Freda Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, SLB2.0 said: Unless Warren Kennedy is doing meth, he should have it in the bag. You could argue big race wins for Opie, but the rest...no chance. Jeez, didn't mean to imply that wash my mouth out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 On 30/07/2024 at 2:46 PM, Chief Stipe said: Owner of the Year: Barneswood Farm, Denise Bassett and John Elstob, Eddie Bourke, Gerry Harvey, Ben Kwok, Brendan and Jo Lindsay Partnership, Colin and Helen Litt, Daniel Nakhle, The Oaks Stud, Kelvin and Vanessa Tyler, Waikato Stud. are the Tab offering odds for this? how to select? wins? greatest investment lo$$ or $$$ won? there does seem to be some missing? syndicate owned horses owners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: there does seem to be some missing? syndicate owned horses owners? Yeah. That's a bit odd isn't it? OWNER PREMIERSHIP AWARD* Managed by New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing The owner who has accumulated the highest number of points under the specified criteria during the season under review. That surely could be a syndicate but I can't see how the points are awarded? Anyone found that?1 Edited July 31 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Oh. Here it is. OWNER OF THE YEAR* Managed by New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Finalists: Finalists comprise owners, whose New Zealand-based horses, which are sole, partnership, company or registered syndicate-owned, have earned the highest points in all races in New Zealand and Pattern Races anywhere else in the world determined by the points system. The number of finalists for Owner of the Year is at the discretion of the Recommendations Panel. Definition of Owner: 1. An Owner must be registered on NZTR’s database of Owners and an active Owner for the season under review 2. A Trainer must hold an NZ Trainer’s Licence in the season under review. 3. A Syndicate Manager(s) is included as part of each individually named syndicate. 4. In the event that ownership of a horse changes during the season under review that horse will score points for each respective owner while under their ownership. Page 5 of 6 Points are allocated as follows: First Second Third Group One 12 8 6 Group Two 10 6 4 Group Three 9 5 3 Listed 8 4 2 PJR 8 4 2 Open Hdcp 6 R85 4 R75 3 R65 2 Maiden 1 Where NZTR has details of an owner’s percentage ownership in each syndicate, all these percentages are added together. Selection of winner: Each member of the Voting Panel nominates one finalist. The winner is the Owner with the highest number of total votes submitted to the Auditor by the Voting Panel before the prescribed deadline (see Voting Paper) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, curious said: The number of finalists for Owner of the Year is at the discretion of the Recommendations Panel. who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, curious said: Selection of winner: Each member of the Voting Panel nominates one finalist. The winner is the Owner with the highest number of total votes submitted so subjective in the end? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, SLB2.0 said: Unless Warren Kennedy is doing meth, he should have it in the bag. You could argue big race wins for Opie, but the rest...no chance. Opie has won $9.5m vs Kennedy's $5.9m. Opie has a strike rate of 3.92 in NZ - Kennedy 6.08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 On 30/07/2024 at 2:46 PM, Chief Stipe said: New Zealand Thoroughbred Horse of the Year finalists: Official Ratings, shouldn't that be the Judge? For me, The 4 horses that impressed me the most last season were Imperatriz, Crocetti, Orchestral and Legarto. Imperatriz HOY Orchestral for 3 year olds. Special mention for La Crique, two bets for two wins! with thank$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: Official Ratings, shouldn't that be the Judge? For me, The 4 horses that impressed me the most last season were Imperatriz, Crocetti, Orchestral and Legarto. Imperatriz HOY Orchestral for 3 year olds. Special mention for La Crique, two bets for two wins! with thank$ What about 2yr olds? Remember Our Maizcay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It's weird. At the top it says: Page 2 of 6 1. JOCKEY PREMIERSHIP AWARD* Managed by New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing The jockey who has accumulated the highest number of race wins in NZ races during the season under review. The winner must have been licensed as a Jockey by NZTR for all or part of the season under review. Further down it says: 13. JOCKEY OF THE YEAR* Managed by New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Finalists: a. The jockey whose mounts in the season under review have won most Group and Listed races in NZ b. The jockey whose mounts in the season under review have won most stake money in NZ c. The NZ Jockeys’ Premiership winner in the season under review d. Not more than two nominees nominated by the NZJA from outside of the above finalists Finalists must have been domiciled in New Zealand for more than half of the season under review. Selection of winner: Each member of the Voting Panel nominates one finalist. The winner is the Jockey with the highest number of total votes submitted to the Auditor by the Voting Panel before the prescribed deadline (see Voting Paper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Or maybe those are two different awards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, curious said: It's weird. At the top it says: Page 2 of 6 1. JOCKEY PREMIERSHIP AWARD* Managed by New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing The jockey who has accumulated the highest number of race wins in NZ races during the season under review. The winner must have been licensed as a Jockey by NZTR for all or part of the season under review. Further down it says: 13. JOCKEY OF THE YEAR* Managed by New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Finalists: a. The jockey whose mounts in the season under review have won most Group and Listed races in NZ b. The jockey whose mounts in the season under review have won most stake money in NZ c. The NZ Jockeys’ Premiership winner in the season under review d. Not more than two nominees nominated by the NZJA from outside of the above finalists Finalists must have been domiciled in New Zealand for more than half of the season under review. Selection of winner: Each member of the Voting Panel nominates one finalist. The winner is the Jockey with the highest number of total votes submitted to the Auditor by the Voting Panel before the prescribed deadline (see Voting Paper). So there are TWO awards for top Jockey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So there are TWO awards for top Jockey? Correct. One is for the winning the premiership which is automatic ie it is decided already and the other is by panel vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Correct. One is for the winning the premiership which is automatic ie it is decided already and the other is by panel vote. Well who would you choose for the second? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Opie has won $9.5m vs Kennedy's $5.9m. Opie has a strike rate of 3.92 in NZ - Kennedy 6.08. Sure - on that basis, a jockey who wins the Everest or Golden Eagle in Australia would leapfrog most jockeys with significantly fewer wins. You can't use stakes as a guide to who is the best jockey, but you can use number of group and listed wins (to stop someone from the bush winning). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: What about 2yr olds? Remember Our Maizcay? The challenge I think with any 2yr olds winning the HOY, is that they usually don't race against the older horses, like the top 3yr olds do in the late summer/autumn period. Talking Our Maizcay, at Trentham one day, it was down to do a gallop between races, he was being lead from the stables into the path that leads to the birdcage, No ropes up, people walking all around! He spooked out! he got rather upset and let out with a massive kick that just missed a punter! wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 28 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: The challenge I think with any 2yr olds winning the HOY, is that they usually don't race against the older horses, like the top 3yr olds do in the late summer/autumn period. Talking Our Maizcay, at Trentham one day, it was down to do a gallop between races, he was being lead from the stables into the path that leads to the birdcage, No ropes up, people walking all around! He spooked out! he got rather upset and let out with a massive kick that just missed a punter! wow! I was actually asking who your pick was for 2yr old HOTY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 33 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I was actually asking who your pick was for 2yr old HOTY. (blush), I don't have one, mainly because I sort if didn't put much effort into trying to understand the form etc for that age group! All the wet track on so many of the big race days didn't help! I think reflected in the fact that all NZ G1's were won by a different horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well who would you choose for the second? As far as I can see there are only 2 realistic chances, Kennedy and Bosson. McNab, Doyle, Grylls and Spratt will get bugger all votes between them. I would vote for Opie He rode his 2000th NZ winner during the season and won 5 G1 races in Australia along with 12 stakes races here including 3 G1s. Strike rate of 3.92 also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 4 hours ago, All The Aces said: I would vote for Opie He rode his 2000th NZ winner during the season and won 5 G1 races in Australia along with 12 stakes races here including 3 G1s. Strike rate of 3.92 also. tick. I'm sure WK will be happy with his premiership! hard earned! v's Opie with 8!!!!!! G1's wow! nz racing should be so thankful that he ended up making NZ his base for most of his career, given options overseas I'm sure he would have done well as well! So easy on the eye, so often seems to read the race well. And like the really top once so often gets the best out of his ride. ps. I have never meet him personally, so that is missing in my overall view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, Murray Fish said: tick. I'm sure WK will be happy with his premiership! hard earned! v's Opie with 8!!!!!! G1's wow! nz racing should be so thankful that he ended up making NZ his base for most of his career, given options overseas I'm sure he would have done well as well! So easy on the eye, so often seems to read the race well. And like the really top once so often gets the best out of his ride. ps. I have never meet him personally, so that is missing in my overall view. I've met him. Sharp guy. How many NZ based Jockeys perform in OZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 7/31/2024 at 7:35 PM, Chief Stipe said: Well who would you choose for the second? I'd give my vote to WKennedy for both Awards... Obviously wins the Premiership....TICK Jockey of Year As well as most wins won the most G & L races in NZ.....Tick Won the most $ for owners in NZ...Tick Yes had 2nd most rides but that a plus , was keen available and travelled...Tick Had to make contacts and build relationships and earn trust ...Tick Achieved all above in only Year 2 in a new Country where largely unknown previous.....Tick Impressed with his assessment of horses and gave useful advice to trainers post race.....Tick Gave masterclass on New Years Day Group race day......6 x wins.......Tick Jockey of the Year....indeed ! JMO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 9 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: I'd give my vote to WKennedy for both Awards... Obviously wins the Premiership....TICK Jockey of Year As well as most wins won the most G & L races in NZ.....Tick Opie Only NZ based jockey to win multiple G1 races in Australia (5) Won the most $ for owners in NZ...Tick Kennedy average stakes return per ride $7087.10 Opie $12075.06 Yes had 2nd most rides but that a plus , was keen available and travelled...Tick Opie travelled to Australia. Kennedy upped his NZ travel in order to beat McNab in the premiership. Had to make contacts and build relationships and earn trust ...Tick Opie had to mantain relationships and keep trust Achieved all above in only Year 2 in a new Country where largely unknown previous.....Tick Meanwhile Opie rode his 2000th NZ winner Impressed with his assessment of horses and gave useful advice to trainers post race.....Tick And Opie doesn't Gave masterclass on New Years Day Group race day......6 x wins.......Tick Jockey of the Year....indeed ! JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Kennedy average stakes return per ride $7087.10 Opie $12075.06 And that is not even counting the Aussie rides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 11 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Had to make contacts and build relationships and earn trust Not hard when you are a senior experienced jockey who can ride light. We are short on those in NZ. 11 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Impressed with his assessment of horses and gave useful advice to trainers post race Who said that? 11 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: As well as most wins won the most G & L races in NZ.....Tick Won the most $ for owners in NZ I would suggest Opie won the most $ for NZ owners. Nearly twice as much in fact. Opie competed and won against arguably the most concentrated group of world class Jockeys in OZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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