aquaman Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 If I was Entaine I would pack up and leave woke NZ for breach of contract. A signigficant part of their income destroyed by NZ Gov within 2yrs of buying TAB. They will have nothing until Aussie racing starts to fill noon to two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 11 hours ago, Special Agent said: If as it states in the RIU report the Coles' race 4,000 per year, why are there only going to be 2,900 greyhounds needing homes? This means 4000 starters, not 4000 individual dogs. Last racing season, Coles had 4348 starts out of 198 dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizanan Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Saddest part of all..... what's Yankiwi going to do with his life now? Keep tending to the lawns I guess... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 10 Author Share Posted December 10 57 minutes ago, kizanan said: Saddest part of all..... what's Yankiwi going to do with his life now? Keep tending to the lawns I guess... ? I would have thought that he would now focus on saving the Greyhound industry by promoting ALL the POSITIVE statistics unless of course he has acheived his hidden (not subtle) agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 1 hour ago, Yankiwi said: This means 4000 starters, not 4000 individual dogs. Last racing season, Coles had 4348 starts out of 198 dogs. That makes sense. Is 2,900 a true reflection of the wastage? There will pups yet to born yet and everything. What a bloody mess!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Special Agent said: That makes sense. Is 2,900 a true reflection of the wastage? There will pups yet to born yet and everything. What a bloody mess!! Id say 2900 give or take 500 dogs. The real issue is how do you rehome 2900 dogs when we struggle to rehome 600 per year? We all know if the spca are involved, they will just put most of them down. Also heard from a trainer they are banning dogs being exported to Aus. What about the dogs owned by people in Aus? Surely thats illegal. Edited December 10 by BitofaLegend 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Winston has done a job on the industry then hasn't he. Add this to the all weather tracks for galloping he sanctioned that create more injuries and deaths than any other surface. What more can you say? Do you think Glenda Hughes will come galloping in on her big white horse to save the day? She's bound to be on the advisory committee to which you can send your submissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Some points to ponder:- - Why a 20 month wind down? Would 5 years have been kinder to the industry for both dogs and humans? - How many dogs do SPCA put down each year? After all SPCA have offered to assist in rehoming greyhounds. - Should legislation be put through under urgency to include SPCA not putting any dogs down? - New Zealand has a far worse record looking after children and the elderly. Animals are much better cared for than humans. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 3 hours ago, aquaman said: If I was Entaine I would pack up and leave woke NZ for breach of contract. A signigficant part of their income destroyed by NZ Gov within 2yrs of buying TAB. They will have nothing until Aussie racing starts to fill noon to two. It is an interesting one whether it is a breach of contract! I would say that if they lost all racing in NZ, they would not be too worried as their costs would be so much less and without the hassle and they would still have the Sports Betting which is what they wanted in the first place! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 10 minutes ago, Brodie said: It is an interesting one whether it is a breach of contract! I would say that if they lost all racing in NZ, they would not be too worried as their costs would be so much less and without the hassle and they would still have the Sports Betting which is what they wanted in the first place! You could be right. I have also noticed, especially the last 6 months, that all tab advertising done outside of the trackside channels has excluded any images or references to dogs. I wouldnt be surprised if they all knew this was coming. I imagine that is also why they didnt announce this before the election as neither party wanted to turn it into a political debate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 (edited) i just turned trackside on,and blow me down theres whanganui straight track grass racing. i guess because wanganui was the area i thought dodgy things happened,i hadn't noticed. Strange that i hadn't seen it before given how much i have trackside on,but apparently its been going every couple of weeks for about 5 months. anyway,having watched a few of todays races,i think the straight track racing at wanganui has to be the best viewing of any trackside greyhound meeting. Much better viewing than you seeIt than the likes of capalaba and healesville that i see each week. Only thing is its well inside the galloping track and really,would have no atmosphere as its so far away from the public. Had it been just over the fence from the public,then i can imagine greyhound racing ,with a track like that,could have got a far better following if raced every sunday afternoon. A bit like the appeal of the grass track harness,but on a smaller scale. anyway,what if seems of no help. but whats pretty obvious from the races i have seen today,was how little interference occured,how straight the dogs ran and that they really can be quite majestic in their own way.I have to say i don't feel the same when i see them run around a track. anyway,what are the injury rates so far for that track?does anyone know.. Probably they don't deserve tyo keep going because the main bebeficiaru is the kennel who yankiwi has highlighted earlier in regards to how dishonest they werse shown to be around the rehoming thing. It does make you wonder,when greyhound nz saw the writing on the wall,why did they not pivit to the straight grass tracks like wanganui all over nz.. Edited December 11 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 (edited) 34 minutes ago, the galah said: i just turned trackside on,and blow me down theres whanganui straight track grass racing. i guess because wanganui was the area i thought dodgy things happened,i hadn't noticed. Strange that i hadn't seen it before given how much i have trackside on,but apparently its been going every couple of weeks for about 5 months. anyway,having watched a few of todays races,i think the straight track racing at wanganui has to be the best viewing of any trackside greyhound meeting. Much better viewing than you seeIt than the likes of capalaba and healesville that i see each week. Only thing is its well inside the galloping track and really,would have no atmosphere as its so far away from the public. Had it been just over the fence from the public,then i can imagine greyhound racing ,with a track like that,could have got a far better following if raced every sunday afternoon. A bit like the appeal of the grass track harness,but on a smaller scale. anyway,what if seems of no help. but whats pretty obvious from the races i have seen today,was how little interference occured,how straight the dogs ran and that they really can be quite majestic in their own way.I have to say i don't feel the same when i see them run around a track. anyway,what are the injury rates so far for that track?does anyone know.. Probably they don't deserve tyo keep going because the main bebeficiaru is the kennel who yankiwi has highlighted earlier in regards to how dishonest they werse shown to be around the rehoming thing. It does make you wonder,when greyhound nz saw the writing on the wall,why did they not pivit to the straight grass tracks like wanganui all over nz.. I dont think it matters. National and Luxon are both celebrating the shutdown on tiktok and facebook. Luxon even posted a picture of "Donald" and how he will never have to race again. Edited December 11 by BitofaLegend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overit Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 I was in two minds of commenting on here but decided to. I am an ex owner to this industry, as I have seen it going downhill fast. I discussed with my old trainer my options to get out. I, as the owner, had the responsibility to take care of my 2 hounds. They are now retired and live with my family and I. I really hope owners step forward to support their trainers and help with this sad situation. Thinking of all people that will be affected by this announcement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, BitofaLegend said: I dont think it matters. National and Luxon are both celebrating the shutdown on tiktok and facebook. Luxon even posted a picture of "Donald" and how he will never have to race again. Which makes me think this is a smokescreen as there aren't that many votes in the policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Which makes me think this is a smokescreen as there aren't that many votes in the policy. Maybe they were hoping itd turn peoples attention away from the disastrous policy changes around rail and ferries? Only reason I can see why theyd drop this a day before anouncing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 4 hours ago, the galah said: anyway,what are the injury rates so far for that track?does anyone know.. Probably they don't deserve tyo keep going because the main bebeficiaru is the kennel who yankiwi has highlighted earlier in regards to how dishonest they werse shown to be around the rehoming thing. I can help you here. First the beneficiaries. Predominantly, it's been the small trainers starting most of the dogs at the track. I don't have stats on it, but far bigger portions of the field are small trainer staters than other CD tracks. It's been anything but a rinse & repeat of the circle track domination by the Coles. As for injury rates. Current racing season (1 Aug - today included). All major injuries (22+ day stand down & death) are well below GRNZ's KPI target. Major 2+ injuries (43+ day stand down & death) are above GRNZ's KPI target. For this season, the straight track is ~ 2nd safest track of the 7 for All major injuries per starter. 3rd safest track of the 7 for Major 2+ injuries per starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 7 hours ago, BitofaLegend said: We all know if the spca are involved, they will just put most of them down. Don't forget about this. 20 May 2024. GRNZ therefore rejects the SPCA’s offer to assist the industry to rehome our greyhounds in the event of industry closure. Notwithstanding the fact that GRNZ believes that grounds for industry closure do not exist, GRNZ would not be comfortable aligning with the SPCA in the rehoming space, as their values around rehoming do not align with ours. GRNZ finds their “commitment to assisting the industry'' in this area ironic, given the SPCA is reputed to euthanise healthy animals which they are unable to rehome. The extent of this is unknown, as unlike its Australian counterpart (RSPCA) and many local authorities, the SPCA does not transparently report such statistical information (https://rspca.sfo2.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/public/Uploads/annual-statistics/RSPCA-Australia-Annual-Statistics-2022-2023.pdf). Accordingly, GRNZ considers the SPCA’s offer of assistance to be purely political and disingenuous. We challenge the SPCA to make its euthanasia statistics publicly available - like the greyhound racing industry does. https://www.grnz.co.nz/News/3200/GRNZ-Media-Release-Greyhound-Racing-is-important-to-New-Zealand-and-deserves-support 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I would have thought that he would now focus on saving the Greyhound industry by promoting ALL the POSITIVE statistics unless of course he has acheived his hidden (not subtle) agenda. I'm still happy to help them where I can. They've got my email & phone number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 40 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: I'm still happy to help them where I can. They've got my email & phone number. Well,i have always checked in on this forum from time to time and i had thought you started off a long time ago as the canary in the coalmine and that canary kept singing the same song,over and over and based it on stats and data. some chose to minimise your contributions,some chose to ignore what you said. But it seemed clear to anyone thinking logically,that you were warning,in your own way,of the impending terminal fate of greyhound racing in NZ. and you were asking ,whats being done to prevent it. that was always my take on your posts. I used to think,how can anyone possibly think your motives were anything other than to protect the welfare of the dogs. If ever anyone can say,i told you so,i think its yankiwi. i really think ,from reading what many are saying about the rehoming ,that the greyhound industry really do need to become vocal about the fate of all their greyhounds,to ensure as many of them have a happy life when the racing is all over. I think,the small time people most likely will do everything they can,i just hope the factory type breeders do as well. Both have been dealt a very unfair hand by the political parties. For the greyhounds sake,the public ,nearer the end of the racing,have to be made aware exactly how perilous some greyhounds fate will become and demand accountability and funding from the government,to ensure a better overall fate of the dogs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamboozla Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 As a longtime owner, breeder and enthusiast this is all very sad but unfortunately entirely predictable yet it was entirely preventable. I will be forever thankful for the lessons learned watching dogs at QE2 after school in the 90s, developing skills that have served me well for a lifetime. So sorry for the genuine salt of earth people this sport was built on when races were worth a few hundred dollars and dreaming of having a dog that might win 10k one day was like racing Phar Lap. May the red light flash and the bunny forever be set in motion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 10 hours ago, Yankiwi said: I'm still happy to help them where I can. They've got my email & phone number. Do you realise how arrogant that sounds? You have GRNZ phone numbers and email addresses too as evident by the number of times you posted them on BOAY. Yeah na Charles you achieved what you set out to do - close down Greyhound Racing. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Do you realise how arrogant that sounds? You have GRNZ phone numbers and email addresses too as evident by the number of times you posted them on BOAY. Yeah na Charles you achieved what you set out to do - close down Greyhound Racing. Well done. To be fair, from my own experiences, GRNZ have always been arrogant and turn a blind eye to any real issues, even prosecuting people that raise them. Unfortunatly, they created this enviromnent where the only way to voice any criticsm towards them has been via public forums. Ive seen and heard alot over the years and I can tell you that GRNZ and the board have failed this industry time and time again the past 2 decades, only ever attempting to fix something once media attention has been drawn to it. Manukau and Whanganui are great examples of this. Hatrick raceways track has been dangerous for decades, people have boycotted it, stopped racing there, complained openly about it. I remember having a dog 4 L in front that broke a hock and the stipe on the night argued the dog got checked and wasnt the fault of the track which was ludicrous. But they only tried to make real changes once this was public knowledge via media. Im sad its come to this but the powers that be completely let down the honest people in the industry. I hope the thouroughbreds, harness and even the racing industry in Aus look at the mistakes here and see where GRNZ went wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 10 hours ago, the galah said: But it seemed clear to anyone thinking logically,that you were warning,in your own way,of the impending terminal fate of greyhound racing in NZ. and you were asking ,whats being done to prevent it. that was always my take on your posts. @the galah gets it. 5 hours ago, bamboozla said: As a longtime owner, breeder and enthusiast this is all very sad but unfortunately entirely predictable yet it was entirely preventable. @bamboozla gets it. When GRNZ claimed to have welfare at the heart of every decision they make, that welfare underpins everything they do, that welfare is the heart & soul of the industry over & over in every statement & report, then that's the way they should have treated it. Instead, they publicly say something like this when their feelings get hurt~ "GRNZ therefore rejects the SPCA’s offer to assist the industry to rehome our greyhounds in the event of industry closure. Notwithstanding the fact that GRNZ believes that grounds for industry closure do not exist, GRNZ would not be comfortable aligning with the SPCA in the rehoming space, as their values around rehoming do not align with ours." How is a statement such as that promoting greyhound welfare? Average Ma & Pa have no idea what GAP is or what they do. Who will Ma & Pa side with if this debate come up? When they publicly said PN 375m starting distance was permanently replaced by the safer 410m distance, they were out of their mind when they reinstated it. Why didn't they make it a brand new 365m distance instead? Then they'd at least have a plausible answer in defense when questioned by the media about it. The 375m data was etched in stone tablets & had already openly admitted it was unsafe. 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Do you realise how arrogant that sounds? I realize how the above two GRNZ examples sound arrogant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, BitofaLegend said: To be fair, from my own experiences, GRNZ have always been arrogant and turn a blind eye to any real issues, even prosecuting people that raise them. @BitofaLegend get's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, BitofaLegend said: Unfortunatly, they created this enviromnent where the only way to voice any criticsm towards them has been via public forums. Yep, so they tried to stop that "feed-back" too. https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Forms updated October 2021/Greyhound Racing Assn Social Media Policy Licensed Persons (Updated).pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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