Westport shenanigans

[Honestjohn]

anyone hearing about a trainer assaulting a junior drivers.  he's from wooden.  nasty smell from there methinks 

 

Hj

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Honestjohn said:

anyone hearing about a trainer assaulting a junior drivers.  he's from wooden.  nasty smell from there methinks 

 

Hj

You been reading the headlines at the scum channel aka @Archie Butterfly ?

[Honestjohn]

No another trainer told me.  I'm aware of that site.  not for me though. the guys on bail. 

 

Hj

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

You been reading the headlines at the scum channel aka @Archie Butterfly ?

So archie butterfly is scum for reporting that the trainer has plead gulity in court to assaulting another trainer.

No mention from you as to what you think of the actions of the trainer. You think Archie butterfly is the bad guy,as always.

At least your consistent i suppose.Always looking to deflect.

 

Edited January 8 by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

30 minutes ago, the galah said:

So archie butterfly is scum for reporting that the trainer has plead gulity in court to assaulting another trainer.

No it's a scum channel for lots of reasons.  No doubt your are buying into his "how to cheat with PEDS" series.

 

31 minutes ago, the galah said:

You think Archie butterfly is the bad guy,as always.

And "as always" you think he is a fantastic investigative journalist.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Honestjohn said:

No another trainer told me.  I'm aware of that site.  not for me though. the guys on bail. 

 

Hj

@Archie Butterfly or the trainer is out on bail?

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

No it's a scum channel for lots of reasons.  No doubt your are buying into his "how to cheat with PEDS" series.

 

And "as always" you think he is a fantastic investigative journalist.

i only read his headlines. Anyone who reads his headlines and who follows harness racing in nz would realise he actually reports stories that people in nz talk about. 

Its like the story about the woodend trainer he names. People would be talking about it,but it gets next to no coverage by other harness media in nz.No one has mentioned it that i can see as at today,yet most in the industry would have talked about it.Harness racing media in nz are mostly seen as PR people.

NZ Harness racing media choose not to be controversial.They take the 'lets offend no one except maybe someone who is a harness racing no one'. Easier that way as they realise there is a price to pay, if they are seen as not batting for the right team. Gutless in some ways,but i can understand the "don't rock the  boat and be otracized"  in certain circles,approach. 

Archie butterfly stories on "how to cheat" that you refer to i find a bit amusing in some ways,but it also has a very serious side as well. Why. Well hes just telling people whats advertised as for sale via the internet if your that way inclined  and if you have the right contacts. He just has done or had someone with more knowledge of the subject ,do more research than his average subscriber and it would no doubt be informative to many.

Like i have said before,I'm not a subscriber,but he is certainly well known,successful and often expresses opinions that not everyone shares.What you must know chief is there is a market for what he does. Many people view him very highly .Of course not everyone,especially those he may have written about and whom he has expressed opinions about that may not be accurate. But ilke in the case of the trainer who has plead guilty to assault,he can't go wrong when he reports what appears to be a fact.

Edited January 8 by the galah

[Shad]

Haven't heard anything on that score, and who is archie butterfly 

[Chief Stipe]

So @Honestjohn and @the galah where did you hear that the accused pleaded guilty?  My sources say the person in question hasn't.

[Blossom lady]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

No it's a scum channel for lots of reasons.  No doubt your are buying into his "how to cheat with PEDS" series.

 

And "as always" you think he is a fantastic investigative journalist.

You seem to be obsessed with the guy. I just had a quick scroll and after seeing one of the pics that was enough for me. Perhaps that is why you like the site so much. If that’s what you are into. Good on you if you are. Each to their own 

[Blossom lady]

6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

You been reading the headlines at the scum channel aka @Archie Butterfly ?

It was the talk of the coast . Junior driver couldn’t drive the second day. 

[Blossom lady]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

So @Honestjohn and @the galah where did you hear that the accused pleaded guilty?  My sources say the person in question hasn't.

Heard he in line for diversion. 
Shame as the trainer has form for this sort of thing. Been kicked out of pubs on the coast for fighting before. Not forgetting the major disturbances he caused at his sisters wedding. If I remember right he spent the night in the cells then as well. 
 

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, Blossom lady said:

You seem to be obsessed with the guy. I just had a quick scroll and after seeing one of the pics that was enough for me. Perhaps that is why you like the site so much. If that’s what you are into. Good on you if you are. Each to their own 

I detest the site.  Why?  Because he talks shyte.  Some people pay for it.  Unlike here you can express your opinions not there.

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, Blossom lady said:

Heard he in line for diversion. 
Shame as the trainer has form for this sort of thing. Been kicked out of pubs on the coast for fighting before. Not forgetting the major disturbances he caused at his sisters wedding. If I remember right he spent the night in the cells then as well. 
 

So?  What's your point?  W

[Gammalite]

Had a horse in with a name the 'junior' might remember going forward.

Igetakickoutofyou #8 Matt Purvis

[Brodie]

I dont know why we even need to be talking about this?

Personally do not think it is beneficial to anyone and think we should drop it!

Discussing it in public is not going to achieve anything positive, in fact I believe it is very poor form, and why do some like to kick someone when they are down?

Thing is, we should be more concentrating on support for people in the industry rather than trying to put them down!

We have had this sort of thing before and will again!

We were not there and I do not know what actually happened but if it was your son or father, doubt you would be impressed if people were posting stuff about them!!!!!

Let’s just hope that the person involved has great personal support around him and he comes thru this hiccup in life all good!

Edited January 8 by Brodie

[Chief Stipe]

I agree.  BOAY is not into personal gossip.

But for the grace of God there go I.

[Gammalite]

24 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Thing is, we should be more concentrating on support for people in the industry rather than trying to put them down!

You've been bagging the whole North island industry for months/years calling for them to be shut down at times. Not a lot of support for the MANY PEOPLE involved in the harness racing in the North island . They must All feel 'Put down' often on this site. 

If someone wants to start bashing other participants (physically) then that is a VERY serious offence. people should be warned / educated whatever you want. Not just hidden in the toilet block . Assault is assault and people should not turn a blind eye .

What about this bloke on the West Coast ? enough to make you move to the North just to be sake on the roads ? good grief . Maybe he needs some support, I could tell you what he really needs but think it is outlawed these days...just a disgrace even had the chance to do this damage >>>>>

The children of a woman killed by a drink-driver who had dozens of previous motoring convictions have branded a judge's decision to cut his sentence “sickening”.

Damian and Emma Hands said the justice system was “unfair” and designed to “protect even clear-cut guilty criminals” after Justice Jonathan Eaton slashed five months from a jail term handed to Brian Ralph Lewis.

Lewis, who had already been convicted 10 times for drink-driving, was more than three times the legal limit when his car weaved across a West Coast road on April 30 last year and ploughed into one driven by Kathy Sexton.

“This has changed my life in such a terrible way. He is a criminal, a gutless selfish man, and my mum – my best friend – was loving, kind and generous.

“I can't believe that her life was taken by him and he got such a pathetic sentence, which is now even less. It makes me physically sick.”

Lewis was jailed after admitting charges of drink-driving causing death and two counts of drink-driving causing injury following the crash near Stillwater, about 20km east of Greymouth.

Lewis, who was himself seriously injured in the crash, had 43 previous driving convictions – seven for either careless or dangerous driving and 26 for driving while disqualified, along with the 10 for drink-driving.

Following his appeal to the High Court that the sentence was “manifestly excessive”, Justice Eaton reduced it.

 

[Brodie]

7 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

You've been bagging the whole North island industry for months/years calling for them to be shut down at times. Not a lot of support for the MANY PEOPLE involved in the harness racing in the North island . They must All feel 'Put down' often on this site. 

If someone wants to start bashing other participants (physically) then that is a VERY serious offence. people should be warned / educated whatever you want. Not just hidden in the toilet block . Assault is assault and people should not turn a blind eye .

What about this bloke on the West Coast ? enough to make you move to the North just to be sake on the roads ? good grief . Maybe he needs some support, I could tell you what he really needs but think it is outlawed these days...just a disgrace even had the chance to do this damage >>>>>

The children of a woman killed by a drink-driver who had dozens of previous motoring convictions have branded a judge's decision to cut his sentence “sickening”.

Damian and Emma Hands said the justice system was “unfair” and designed to “protect even clear-cut guilty criminals” after Justice Jonathan Eaton slashed five months from a jail term handed to Brian Ralph Lewis.

Lewis, who had already been convicted 10 times for drink-driving, was more than three times the legal limit when his car weaved across a West Coast road on April 30 last year and ploughed into one driven by Kathy Sexton.

“This has changed my life in such a terrible way. He is a criminal, a gutless selfish man, and my mum – my best friend – was loving, kind and generous.

“I can't believe that her life was taken by him and he got such a pathetic sentence, which is now even less. It makes me physically sick.”

Lewis was jailed after admitting charges of drink-driving causing death and two counts of drink-driving causing injury following the crash near Stillwater, about 20km east of Greymouth.

Lewis, who was himself seriously injured in the crash, had 43 previous driving convictions – seven for either careless or dangerous driving and 26 for driving while disqualified, along with the 10 for drink-driving.

Following his appeal to the High Court that the sentence was “manifestly excessive”, Justice Eaton reduced it.

 

Gamma, in regards to North Island racing, I have been pointing out just how poor the state of harness racing in the North Island is!

I have not been bagged any-individuals as far as I can recall?

My point in regards to the N.I racing is that there needs to be changes or it will fold eventually and throwing big stakes and having 4 maidens line up in Auckland is and never will be in the best interests of improving harness racing!

There are issues that need addressing Gamma, and you are aware of these as much as anyone.

The industry can not meep their heads in the sand and expect things to improve as that js not what happens!

Auckland problems started with the decision to develop Alexandra Park as we know!

As for the incident on the west Coast recently, I reiterate it should not be discussed on any forum for reasons for personal safety!

I personally do not condone violence and kicking someone in the guts when they are down, is violence!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Blossom lady]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

So?  What's your point?  W

Just saying the beach trainer has a history of aggressive behaviour. Guess you not as intelligent as you think you are if you couldn’t work that out!!

[Blossom lady]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

I detest the site.  Why?  Because he talks shyte.  Some people pay for it.  Unlike here you can express your opinions not there.

For someone who detests the site it seems like you spend a lot of time on there.

Some would say the talking Shyte is something you have in common!!

Edited January 8 by Blossom lady

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Blossom lady said:

For someone who detests the site it seems like you spend a lot of time on there.

Some would say the talking Shyte is something you have in common!!

Really?  I don't spend any time on the @Archie Butterfly site.  Reading the headlines is enough for me to form an opinion!

If you think I talk shyte then thats fine.  What is your contribution? 

[Chief Stipe]

16 minutes ago, Blossom lady said:

Just saying the beach trainer has a history of aggressive behaviour. Guess you not as intelligent as you think you are if you couldn’t work that out!!

Fine.  But you only appear to turn up for issues like this.  Honest question - Why?

[Brodie]

43 minutes ago, Blossom lady said:

Just saying the beach trainer has a history of aggressive behaviour. Guess you not as intelligent as you think you are if you couldn’t work that out!!

So surely, he needs support from the harness racing community, rather than trying to castigate him on a public forum?

I do not know what went on and do not need to know, but sounds like alcohol had a significant impact on the incident?

Not condoning any violence at all Blossom, however sometimes there are extenuating circumstances and people handle things differently,

I would be far more concerned about the atrocities that were forced upon the citizens of NZ during the reign of the worst government NZ has endured,  for 2 terms from the Labour government!

The detrimental effects are coming to fruition but not reported on, and yet you want to castigate an individual?

Seriously, we need to drop the discussion as it is not beneficial for anyone!

 

 

 

Edited January 8 by Brodie

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

I dont know why we even need to be talking about this?

Personally do not think it is beneficial to anyone and think we should drop it!

Discussing it in public is not going to achieve anything positive, in fact I believe it is very poor form, and why do some like to kick someone when they are down?

Thing is, we should be more concentrating on support for people in the industry rather than trying to put them down!

We have had this sort of thing before and will again!

We were not there and I do not know what actually happened but if it was your son or father, doubt you would be impressed if people were posting stuff about them!!!!!

Let’s just hope that the person involved has great personal support around him and he comes thru this hiccup in life all good!

I think the below post proves you are not on the money this time brodie when you suggest people shouldn't be talking about it.your ignoring reality.

2 hours ago, Blossom lady said:

It was the talk of the coast . Junior driver couldn’t drive the second day. 

Besides  brodie,i struggle with how you have expressed your concern for the person who assaulted someone,but no mention of the junior driver who was assaulted.

Your first post on this topic has things totally back to front.

It should go without saying that being the victim of any assault can be a traumatic and stressful experience.

Like everything there are factors that come into play as to the person charged and how he deals with what he did will be just as important in how he is perceived as to what he actually did.

if he has plead guilty as has been reported then he has taken the first steps in taking responsibilty for his actions.How he treats the victim going forward will be important in how stressful the victim handles what has been done to him.

From my own experiences i can say that if someone is genuinely remorsful then you tend to view them with more forgiveness than someone who is not. Once i was assaulted by someone who i knew was capable of extreme violence but i got past that as i believe he was sincere in that he wished he had not let his demons of alcohol and depression get the better of him when he started a fight with me. He went on to be a significant party to an assault that caused someones death and spent many years in jail. Yet we both would say hullo if we saw each other today..Another time i was assaulted by someone who had taken too many drugs. I got to realise that he was taking the drugs because of anxiety and depression and he too showed genuine remorse and after getting to know him a lot better with further interactions .I realised he was more a danger to himself. Then i have also been assaulted by someone who i view the most dangerous of anyone i have come into contact with. Again on drugs and drunk,but the worst thing about that experience for me was the way the police handled it.I had a mixed bag when dealing with police,mostly very good but that last assault i mentioned certainly left me seeing a different side of justice.

Anyway this topic again highlights to me what occurs in the harness racing industry when dealing with certain issues. Many automatically take a stance based on personalities instaed of peoples actions.In my view the chief and brodies posts prove my point.

Edited January 8 by the galah