Chief Stipe Posted August 22 Author Share Posted August 22 11 hours ago, Wingman said: I am not comfortable with this continual stealth towards the north. At what point in time (2030?) are all G1 races held in Waikato/Auckland and how does this help grassroot development when you exclude diversity? I know some might say I'm drawing some long bows here. But hasn't the strength of NZ Racing been its diversity? Has that diversity produced quality horses that can compete in the most pressured racing environments anywhere? I won't mention Rough Habit, the Veandercross, Sunline as that would be reminiscing a bit too far back. How about Verry Elleegant - didn't she win her maiden at Ruakaka? Imperatriz won her maiden at Otaki and the Kerikeri Cup at Ruakaka before dominating the best in OZ. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 13 hours ago, Wingman said: I am not comfortable with this continual stealth towards the north. At what point in time (2030?) are all G1 races held in Waikato/Auckland and how does this help grassroot development when you exclude diversity? They have no interest in grass roots ,if you're grass roots get what you can out of it over the next few years , after that you will be gone. As CS has pointed out it isn't sustainable, but they don't care they have very little interest or empathy for the industry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 On 21/08/2024 at 3:11 PM, Chief Stipe said: Good point. Cheaper to go to Otaki than all the way to Auckland from the South Island. Perhaps Entain will fund regular flights? Why would they , they don't want you at their party spoiling the celebrations. They want your idols filling half the field and Go racing & whoever else is silly enough to pay stupid $$ for hyped up bloodstock at the sales there , I'm not sure why this hasn't become apparent to most in the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 22 Author Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Huey said: Why would they , they don't want you at their party spoiling the celebrations. They want your idols filling half the field and Go racing & whoever else is silly enough to pay stupid $$ for hyped up bloodstock at the sales there , I'm not sure why this hasn't become apparent to most in the industry. I disagree with your comment regarding over valued bloodstock. An auction market sets its own price. Many many horses they couldn't give away but that's a completely different topic. On this topic I get the impression trainers from the very large to the very small are extremely nervous about the situation at Ellerslie. I don't understand how limited trainer involvement and influence has been. You mention Go Racing and elude to Te Akau - both have indicated publicly that there are limited opportunities for young sprinters in NZ hence both having to target races in OZ. For example up until it raced on Wedensday Go Racing were taking Velocious to OZ. Go Figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 22 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I disagree with your comment regarding over valued bloodstock. An auction market sets its own price. Many many horses they couldn't give away but that's a completely different topic. On this topic I get the impression trainers from the very large to the very small are extremely nervous about the situation at Ellerslie. I don't understand how limited trainer involvement and influence has been. You mention Go Racing and elude to Te Akau - both have indicated publicly that there are limited opportunities for young sprinters in NZ hence both having to target races in OZ. For example up until it raced on Wedensday Go Racing were taking Velocious to OZ. Go Figure. Once again programming. Doesn't seem to have been solved by slot races and sales races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Freda said: What I don't understand, is that how two countries, very similar ethnically, and with almost identical political and societal principles, can be so goddam different with their approach to racing. They love to punt. NZ less so. As an example a country cup meeting over there gets a lot of attention which helps turnover and encourages sponsors. What genuine country cup meetings do we still have, particularly with a Saturday date? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Freda said: But economics should be the reason for those changes, not ideology. As the 'rate of profit declined', there has been a need for a more 'hands on approach', driven by the voting power of the Big Clubs! as ever, In whose Interest$? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 minutes ago, Wingman said: They love to punt. NZ less so. As an example a country cup meeting over there gets a lot of attention which helps turnover and encourages sponsors. What genuine country cup meetings do we still have, particularly with a Saturday date? Er....Kumara? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I disagree with your comment regarding over valued bloodstock. An auction market sets its own price. Many many horses they couldn't give away but that's a completely different topic. If its slow and you paid big $$ for it , it was over valued . Don't get me started on the BS of Bloodstock auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 5 minutes ago, Huey said: If its slow and you paid big $$ for it , it was over valued . Don't get me started on the BS of Bloodstock auctions. How do you know it's slow before you bid for it? At the end of the day the market paid what it wanted for it. Everyone who bids knows what they are bidding for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: How do you know it's slow before you bid for it? At the end of the day the market paid what it wanted for it. Everyone who bids knows what they are bidding for. Silliest thing you've written in a while CS , bought a few at auction before have you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 2 hours ago, Huey said: Don't get me started on the BS of Bloodstock auctions. please share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 40 minutes ago, Huey said: Silliest thing you've written in a while CS , bought a few at auction before have you. You make vague generalisations and never provide any evidence to support your views. You can improve your odds of getting a fast horse by selecting on breeding, conformation and other factors. Those in the market may share your assessment therefore it becomes a value judgement of how much you are willing to pay. But until you try the horse you don't really know if it can run nor if you got value for money. That's how any bloodstock market works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 8 hours ago, Wingman said: hey love to punt. NZ less so. As an example a country cup meeting over there gets a lot of attention which helps turnover and encourages sponsors. What genuine country cup meetings do we still have, particularly with a Saturday date? Staying with the country cup theme Victoria despite a reduction in betting revenue have committed to maintaining stakes at last seasons levels for this season. They also have a series of $50,000 maiden races culminating in a qualifying race for 250K at the Ballarat cup in early December. That is how an administrative body looks after its grassroot owners/trainers in Victoria all whilst it is during its showcase racing period. Are you paying attention NZTR/taking notes? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But until you try the horse you don't really know if it can run nor if you got value for money. That's how any bloodstock market works. That's about 10% of how a bloodstock market works, go to the sales and find out. You still haven't found out about the pony race yet , very poor form CS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 24 minutes ago, Huey said: You still haven't found out about the pony race yet , very poor form CS. Not sure why you are disinclined to help us out on that @Huey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 19 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: How do you know it's slow before you bid for it? At the end of the day the market paid what it wanted for it. Everyone who bids knows what they are bidding for. imo the horse prices aren't overvalued but inflated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 28 minutes ago, mumbles said: imo the horse prices aren't overvalued but inflated. The old Stud/Bloodstock/Buyer conspiracy theory. Yeah nah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 3 hours ago, Huey said: That's about 10% of how a bloodstock market works, go to the sales and find out. I've been to many sales and know exactly how horse traders work. Been like that ever since Texas Jack tried to buy an Apaloosa off Chief Powhatan. Or more on topic - since Thomas Darley conned Sheikh Mirza II into selling the Bedouin colt - The Darley Arabian. 3 hours ago, Huey said: You still haven't found out about the pony race yet , very poor form CS. Why would I bother when you have the answer and won't publish it. Better things to do than chase your "got the pip" conspiracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Looking at the track surfaces at Otaki and Ellerslie the current curator at Otaki is doing a much superior job than whoever dares put their hand up at Ellerslie. Moving the Otaki WFA to Auckland really is a DUMB idea!! Probably won't be the last dumb idea coming out of headquarters I would suspect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 20 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Looking at the track surfaces at Otaki and Ellerslie the current curator at Otaki is doing a much superior job than whoever dares put their hand up at Ellerslie. Moving the Otaki WFA to Auckland really is a DUMB idea!! Probably won't be the last dumb idea coming out of headquarters I would suspect. Is there a new track manager at Otaki? I know about 12 years ago some weren't happy with the then manager. However I understand they were constrained by the irrigation system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 10 hours ago, curious said: Not sure why you are disinclined to help us out on that @Huey? No point in doing so. CS would just make something up about the moon & grass on the day making the horse a kaimanawa pony. You have to let him work out things for himself, self discovery can be very illuminating! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 3 hours ago, Special Agent said: Looking at the track surfaces at Otaki and Ellerslie the current curator at Otaki is doing a much superior job than whoever dares put their hand up at Ellerslie. Moving the Otaki WFA to Auckland really is a DUMB idea!! Probably won't be the last dumb idea coming out of headquarters I would suspect. Isn't the first either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 On 23/08/2024 at 8:48 AM, Huey said: They want your idols filling half the field and Go racing & I see Chris Waller had half the starters in the GRP 1 Winx stakes yesterday and got the Trifecta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I see Chris Waller had half the starters in the GRP 1 Winx stakes yesterday and got the Trifecta. he present perplexed in the after race interview! At least 3 of his runners put in Winning runs Then, where to be placing next??? Great race well deserving of its G1 tag!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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