bad-books for crossing to Aus each week  😂😆 probably wouldn't beat Marks 2 horses anyway.

Race 6 too looks a TREMENDOUS Field of trotters racing in a 50k trot . All of the 15 in great form.

Resolve (a Dominion H'cap placegetter has popped up for the fast class trot.  how cool.

Stop trying to 'shut the gate' to the harness racing Brodster ??? try and support the game a bit mate. 

 

So trying to support the industry by wanting to punt, and yet the TAB wont allow me to punt to win a worthwhile amount, Gamma!

I am stating the truth, how on earth can they run a financially viable meeting when they havent got sufficient horses?

How is it going to improve?

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

So trying to support the industry by wanting to punt, and yet the TAB wont allow me to punt to win a worthwhile amount, Gamma!

I am stating the truth, how on earth can they run a financially viable meeting when they havent got sufficient horses?

How is it going to improve?

well tell the trainers to train more horses then ???  .

The good prize money is up for grabs. I know Tony is getting older now .....but is trying to do as many horses as he ever has  ...to try and take advantage of the situation . Less opponents means he is more in the money than ever these days. so having a red hot crack at it.

Our Brisbane card this Saturday night has just 7 races ( 5 of which are full of slow horses I've never even heard of ) and 2 only are Metro ones . the first 2 races have the metro 'Band class' horses in them . Including burnt out Grimson Interdominion winners lol 😆. ONLY 59 horses racing in total . (and mostly over a mile.. care for a punt ??)

And you complain about Auckland ?? looks like a great program in comparison old mate 😉

 

[Rangatira]

18 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Was looking for an old Franklin Cup racebook from when I might of gone. Did find this old Mid Winter battered TURF DIGEST from mid eighties. the things you find in that Chief. !!!! amazing. 

19 and 20 horse Kurow trotting Club fields and Franklin trotting club fields (5 or 6 emergencies every race ) for 10 races at both places. !!! looks a lot of starters with no form at all. I think we just sent anything around in those days .whether it could run or not ...😅 you can see the odd familiar name like Smolenski or Brosnan (and they have the horses with winning form ) hahaha

TEST FOR CHIEF . this Turf Digest has gallops as well . Terrible form these huge Levin fields too . Has the Premiership tables in the book here for the gallopers . 

Can you name any of the Premiership 5 TOP Thoroughbred Trainers and Jockeys Mid 80's mate  ???without looking

Panther was a handy type for Garth Ivil

[TAB For Ever]

23 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Was looking for an old Franklin Cup racebook from when I might of gone. Did find this old Mid Winter battered TURF DIGEST from mid eighties. the things you find in that Chief. !!!! amazing. 

19 and 20 horse Kurow trotting Club fields and Franklin trotting club fields (5 or 6 emergencies every race ) for 10 races at both places. !!! looks a lot of starters with no form at all. I think we just sent anything around in those days .whether it could run or not ...😅 you can see the odd familiar name like Smolenski or Brosnan (and they have the horses with winning form ) hahaha

TEST FOR CHIEF . this Turf Digest has gallops as well . Terrible form these huge Levin fields too . Has the Premiership tables in the book here for the gallopers . 

Can you name any of the Premiership 5 TOP Thoroughbred Trainers and Jockeys Mid 80's mate  ???without looking

Gamma,

I'll have a guess at trainer / jockey leaders.

Trainers.....O'Sullivans                Jockeys.......L.O'Sullivan

                   G. Rogerson                                  D. Peake

                    N. Eales                                        D. Walsh

                    C. Jillings                                      G. Childs

                     Rex Cochrane                              J. Collett                              Happy New Year

[Gammalite]

7 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said:

Gamma,

I'll have a guess at trainer / jockey leaders.

Trainers.....O'Sullivans                Jockeys.......L.O'Sullivan

                   G. Rogerson                                  D. Peake

                    N. Eales                                        D. Walsh

                    C. Jillings                                      G. Childs

                     Rex Cochrane                              J. Collett                              Happy New Year

Ok I 'll get a photo and put here out of the results shortly (from the Turf Digest).

Happy New Year to you too 🍾💰🎉

you're probably very close .  Chief must of 'blanked' out . he does that sometimes 😆😂

I was gunna go Colin Jillings and Ray Verner as was a lad at Takanini and remember them winning heaps . Also Ken Browne with the jumpers was winning all sorts . bit of a legend.

Jocks I remember were David Peake and Shane Dye and Grant Cooksley so would of gone them.

 

[Gammalite]

21 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said:

I'll have a guess at trainer / jockey leaders.

Trainers.....O'Sullivans                Jockeys.......L.O'Sullivan

                   G. Rogerson                                  D. Peake

                    N. Eales                                        D. Walsh

                    C. Jillings                                      G. Childs

                     Rex Cochrane                              J. Collett 

Here's the Trainers results (have put the harness ones there too with Roy and Barry winning with only 48 wins , from the great Derek Jones . *Robert Dunn way back on 17 in those days. 

 'TAB man' has just missed the quinella with Graeme Rogerson being the leading Trainer mid 80's with  O'Sullivan's 3rd. Paddy Busuttin just missing the premiership ,one win behind Rogerson.

Great job TAB !! .... as you had 4 of Top 5 !!🏆  Noel Eales running 12th not far away.

Takanini greats Colin Jillings 5th and Ray Verner 13th.  

[Gammalite]

49 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said:

I'll have a guess at trainer / jockey leaders.

Trainers.....O'Sullivans                Jockeys.......L.O'Sullivan

                   G. Rogerson                                  D. Peake

                    N. Eales                                        D. Walsh

                    C. Jillings                                      G. Childs

                     Rex Cochrane                              J. Collett 

No problems at Auckland in the 80's with The new Kid on the block Tony taking over the top National reinsman spot from Wolfie for the first time  . Maurice and Owen Purdon winning heaps too for the Auckland faithful. great times Brodster 👍

The De Filippi brothers and the young 'Ants' Butt the best from the South.

The Jockeys and TABman has 2 of the Top 5 . looks like David Walsh winning the premiership by a country mile . 138 wins.

young Lance O'Sullivan down about 12th with some other greats there in Shane Dye , Greg Childs and current Nz National wins record holder Chris Johnson. 

[Brodie]

22 hours ago, Gammalite said:

well tell the trainers to train more horses then ???  .

The good prize money is up for grabs. I know Tony is getting older now .....but is trying to do as many horses as he ever has  ...to try and take advantage of the situation . Less opponents means he is more in the money than ever these days. so having a red hot crack at it.

Our Brisbane card this Saturday night has just 7 races ( 5 of which are full of slow horses I've never even heard of ) and 2 only are Metro ones . the first 2 races have the metro 'Band class' horses in them . Including burnt out Grimson Interdominion winners lol 😆. ONLY 59 horses racing in total . (and mostly over a mile.. care for a punt ??)

And you complain about Auckland ?? looks like a great program in comparison old mate 😉

 

As you will know Gamma, its not the trainers that are required, it is Owners and punters.

Without owners there will not be horses, and without punters being allowed to punt, there will be no racing.

There will always be trainers if there are horses being bred!

Problem is that there are reasons that there are fewer owners around willing to throw their hard earned into harness horses in training.

We have been over this previously as well as the lack of new punters coming thru as well as existing punters being victimised!

The chickens are coming home to roost unfortunately Gamma and quicker than we thought!

Canterbury is the only area in NZ that appears to have some sort of a future, wouldnt you say? 

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

As you will know Gamma, its not the trainers that are required, it is Owners and punters.

Without owners there will not be horses, and without punters being allowed to punt, there will be no racing.

There will always be trainers if there are horses being bred!

Problem is that there are reasons that there are fewer owners around willing to throw their hard earned into harness horses in training.

We have been over this previously as well as the lack of new punters coming thru as well as existing punters being victimised!

The chickens are coming home to roost unfortunately Gamma and quicker than we thought!

Canterbury is the only area in NZ that appears to have some sort of a future, wouldnt you say? 

Sure seems the case Brodster ... although I have to debate your last sentence ..  you just have to keep the North going too.

Sure is 2 of the most important participants alright. we need those owners.. (and Punters you discuss at times)

The owners buying at the sales and getting them in the stables that are still keen to race in the Group races is the best way forward.

MERLIN raced by a man with a stud farm here in Queensland has just won the Nz Derby . Dean now buys at the Nz sales and leaves them with Barry Purdon (and Scott) and is getting a few winners there. he used to race heaps here in Brisbane but has shifted attention to NZ now  ... and it's paid off already . Now a Derby winning owner beating up Marks good horse. 

A few more owners like that chipping in mate , and the North will be fine. One lovely chap on a nz forum comp team I play in races small shares in horses with Barry as well , (as well as Gallopers at Te Akau with one winning last Saturday too) and he is doing his bit to try and chip in and help the situation. Tony and Suzanne Herlihy get in as many as they can (friends and family with shares) and are trying so hard to keep the motivation/fun/industry going .....

Auckland still going ok Bernie and a few 'Puke' trainers have heaps of Trotters too. good on em .

Don't give up on em mate because you're in the South . still WAY better than Tassie trotting in the South hahahaha  

[Gammalite]

A former kiwi horse NORTHVIEW HUSTLER won the metro fast class last night in 1.50.6

some of you might remember him racing in Auckland way back 2017 , when he won 8 of 10 starts (or something like that)  to whip straight through to Open class.

since running 4th in this same race last Christmas to old Auckland Cup winner TURN IT UP , the 'Hustler' has gone 34 races for just the 1 win at Redcliffe last summer. Northview Hustler and Turn It Up did both compete in the recent Brisbane Interdominion unsuccessfully. 

That was just his (Hustler) 2nd win for the year last night 😢. It just shows how hard it is to Win???  , when you have a horse who can run a 1.50 mile and only win 2 races for the year. get's just $8000 onto this record from last night's win , so a tick over 50k for the year for a very fast horse. Barely a profit ...😪 

Summary:	34-1-3-4
Stakes:	$46,577
Best Winning Mile Rate:	1:55.1

 

(footnote: expat kiwi Graeme Harris still going. I notice him on those mid 80's Premiership tables above. His own horse fading and running last behind Northview Hustler last night. Way too quick for Gleneagle Warrior)

[Rangatira]

3 hours ago, Gammalite said:

(footnote: expat kiwi Graeme Harris still going. I notice him on those mid 80's Premiership tables above. His own horse fading and running last behind Northview Hustler last night. Way too quick for Gleneagle Warrior)

Alba's Reign his best ?

[Forbury]

ATC have more than a problem with fields and integrity.i will never ever place a bet north again in my life as a result of a lot of boat races.race 2&3 were completely boat races pre organised!

[Brodie]

Forbury, It depends on whether you have backed the winning boat!

This time of year with all the racing going on, is very easy to make $, but then it isnt easy to be able to get what you want on!

Is anyone getting much on the head to heads?

I have the luxury of netting less than a dozen 🍺!!

Gutless bunch, where is their Xmas spirit? 

[Forbury]

Mark Purdon says he's made good connections in victoria.he says don't stop dreaming is going for hunter cup.i believe it won't make the field and should not make the field as there will be better proven horses selected.therefore I'm predicting that this race tonight will be another boat race and don't stop dreaming will win

 

[Forbury]

Surprise surprise mark Purdon didn't fix another boat race no he didn't he would never do that lol.what a PREDICTABLE RESULT 

[the galah]

39 minutes ago, Forbury said:

Mark Purdon says he's made good connections in victoria.he says don't stop dreaming is going for hunter cup.i believe it won't make the field and should not make the field as there will be better proven horses selected.therefore I'm predicting that this race tonight will be another boat race and don't stop dreaming will win

 

I wish the betting was as easy as you and brodie say it is at this time of year.

The only thing i could have predicted about that race was the turnover on the recent non win races at westport,gore,motukarara would be greater than you get on a race with akuta and don't stop dreaming in.

According to the tab website,they had $10,499 in the win pool and close to $7,200 in the place pool.

The $50,000 high clas trot with 5 in that is to follow will be lucky to get half of that.

People who say the good horses attract the most betting simply ignore reality.

Shame about the weather there. Thats the 3rd north island meeting in a row where they have had a wet track. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by the galah

[Brodie]

13 hours ago, the galah said:

I wish the betting was as easy as you and brodie say it is at this time of year.

The only thing i could have predicted about that race was the turnover on the recent non win races at westport,gore,motukarara would be greater than you get on a race with akuta and don't stop dreaming in.

According to the tab website,they had $10,499 in the win pool and close to $7,200 in the place pool.

The $50,000 high clas trot with 5 in that is to follow will be lucky to get half of that.

People who say the good horses attract the most betting simply ignore reality.

Shame about the weather there. Thats the 3rd north island meeting in a row where they have had a wet track. 

With a minute or so to go on the maiden with 5 starters at Auckland there was 3k in the win pool!

Not sure what it closed at, but diabolical result.

Yes, be selective at what you punt on and do your homework and $ to be made, however they very restricting!

Head to Heads, flipping pointless!

Edited December 31, 2023 by Brodie

[mikeynz]

$20000 plus 7 carried over for the late quaddie at the Mot, nothing like last week but still not too bad.

Quaddie at Cambridge just over 4500, that's poor, don't matter when Cambridge run, not much interest, won't be long and Northern Harness will be passed by some of the Greyhound meetings.