Wingman Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Key point as highlighted in a previous post Avondale not expected to be required beyond 2025/26 season and discussions with the club are ongoing. The future of Tauranga continues to be uncertain with a decision as to the land being used to build a hospital not expected until next year. Waikato are still working on a "Master facilities Plan" (Their words, not mine) Proposed installation of irrigation at both Hawera and Waverley will improve their availability to race. Wairoa have officially been given the boot. Then the 'smokey, statement. Quote ' Discussions continue about the long term venue for Hawkes Bay RI' unquote. Woodville is safe until 2029, personally I think they should be considered safe permanent but NZTR seem to have an irritation with Woodville. Raced fine today. The other 'smokey' statement is as follows, quote"NZTR understands that the potential redevelopment of RACE Trentham, IF IT PROCEEDS, is likely to commence after Wellington Cup week in Jan 2026" unquote. South Island no change as we currently know it except confirmation that will continue to race at Oamaru and Timaru. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Wingman said: Key point as highlighted in a previous post Avondale not expected to be required beyond 2025/26 season and discussions with the club are ongoing. The future of Tauranga continues to be uncertain with a decision as to the land being used to build a hospital not expected until next year. Waikato are still working on a "Master facilities Plan" (Their words, not mine) Proposed installation of irrigation at both Hawera and Waverley will improve their availability to race. Wairoa have officially been given the boot. Then the 'smokey, statement. Quote ' Discussions continue about the long term venue for Hawkes Bay RI' unquote. Woodville is safe until 2029, personally I think they should be considered safe permanent but NZTR seem to have an irritation with Woodville. Raced fine today. The other 'smokey' statement is as follows, quote"NZTR understands that the potential redevelopment of RACE Trentham, IF IT PROCEEDS, is likely to commence after Wellington Cup week in Jan 2026" unquote. South Island no change as we currently know it except confirmation that will continue to race at Oamaru and Timaru. Agree. It's certainly not a "plan" as it is labelled. Just "we understand", "if" and "when". What a crock of shit if they are serious about their stated objectives. Developing a 5-year programme for reconstruction and/or upgrading of our key venues and a budget for undertaking the necessary work, and developing the order of priority for undertaking each identified track reconstruction/update Continuing to advance discussions on potential Bay of Plenty and Waikato Regional solutions and supporting clubs in in Canterbury and the Central Districts in an endeavour to agree regional solutions for racing, trials, and training in their regions, considering the expected impact of the synthetic tracks at Riccarton Park and Awapuni. Encouraging clubs to work together in regions to deliver a sustainable footprint of racetracks and customer facilities Where the fluck is all that. This is just more airy fairy nonsense. Edited May 3 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Cannot afford to get rid of a single track , the clowns haven't learnt already. More corporate BS from the circus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 38 minutes ago, Huey said: Cannot afford to get rid of a single track , the clowns haven't learnt already. More corporate BS from the circus. Sharrock did say on Weigh In there'd be no surprises! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I just hope this equipment he says they've been investing in includes a couple of ploughs and the people investment includes a few who can operate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 9 hours ago, curious said: Agree. It's certainly not a "plan" as it is labelled. Just "we understand", "if" and "when". What a crock of shit if they are serious about their stated objectives. ..... Where the fluck is all that. This is just more airy fairy nonsense. sigh, I think it a reflection of a industry that has had So many (miss)'leadership' changers, that the next one in X job, just picks up the same gobbledygook dawdle! now wait for the Pollyanna's to follow up with their sycophantic dribble... Talking tracks: how many race days have be f' up with the 'playing god' act of Overwatering to meet a man made rating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 There are so many neglected tracks that over watering appears to be a given no matter what time of the year. NZTR site says for Te Rapa no rain last 24 hours, 10mm last 7 days. Then has the temerity to describe todays track as a heavy8 which is officially 'Rain affected track that horses will get into.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 hour ago, Wingman said: There are so many neglected tracks that over watering appears to be a given no matter what time of the year. NZTR site says for Te Rapa no rain last 24 hours, 10mm last 7 days. Then has the temerity to describe todays track as a heavy8 which is officially 'Rain affected track that horses will get into.' Yeah. I had a runner in an open 1000 last year at Riccarton, he won in 58.6, home 33.5....Heavy 8. Really? It's not really possible to take their readings at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 3 hours ago, Freda said: It's not really possible to take their readings at face value. hence: what rational punter would want to bet into pool$ run those tracks... it's like we are being waterboarded! and then! low and beholder anyone who finds the need to voice concern! cancelling for those sorts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 Super Photon won easily in Te Rapa's main race today, 2yo 1400. Tellingly jockey McNab was honest (read BRAVE, enough) to say despite winning the horse did not handle the track conditions (over watered..my words). I accept interest starts to wane by late autumn for many but this fixation with over watering IMO is losing turnover because trust is out the window. Here is a question; did the warm fav Domain Ace get well beaten by not seeing out the step up to 1400m or was it it due to another dodgy track? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 4 hours ago, Wingman said: Super Photon won easily in Te Rapa's main race today, 2yo 1400. Tellingly jockey McNab was honest (read BRAVE, enough) to say despite winning the horse did not handle the track conditions (over watered..my words). I accept interest starts to wane by late autumn for many but this fixation with over watering IMO is losing turnover because trust is out the window. Here is a question; did the warm fav Domain Ace get well beaten by not seeing out the step up to 1400m or was it it due to another dodgy track? There was no irrigation applied during the week according to club reports. How can you say it was over watered? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted May 4 Author Share Posted May 4 That track was irrigated, no ifs or buts. Bottom line do not believe what they write (no rain previous 24 hours, 10mm last 7 days, no comment re irrigation) and starts out as a heavy 8 and races accordingly. Use your eyes to decide the state of the track 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 38 minutes ago, Wingman said: That track was irrigated, no ifs or buts. Bottom line do not believe what they write (no rain previous 24 hours, 10mm last 7 days, no comment re irrigation) and starts out as a heavy 8 and races accordingly. Use your eyes to decide the state of the track But you have no proof they irrigated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: But you have no proof they irrigated. I'm told they didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, curious said: I'm told they didn't. Given the amount of rain during the weeks prior and the lack of drying conditions the track condition is plausible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Given the amount of rain during the weeks prior and the lack of drying conditions the track condition is plausible. Of course that shouldn't detract from the Venue Plan being a crock of BS and spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 hours ago, Wingman said: That track was irrigated, no ifs or buts. Bottom line do not believe what they write (no rain previous 24 hours, 10mm last 7 days, no comment re irrigation) and starts out as a heavy 8 and races accordingly. Use your eyes to decide the state of the track All thru the year the track conditions in NZ vary from place to place from week to week ! Especially at certain times of year when polar blast heads north and scotch mist arrives. A lot of tracks never had irrigation which added to the puzzle. Maybe a good reason to cut down on tracks ? Keep the picnic tracks who do so well in their traditional spots on calendar. And spend more on track preparation and maintenance...yes they doing that now , its the plan and money being spent. If you want real consistency , bet more on the Synthetics maybe....similar all year round ????? But calling every track dodgy is maybe heading toward paranoia ! And blameing NZTR for every little hiccup in racing is also stretching it a bit.....the clubs maybe not taking their responsibilities of tracks serious enough ,both the condition of them or the reporting of them.There is more information required and given out nowdays ....is it being done accurately ? Whatever ,NZTR have added another layer to track management , no doubt at great cost ,money which could have been spent elsewhere ? A lot of questions re tracks ,I'm sure the regulars will have a bit to say. Must have a few bets on Synthetic today . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, TAB For Ever said: Whatever ,NZTR have added another layer to track management , no doubt at great cost ,money which could have been spent elsewhere ? Do you mean the regional track advisors, some of whom have been responsible themselves for some of the biggest f ups? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: But calling every track dodgy is maybe heading toward paranoia ! Uh? You've repeatedly quoted Mesara has saying that very thing or words to that effect. Are you equivocating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 hours ago, curious said: Do you mean the regional track advisors, some of whom have been responsible themselves for some of the biggest f ups? Blame game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Uh? You've repeatedly quoted Mesara has saying that very thing or words to that effect. Are you equivocating? Messara said 'not one decent track' , I refer to a comment/query above from Wingman about Saturday's Two year old race.He asked was it another 'dodgy' track.........I think you started this paranoia Chief. A group of us looked at Auckland facilities these past couple of days. You will be pleased to know Chief ,Alex Park looking good but more importantly Ellerslie track looked amazing and the grass surface looked superb. By spring it will perform brilliantly .2024-25 season gonna be a cracker ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Arguably the best track we have seen in the country over the last few weeks has been Timaru. And yet they are a totally despised club, only just hanging in there while some of the greatest intellects the game has ever seen are desperate to move all their meetings to the Riccarton AWT. Strange old world. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 5 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Messara said 'not one decent track' , I refer to a comment/query above from Wingman about Saturday's Two year old race.He asked was it another 'dodgy' track.........I think you started this paranoia Chief. A group of us looked at Auckland facilities these past couple of days. You will be pleased to know Chief ,Alex Park looking good but more importantly Ellerslie track looked amazing and the grass surface looked superb. By spring it will perform brilliantly .2024-25 season gonna be a cracker ! Certainly a big year next year. The Warriors and Ellerslie both doing their thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 25 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: but more importantly Ellerslie track looked amazing and the grass surface looked superb. It apparently looked super Karaka Millions night. Did you try slipping on it? Did you have our umbrella penetrometer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted May 5 Author Share Posted May 5 You are away with the fairies TAB for Eva. Tracks that are continually overwatered and under maintained will become dodgy. Punters in particular dodge them. You may well be Peter Pan looking for the next fix with a few dollars bet here and there but the serious punters like myself who create turnover are more and more walking away. There is nothing more depressing reading after the event about horses who refuse to let down because of shifty track conditions. Ellerslie who you keep harping on as being in magnificent condition is a disgrace. Massive money spent on a fool proof track and it is only fools like you who are amazed by its condition. Remember the industry were assured it would handle whateva weather...yeah right. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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