Chief Stipe Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 DONTTELLTHEBOYS - driver C DeFilippi defended a breach of Rule 868(3) alleging that he failed to drive the gelding out to the end of the race when having a reasonable chance of finishing in 1st placing. After viewing the replays and hearing evidence from Stewards and Mr DeFilippi, the Adjudicative Committee found the charge proved and Mr DeFilippi's driver's licence was suspended from the conclusion of racing on 11 February up to and including 6 March 2024 (7 days). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: DONTTELLTHEBOYS - driver C DeFilippi defended a breach of Rule 868(3) alleging that he failed to drive the gelding out to the end of the race when having a reasonable chance of finishing in 1st placing. After viewing the replays and hearing evidence from Stewards and Mr DeFilippi, the Adjudicative Committee found the charge proved and Mr DeFilippi's driver's licence was suspended from the conclusion of racing on 11 February up to and including 6 March 2024 (7 days). 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Maybe he needs to get one of those 2 seat sulkys and get the stipe to go around too and show him how to do things properly. Edited February 9 by mikeynz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: DONTTELLTHEBOYS - driver C DeFilippi defended a breach of Rule 868(3) alleging that he failed to drive the gelding out to the end of the race when having a reasonable chance of finishing in 1st placing. After viewing the replays and hearing evidence from Stewards and Mr DeFilippi, the Adjudicative Committee found the charge proved and Mr DeFilippi's driver's licence was suspended from the conclusion of racing on 11 February up to and including 6 March 2024 (7 days). The charge was he failed to show enough vigour when having a reasonable chance of finishing in first placing. Well he did have a chance of finishing in first placing,no argument proving that part of the charge. Was he showing enough vigour in the last 100m,especially the last bit,well it didn't appear so. So i think the decsion to find the charge proven was always likely to go against him. I could understand him defending the charge,as his horse had a tendency to slightly move in,but i think if i had been making that decision i would have come to the same conclusion as those hearing the charge.. The matter had to be dealt with on its merits. Whether he has been suspended previously for things like using the whip free of the reins,really has no bearing on last nights matter. In some peoples mind it may,but i think that would be an unreasonable postion to take. Things like that have to be strictly policed otherwise people lose confidence in the stipes ability to do their job. Edited February 9 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 26 minutes ago, the galah said: The charge was he failed to show enough vigour Define "enough vigour". Would a couple more cracks with the whip been enough? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Define "enough vigour". Would a couple more cracks with the whip been enough? No that would probably then be defined as too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Colin DeFiippi, is one of the nicer fellas in harness racing without any doubt. He has been a successful trainer and driver for many decades! I nave absolute no idea why the Stipes have it in for Colin over the past couple of years? Part of the reason is because they have been operating under a blatantly stupid whip rule that needs chucking out! One minute he is getting done for trying too hard to win by using the whip supposedly wrongly and then last night not using it right? Seriously, couldnt make this shit up! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 I think Colin would know, after how many years doing it, if a horse was giving its best. It appears to me the horse was… dead right Brodie, stipes can’t have it both ways. Want the public perception of not whipping, but someone of Colin’s stature needs to change the way he drives to make it look like he’s trying a bit harder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 Exactly define "vigour"? He should have done a Ben Hope and done a helicopter wave with both arms! What did he gain from coming second? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Yes fair comments, why would he not want to win, imagine as a senior driver who has used the whip the same way for 99% of their lives, have now been asked to change this dramatically in a short time, we all know how habits are hard to break, but ole story doomed if you and doomed if you don't, interesting part is the suspensions, 20 odd years ago this charge would be a major, and one could be expected to be ousted for a very long time on the side line, months mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Define "enough vigour". Would a couple more cracks with the whip been enough? People seem to be ignoring the first part of the charge.-reasonable chance of finishing in first place. The margin was a very small nose. Thats very relevant. Had he been beaten a length,it most likely would not have been mentioned in the stipes report. He won the week before by a nose with a similar drive and it did not get mentioned(which personally did surprise me). If you look at his vigour,he encouraged the horse with 4 slaps with the rein or whip and lifted the reins once in the last 200m. He did nothing in the last 40m. I think people who have commented on here are factoring in colin de fillipi's outstanding record over the years and the respect he has from everyone. But at the end of the day,the matter was judged on what happened in the last 200m of that race. In my view i think if another less well known driver had done exactly the same thing,no one would even be questioning the stipes decision. Also,that was a race i missed. i came home and said to the wife ,who won. Her first comment was i think colin de fillipi will get suspended as it looked like he was happy to run second.i watched it and agreed that it didn't look the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Shad said: Yes fair comments, why would he not want to win, imagine as a senior driver who has used the whip the same way for 99% of their lives, have now been asked to change this dramatically in a short time, we all know how habits are hard to break, but ole story doomed if you and doomed if you don't, interesting part is the suspensions, 20 odd years ago this charge would be a major, and one could be expected to be ousted for a very long time on the side line, months mostly. well actually shad,when you say why would he not want to win. I would answer because he knows a second win at his second start,would mean he then had to race against horses that have won so many more races and had so many more starts than him. The ratings system is very unfair on horses that do that. I mean he looks after that horse for a couple of years,nurturing it both physically and mentally and placing it so that it and its owners can have many happy raceday experiences. Then because its a bit too good,he has to flatten it and knock its confidence by running in the higher grades when its not ready to do so. In other words he has to undo some of the good work he had done. To be honest,i think any trainer/driver would know that it was in the horses and owners best long term interests,to run a place and not win last nights race. Now whether that was a factor,i don't know,but i think i've seen many instances of trainer/drivers seemingly leaving their runs until a bit late ,which i believe was due to the handicapping system.. I mean that horse only qualified 2 weeks ago. He said on unhinged the week before that he only entered it the week before just to help the club out who had small numbers in the race he won. Edited February 10 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 25 minutes ago, the galah said: Also,that was a race i missed. i came home and said to the wife ,who won. Her first comment was i think colin de fillipi will get suspended as it looked like he was happy to run second.i watched it and agreed that it didn't look the best. Or he was happy not to punish his horse who was giving everything it could. You don't punish a horse who is putting in otherwise you sour them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Has driven for me. Top bloke but it's time to retire gracefully. Hearing aids and glasses. Give it away Cj Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, Honestjohn said: Has driven for me. Top bloke but it's time to retire gracefully. Hearing aids and glasses. Give it away Cj Hj Thats an interesting take honestjohn. I looked it up and in 2016 in the USA 25.3% of people under 17 wore glasses/contact lenses,whether it be throughout the day or just reading glasses. 53.4% aged between 18-34 and 77.5% over 55. Another study found 92% over 65 wore reading glasses. Another study found people perceived you to look 3.3 years older wearing glasses,once you got to 45. Whereas when wearing sunglasses,people percieved young people to be the same age but 1.8 years younger if an older person wearing sunglasses This was put down to the sunglasses covering the wrinkles around the eyes. Then the hearing aide thing you bring up.. Couldn't find any specific stats about nz other than just over 10% of the population have a hearing aide,and obviously the older you get the more likely you are to have one.They are worn on average 7.8 hours per day. People who have hearing loss-people with hearing aides compared to those without who have hearing loss. People with the hearing aides are less likely to be depressed or anxious,more likely to be more productive,10% more likely have all the following.. be employed,better sleep, have eye exams,cholesterol checks,take a pet to the vet,etc. Also as relates to the most common form of dementia,alzheimers. Hearing aides are a significant factor in delaying or preventing alzheimers, reportedly by up to 40%. In nz its been reported half the prison population has hearing loss. Whether thats because they are tested more there?,but poor childhood hearing has been shown to be linked to anti social behavior. More maori and pacific people have hearing loss believed to be due to the type of occupations many have. So how that relates to colin defillipi . well i guess the glasses stats show the high % of people who use glasses. And the hearing aide you say he uses, indicates he is most likely to be happeier and more productive and more likely to look after his health more. At the end of the day,personally i thinks its like somone who loves golf. They may have been on a one handicap when at their best 20 years ago,but they still love playing golf and even though they may have dropped to a eigth handicap,they still will be mush better now than most will ever be. So why would you give away doing something you still enjoy. So its really for anyone and their family to decide when they want to cut back participation,not for anyone else to decide or influence. Edited February 16 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 10 minutes ago, the galah said: Thats an interesting take honestjohn. I looked it up and in 2016 in the USA 25.3% of people under 17 wore glasses/contact lenses,whether it be throughout the day or just reading glasses. 53.4% aged between 18-34 and 77.5% over 55. Another study found 92% over 65 wore reading glasses. Another study found people perceived you to look 3.3 years older wearing glasses,once you got to 45. Whereas when wearing sunglasses,people percieved young people to be the same age but 1.8 years younger if an older person wearing sunglasses This was put down to the sunglasses covering the wrinkles around the eyes. Then the hearing aide thing you bring up.. Couldn't find any specific stats about nz other than just over 10% of the population have a hearing aide,and obviously the older you get the more likely you are to have one.They are worn on average 7.8 hours per day. People who have hearing loss-people with hearing aides compared to those without who have hearing loss. People with the hearing aides are less likely to be depressed or anxious,more likely to be more productive,10% more likely have all the following.. be employed,better sleep, have eye exams,cholesterol checks,take a pet to the vet,etc. Also as relates to the most common form of dementia,alzheimers. Hearing aides are a significant factor in delaying or preventing alzheimers, reportedly by up to 40%. In nz its been reported half the prison population has hearing loss. Whether thats because they are tested more there?,but poor childhood hearing has been shown to be linked to anti social behavior. More maori and pacific people have hearing loss believed to be due to the type of occupations many have. So how that relates to colin defillipi . well i guess the glasses stats show the high % of people who use glasses. And the hearing aide you say he uses, indicates he is most likely to be happeier and more productive and more likely to look after his health more. At the end of the day,personally i thinks its like somone who loves golf. They may have been on a one handicap when at their best 20 years ago,but they still love playing golf and even though they may have dropped to a eigth handicap,they still will be mush better now than most will ever be. So why would you give away doing something you still enjoy. So its really for anyone and their family to decide when they want to cut back participation,not for anyone else to decide or influence. Great stats BTW. I only wear glasses for driving as I drive a lot. Before covid I was transferring trucks inter island. I definitely need for see distance while driving. Hearing is perfect. 66yo is me but Colin would be older than me. Hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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