Brodie Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Had a couple of goes on what I considered to be certainties to run in the money!!! Only problem is that they both were extremely poorly driven! Yes I know that you take your chances when you back anyone but the good drivers! However in small fields and stakes of $15k you would think the drivers would have enough intellect to put the horse in the race, and not flash home too late?? Yes talking through my wallet however it is pathetic that the Stipes will accept this as acceptable! You can see why some drivers get outside drives snd others dont! Edited March 22 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 52 minutes ago, Brodie said: Had a couple of goes on what I considered to be certainties to run in the money!!! Only problem is that they both were extremely poorly driven! Yes I know that you take your chances when you back anyone but the good drivers! However in small fields and stakes of $15k you would think the drivers would have enough intellect to put the horse in the race, and not flash home too late?? Yes talking through my wallet however it is pathetic that the Stipes will accept this as acceptable! You can see why some drivers get outside drives snd others dont! It is frustrating when you have one that you feel should have run somewhere,but even the good drivers don't get it right every time. I just watched race 5 at addington. I didn't back it but i did watch the $2.50 favorite ardens pursuit driven by john dunn. That was a very indecisive drive. He pushed out with just under 1000m to run,then immediately seemed to want to take cover,then seemed unsure what to do for the next 200m then get squeezed up for the last 600m. Yet he was a $2.50 favorite and was racing in the clear at the 900m. Hope you weren't on that one brodie. Just one of those races where tactics played abig part for some.I actually did think jaccka opa was a bit of a sitter in that race and s thornley too made the decision to get trapped amongst them and hope for luck,which never came. Then you had m williamson who got pushed onto the pegs so tried his luck and went from 11th to first and never went around a horse. Just happens sometimes,can be very frustrating but having everyone trying to make the right tactical decisions is the main thing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 (edited) 12 minutes ago, the galah said: It is frustrating when you have one that you feel should have run somewhere,but even the good drivers don't get it right every time. I just watched race 5 at addington. I didn't back it but i did watch the $2.50 favorite ardens pursuit driven by john dunn. That was a very indecisive drive. He pushed out with just under 1000m to run,then immediately seemed to want to take cover,then seemed unsure what to do for the next 200m then get squeezed up for the last 600m. Yet he was a $2.50 favorite and was racing in the clear at the 900m. Hope you weren't on that one brodie. Just one of those races where tactics played abig part for some.I actually did think jaccka opa was a bit of a sitter in that race and s thornley too made the decision to get trapped amongst them and hope for luck,which never came. Then you had m williamson who got pushed onto the pegs so tried his luck and went from 11th to first and never went around a horse. Just happens sometimes,can be very frustrating but having everyone trying to make the right tactical decisions is the main thing . I am not going to name them, but if I was the owners of the 2 horses that I off loaded on, both drivers should not be on them again! That isnt going go happen with these horses, however I believe that both should be fined more-so than Colin de fillippi who has been fined many times for trying too hard to win. If they started handling out fines for these poor drives, it might damn well make them try harder! The TAB would be happy if Brodie stopped investing with them, but if these drivers are going to continue to drive poorly and not put their horse into the race till too late, then he may do! Edited March 22 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Great racing at Auckland tonight Brodie.... Most of the best drivers there too ! Sadly too few horses up North but when the South sends up its best and either the big stakes up or horses trying to qualify for series finals the racing can be exciting ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 15 hours ago, Brodie said: would think the drivers would have enough intellect to put the horse in the race, thought they were driving very passively at Auckland too Brodster. Republican Party should of been up outside Don't Stop Dreaming (who was in the parked out position) at the quarter , when they really quickened up . they are Fast Class Cup horses. and dawdled down the back straight in 29 seconds ,second last quarter and NO ONE went up to look at Kango ? before turning for home even? Absolute Gift for Natalie just cruised on past Kango up the home straight . Blair gave his horse no chance of getting anywhere near them . ? Natalie Not so Lucky in the GN Derby though. ? stable-mate road block lol...😄😅 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 11 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Sadly too few horses up North but when the South sends up its best and either the big stakes up or horses trying to qualify for series finals the racing can be exciting I see your ENTAIN TAB mate Big Dean has taken the Derby again TABman . as he tries to strengthen the North with stacks of horses at Barry's. COLD CHISEL (now that's a good Aussie name 😉) winning the Great northern Derby well , after beautiful trip in the trail from good draw. QLDer Dean will be beaming with delight ! and thinking NZ Derby now , as he won both the Derbies with good horse 'Merlin' last year. Great to see he has Put the 'North Island' back on the NZ map ! 😅 (great wins in the Oaks and FFA to those firey Southerners though with Adore Me's foal for Carter🏆 and the potential Akld and NZ Cup winner in 'Don't Stop Dreaming' 🏆) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 16 hours ago, Brodie said: I am not going to name them, but if I was the owners of the 2 horses that I off loaded on, both drivers should not be on them again! That isnt going go happen with these horses, however I believe that both should be fined more-so than Colin de fillippi who has been fined many times for trying too hard to win. If they started handling out fines for these poor drives, it might damn well make them try harder! The TAB would be happy if Brodie stopped investing with them, but if these drivers are going to continue to drive poorly and not put their horse into the race till too late, then he may do! Why would you not name the horses you lost ya dough on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Why would you not name the horses you lost ya dough on? Before offloading on them, I knew they were both below average in driving ability! However in small fields it was hard to see either of them out of the first 3 placing unless they drove poorly! Yep they both drove poorly. Punters invest with the TAB on good faith and should be able to expect that drivers have a modicum of respect for this. the owners pay the large training bills and also should expect the driver to do best to win $ for them! It doesn’t actually do a lot for the harness racing industry when these poorer drivers are out on the track being so timid that they give their horse absolutely no chance of winning for the punter and owner. Start fining these ones who are just passengers in the cart and they will change their way of driving! Harming the industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Before offloading on them, I knew they were both below average in driving ability! However in small fields it was hard to see either of them out of the first 3 placing unless they drove poorly! Yep they both drove poorly. Punters invest with the TAB on good faith and should be able to expect that drivers have a modicum of respect for this. the owners pay the large training bills and also should expect the driver to do best to win $ for them! It doesn’t actually do a lot for the harness racing industry when these poorer drivers are out on the track being so timid that they give their horse absolutely no chance of winning for the punter and owner. Start fining these ones who are just passengers in the cart and they will change their way of driving! Harming the industry You might find if they don't get paid for finishing 6th and beyond and maybe also slow down the descent in the ratings they may all go a bit better, sometimes they are just going through the motions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, mikeynz said: You might find if they don't get paid for finishing 6th and beyond and maybe also slow down the descent in the ratings they may all go a bit better, sometimes they are just going through the motions. I believe that the 2 drivers in question just lack the ability to be a successful driver. You can see why the top drivers like Blair Orange, John and Dexter Dunn, Herlihy, Carter etc. just have more nous than the poor drivers. They have more up top and the desire to actually do well rather than just jumping in the cart and seeing what happens. It is very frustrating when you offload and you nave no control over what the driver does out on the track!!!! As I say there needs to be change so that the punters have some confidence or they will drop out. Absolutely pointless owning a horse and putting on drivers if they are going to sit at the back and run home! Put them in the race or let someone professional drive them!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 18 hours ago, Brodie said: I believe that the 2 drivers in question just lack the ability to be a successful driver. You can see why the top drivers like Blair Orange, John and Dexter Dunn, Herlihy, Carter etc. just have more nous than the poor drivers. They have more up top and the desire to actually do well rather than just jumping in the cart and seeing what happens. It is very frustrating when you offload and you nave no control over what the driver does out on the track!!!! As I say there needs to be change so that the punters have some confidence or they will drop out. Absolutely pointless owning a horse and putting on drivers if they are going to sit at the back and run home! Put them in the race or let someone professional drive them!!!! Well, we will never know because you havnt named anyone. So pretty useless post really… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 4 hours ago, Newmarket said: Well, we will never know because you havnt named anyone. So pretty useless post really… It isnt meant to be a name and shame post Newmarket! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 On 23/03/2024 at 1:38 PM, Brodie said: Punters invest with the TAB on good faith and should be able to expect that drivers have a modicum of respect Start fining these ones who are just passengers in the cart and they will change their way of driving! Fines distributed to aggrieved investors ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Fines distributed to aggrieved investors ? You would only need to start fining them and they would soon realise that it is not worth it to be less than average! What it would do is to make the harness industry have more level of professionalism and credibility If there were less drivers then the better drivers would pick up the drives that the poor drivers were currently getting! Would be a major win for the sport as it is frustrating to invest on a horse that continually has a poor driver up! I am sure in the major tracks in the United States, it is only the top drivers getting all the drives without the mug ones! Edited March 24 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 On 24/03/2024 at 11:21 AM, Newmarket said: So pretty useless post really… Unless you are the OP and needed to vent !!#$!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, Brodie said: Would be a major win for the sport as it is frustrating to invest on a horse that continually has a poor driver up! I am sure in the major tracks in the United States, it is only the top drivers getting all the drives without the mug ones! You are arguing AGAINST a feature of your New Zealand harness racing though Brodster. Yes even away from the Main centres of Yonkers, Meadowlands and that the American racing virtually has the same drivers (all pro's with thousands of drives each mostly) and even here in Brisbane the same thing is happening . same drivers every race, same horses every week. And SO, as you accurately said on occasion , It all becomes a BIT Boring !! all the races look the same. I hardly watch any of them . Aus and Usa harness racing Is/are Boring. You have such variety there. much More Interesting . the grass racing , there's amateur drivers even, left and right, up and down.... excellent stuff . I still watch a bit of it after 30 years lol..... The drivers do get fined don't they ?? have seen Maurice, Mango, CJD, and Paul Nairn was fined recently for not trying apparently. ?? pick on the old boys they do ?? 😆😄 get some more kids out there like Carter and Crystal and that going great guns... old boys need there rest these days 😁 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 3/23/2024 at 9:57 AM, Gammalite said: I see your ENTAIN TAB mate Big Dean has taken the Derby again TABman . as he tries to strengthen the North with stacks of horses at Barry's. COLD CHISEL (now that's a good Aussie name 😉) winning the Great northern Derby well , after beautiful trip in the trail from good draw. QLDer Dean will be beaming with delight ! and thinking NZ Derby now , as he won both the Derbies with good horse 'Merlin' last year. Great to see he has Put the 'North Island' back on the NZ map ! 😅 (great wins in the Oaks and FFA to those firey Southerners though with Adore Me's foal for Carter🏆 and the potential Akld and NZ Cup winner in 'Don't Stop Dreaming' 🏆) Big Dean been winning a lot of races in recent years at ATC.His filly BelleOf Montana won several Group races there as well. Throw in Merv Butterworths wins with Copy That etc and June Feiss with several goodies including Self Assured and Aussie owners have been quite dominant. On the reverse several NZ owners do well in Aussie ,apart from the dozens who sell to make a quid. Recently one small Kiwi owner won a race at ATC and announced it was many years since he won at ATC but had chalked up 150 wins in Australia ! And horses like Cash N Flow have been eftpos cards for their Kiwi owners. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 22/03/2024 at 6:06 PM, Brodie said: Had a couple of goes on what I considered to be certainties to run in the money!!! Only problem is that they both were extremely poorly driven! Yes I know that you take your chances when you back anyone but the good drivers! However in small fields and stakes of $15k you would think the drivers would have enough intellect to put the horse in the race, and not flash home too late?? Yes talking through my wallet however it is pathetic that the Stipes will accept this as acceptable! You can see why some drivers get outside drives snd others dont! Pandaia was never going to beat Princess Meritaten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, Nowornever said: Pandaia was never going to beat Princess Meritaten Wasnt that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Brodie said: Wasnt that! my guess is you backed verducci driven by jessica young for a place in race 1 at addington on friday night. Personally i think it would have been easier if you just named the couple that you thought drove poorly. Drivers named should know not to take it personally if a punter isn't happy with a drive. I know some do,but personally i think thats an over reaction. More important things for them to worry about than if a punter thinks you didn't drive the perfect race.That type of thing is just part of the sport,and any sport for that matter. By naming them brodie,your not complaining about every driver outside the ones you mentioned. thats why personally i am specific when i complain about a drive. Although i mostly limit myself to having a moan if i don't think someone is trying.each to their own i suppose. Edited March 26 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 3/23/2024 at 9:57 AM, Gammalite said: I see your ENTAIN TAB mate Big Dean has taken the Derby again TABman . as he tries to strengthen the North with stacks of horses at Barry's. COLD CHISEL (now that's a good Aussie name 😉) winning the Great northern Derby well , after beautiful trip in the trail from good draw. QLDer Dean will be beaming with delight ! and thinking NZ Derby now , as he won both the Derbies with good horse 'Merlin' last year. Great to see he has Put the 'North Island' back on the NZ map ! 😅 (great wins in the Oaks and FFA to those firey Southerners though with Adore Me's foal for Carter🏆 and the potential Akld and NZ Cup winner in 'Don't Stop Dreaming' 🏆) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Just now, Norman said: Good on Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 36 minutes ago, Norman said: Good on Dean yes he sure is a lucky bugger. 🍀 winning the 2 Derbies with Merlin last year. Dean had missed out buying Merlin's half brother 'Magician' at the yearlings sales . as went for $200,000 and now at Dalgety's . Dean was the under bidder and saved a lot of money. Magician won a trial on Tuesday for his bunch of owners but looks well short of being anywhere near a Nz Derby prospect in the Spring. So Dean had bought Cold Chisel instead at that sale . winner of the GN Derby last week.. and must be near fav for the Nz Derby now after that ?. Dean Shannon could get the Double Derby Double lol...? . the DDD for big D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 22/03/2024 at 6:06 PM, Brodie said: Only problem is that they both were extremely poorly driven! Have you offered to drive them ? I see you are still licensed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 3/27/2024 at 2:01 PM, Rangatira said: Have you offered to drive them ? I see you are still licensed. he has put out the white arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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