TAB For Ever Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 We read so much negativity on-line , isn't it time to take stock of our Assets and see the Equity in NZ Racing . Sure betting on Horse Racing among Kiwis has been dwindling in recent years but the Quality of our Horses and Horse people continues to dazzle. During the weekend the brilliance of Chris Waller and James McDonald again made headlines , as did our NZ -bred horses ...as they do week in and week out. Belclare surely a standout with a great back ground story. Bjorn Baker another who is being noticed as well as to the Collett family who have been riding with much success of late ...don't take my word for it , check their recent winners . Jason ,Alysha and Samantha. Earlier in October Mark Walker had won 7 races from 11 starters including a number of black-type races. The Aussies are surely taking notice. And to cap off a good weekend ,for those who bat for both sides and follow Harness driver Dexter Dunn again won some of USA's top races and is widely considered one of best drivers in world. The above is to get a thread started. Add your own post of Kiwi success and achievement ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 Trainer + Partners Trent Busuttin and Natalie Young doing great kiwi success TABman. currently in Vic. formally of Cambridge. A few years ago they won the Auckland Cup with Sangster , a horse they won the blue riband Victoria Derby with as well. Tagaloa a huge fairly recent 'Blue Diamond' winner too. This Week Trent and Natalie (a winner over a breast cancer battle recent times) have a Great Chance in the time honoured Victoria Derby with KEENELAND on Saturday. best of luck to em'!!! They are very respected kiwi horse trainers having great success with many winners . Uncle Bryn at 70-1 the other day in the Paris Lane Stakes too. 💰 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 Yes NZ does export its very best and finest. Shame we can't keep theme here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 3 hours ago, Trojan said: Shame we can't keep theme here. All LEFT cause they *knew* that there was no future for them here in NZ!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 9 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: The above is to get a thread started. Add your own post of Kiwi success and achievement ! Yet you post nothing of your 'earned' success! You are always reflecting in Others hard work, trying to get under their halo* eh! ps. if brown nosing was a sport..... *halo effect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 4 hours ago, Trojan said: Yes NZ does export its very best and finest. Shame we can't keep theme here. We've been exporting many of our best horses, trainers and riders for a long time. Unfortunately, we now seem to be exporting our best owners and punters at an alarming rate. Among other things, when it's cheaper to fly from Christchurch to Sydney and back than to Hamilton and back, it's little wonder. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted October 27, 2024 Share Posted October 27, 2024 8 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: All LEFT cause they *knew* that there was no future for them here in NZ!! Can't agree with that. one of the best 'Horse minds' in the history of racing has returned. Graeme Rogerson . Won the Melbourne Cup (although more of a LLoyd Williams success that one) but also a Cox Plate and lately Sharp and Smart . Big wins in Sudney and Nz Derby. and he races trotting horses to boot , that are currently winning each week (with help from James Stormont.) left but came back to support Nz racing. Wiremu Pinn came back? . seems a solid type of jockey. 'Can't Kach Me' last Saturday he said😉. Nathan Purdon was winning Group 1's in Australia for Nz owners of Amore Vita who won all sorts not long ago, He has Amazing Dream winning Group 1's too for her American owners while in Oz. Nathan has returned to NZ now, as ''knows' there to be a Future for Nz racing. Please Just tell the bugger to get fit , and drive them himself like his World Class dad did. 😂. instead of slacking off on the sidelines. I saw him win 14 races driving in 3 weeks once in a QLD raid with a team of Trittons . so know he can drive a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Sunday at 10:08 AM Author Share Posted Sunday at 10:08 AM On 10/27/2024 at 11:39 PM, TAB For Ever said: We read so much negativity on-line , isn't it time to take stock of our Assets and see the Equity in NZ Racing . Sure betting on Horse Racing among Kiwis has been dwindling in recent years but the Quality of our Horses and Horse people continues to dazzle. During the weekend the brilliance of Chris Waller and James McDonald again made headlines , as did our NZ -bred horses ...as they do week in and week out. Belclare surely a standout with a great back ground story. Bjorn Baker another who is being noticed as well as to the Collett family who have been riding with much success of late ...don't take my word for it , check their recent winners . Jason ,Alysha and Samantha. Earlier in October Mark Walker had won 7 races from 11 starters including a number of black-type races. The Aussies are surely taking notice. And to cap off a good weekend ,for those who bat for both sides and follow Harness driver Dexter Dunn again won some of USA's top races and is widely considered one of best drivers in world. The above is to get a thread started. Add your own post of Kiwi success and achievement ! Again the last two weeks in April have seen the Kiwi influence to the fore in Australian Thoroughbred racing. Yesterday it was headed by the Waller/James Mac combo with Jason Collett and BBaker chiming in with Group 1 success.And Aleysia Collett nearly tore off the Group 1 Oaks. And Mickey Dee as usual picked up a winner. At the jumps day in Victoria today ex-NZ horses featured prominently while Bevan Laming ,Mark Walker and Brett Scott actually supplied half the horses to race ! Last week was even more oustanding. Waller , Baker JCollett all won Group 1's ...NZ featured in 4 of first 5 in the Group 1 Derby with the brilliant winner being by a son of Dundeel , from Waller stable and out of a mare owned in Nz. Per Incanto also featured on the big stage. DStackhouse ,Micky dee were prominent on the Day as were Busuttin stable and the Brownes...Rhinoceros upset in Victoria. Logan Bates had a win ,Ditto Bevan Laming. And another promising horse by Zed emerged from Bishara barn...Belle Tedelle. And Te Akau went to $1 mil at yearling sales. NZ being noticed across the ditch ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shab Posted Sunday at 12:59 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:59 PM I really don't understand this thread. Waller and McDonald have been on top in Australia for a long time. I don't think the Australians give a hoot that they started off in New Zealand. Bjorn recently became an Australian but he's a good boy as he always talks about how good Murray was in his post race interviews after winning a big one. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Sunday at 09:55 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 09:55 PM 8 hours ago, Shab said: I really don't understand this thread. Waller and McDonald have been on top in Australia for a long time. I don't think the Australians give a hoot that they started off in New Zealand. Bjorn recently became an Australian but he's a good boy as he always talks about how good Murray was in his post race interviews after winning a big one. Well its about Horses and Horse people from NZ ....and in this case success on what is one of the most competitive stages in the world. It's about success and excellence and goes to show that NZ racing can produce and develop world class horses ,jockeys ,trainers etc. Maybe there is a future for NZ racing ,maybe NZ racing is doing some good stuff. What don't you understand ? What threads have you started , what threads would you like to discuss ? Have you got 'skin in the game' . What your interest in NZ racing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted Sunday at 10:11 PM Share Posted Sunday at 10:11 PM It's such a shame that our world class athletes, both human and equine, have to head overseas to realise their goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Sunday at 11:03 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:03 PM 47 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Well its about Horses and Horse people from NZ ....and in this case success on what is one of the most competitive stages in the world. Waller left NZ 26 years ago. Baker left 14 years ago. Both are now naturalised Australians. They have both very rarely ventured back here to race a horse. Yes it is great that they have had success in Australia. 1 hour ago, TAB For Ever said: It's about success and excellence and goes to show that NZ racing can produce and develop world class horses ,jockeys ,trainers etc. About 1 every decade? Sadly the foundation to their success has been decimated in NZ. For example is CD racing going to produce another Chris Waller given the state that districts racing is in? 1 hour ago, TAB For Ever said: Have you got 'skin in the game' . What your interest in NZ racing ? Isn't an interest enough in the first instance? You have told us you have skin in the game but you seem oblivious to the issues facing the industry and as you have said many times you don't care about things you perceive you have no control over. Sadly that attitude isn't going to help produce the next generations of Waller's or Macdonalds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted Sunday at 11:24 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:24 PM Surely having a bet at the TAB and going to the trouble to attend race-meetings is "skin in the game"? And as Chief said, TAB4E does seem oblivious to the issues facing the industry. There is nothing wrong with being blissfully unaware of the issues facing the industry and being happy to plod along and enjoy the moment, but at the same time it is best not to criticise those who have some interest in structural problems and concern for the future of the industry. Constructive criticism is to be encouraged. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted yesterday at 12:48 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 12:48 AM 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Waller left NZ 26 years ago. Baker left 14 years ago. Both are now naturalised Australians. They have both very rarely ventured back here to race a horse. Yes it is great that they have had success in Australia. About 1 every decade? Sadly the foundation to their success has been decimated in NZ. For example is CD racing going to produce another Chris Waller given the state that districts racing is in? Isn't an interest enough in the first instance? You have told us you have skin in the game but you seem oblivious to the issues facing the industry and as you have said many times you don't care about things you perceive you have no control over. Sadly that attitude isn't going to help produce the next generations of Waller's or Macdonalds. Skin in the game never been of concern for me..... I picked it up off you in a post quite recently...I think you mentioned real skin in the game ! What is 'real skin' in the game ? You used it Chief......Have I ever told you I have skin in game...if having a bet and attending the odd meeting is skin in the game [ as per Doomed quote ] then its very thin skin , paper thin ! And can't remember me telling you guys that I had skin in game.......I call it an interest , I bet regularly on small basis ,attend meetings and have a few small shares in a few horses. And in past I've done a bit of mainly volunteer work in print , admin and shovelling shit too ! No more ,no less than the next person.....I base my posts/thoughts on my own experiences and to spread those I've intentionally had involvement in as many facets as possible. eg I've had a go at breeding [very poor] , had shares in 2 yr olds , jumpers , pacers and trotters and tried to get to as many tracks as possible . Basically done enough IMO to form opinions about things racing in both codes [ not dogs]. Problems /issues have always existed in NZ racing and always will. I see them as challenges and it great to see so many issues are being faced on acted on . A great time to be involved ! Jockeys/trainers in NZ never been so well off here , stakes have improved dramatically for NZ owners and those with the X factor and drive can hop over the ditch where its even bigger and better. Punters can now bet on so many things so often. ATR facility getting better by the week ! The worst aspect of NZ racing are those who actually think they important to NZ racing , know all the solutions and could do better than the current lot running the show .......you can't and you don't . Pessimism is for liteweights ! Attitudes are contagious......is yours worth catching ? The good old days were far worse..... In the meantime at least acknowledge the successes our top horses and horse people across NZ and especially in Australia ...they doing NZ proud ! Great Kiwis.....Waller , Baker , McDonald , Savabeel, Dunn, Te Akau ......leading the World . Enjoy it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 02:17 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:17 AM 31 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Problems /issues have always existed in NZ racing and always will. I see them as challenges and it great to see so many issues are being faced on acted on . A great time to be involved ! But you don't accept there are challenges, issues, problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 02:20 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:20 AM 1 hour ago, TAB For Ever said: In the meantime at least acknowledge the successes our top horses and horse people across NZ and especially in Australia ...they doing NZ proud ! Great Kiwis.....Waller , Baker , McDonald , Savabeel, Dunn, Te Akau ......leading the World . Enjoy it ! No one disagrees. What we do seem to disagree on is will that nursery of racing equine and human talent able to compete on the world stage continue. The situation is dire in many locations in NZ in terms of participation. It was that widespread participation that produced the talent we see now - arguably those you mention are well past midway in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted yesterday at 02:56 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:56 AM 2 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Jockeys/trainers in NZ never been so well off here , Bar a few, trainers continue to sell their best horses to survive. How many are mortgage free? Jockeys with a New Zealand passport must be doing a starve judging by the names on the TAB sheets. Back in the day an average jockey owned a property or two, a farm, a block of flats or rentals. Is that the case today? Is there a particular era or region you are basing your comparison on? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago I heard Lance O'Sullivan say in an interview, that if he was starting a riding career now, he wouldn't be staying here. That is sad, and a very telling comment for our resident Pollyanns to think about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 5 hours ago, Freda said: I heard Lance O'Sullivan say in an interview, that if he was starting a riding career now, he wouldn't be staying here. That is sad, and a very telling comment for our resident Pollyanns to think about. typo - pollyanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shab Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 12 hours ago, Freda said: I heard Lance O'Sullivan say in an interview, that if he was starting a riding career now, he wouldn't be staying here. That is sad, and a very telling comment for our resident Pollyanns to think about. Applies to just about any vocation not just being a jockey. Small country, small population, small economy. Cant get bigger due to strong anti immigration sentiment. Unemployment above 5%, average house price over 900 k, supermarket duopoly robs you blind and soon the betting monopoly will get you for even more than they already do. Young and talented you’re better off somewhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 41 minutes ago, Shab said: Young and talented you’re better off somewhere else. Are you suggesting I leave Shab? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago Said it before but will repeat myself while I still know I am repeating myself. New Zealand is the worst country to live in however it is still better than all the rest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shab Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Great place if you're a non punting freehold boomer or a dairy farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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