NZ Stipes- you are not funny!!!

[Brodie]

Stipes your decision last not is totally wrong and if that is the best you can do then you should step down

[Rangatira]

12 hours ago, Nowornever said:

No he is in Aussie now but still in a similar job over there.

lock your women up cobbers

 

[the galah]

13 hours ago, Westview said:

If the stipes don't lay a charge it wouldn't get to the jca. 

yes, I see it didn't even go to the jac. Rock n shard was my bet of the night and it was badly inconvenienced ,losing its position badly,and effectively any chance it had. of winning.

I am amazed that Herlihy got away with his driving.  Bringing a horse back onto the  correct side of markers that are only 20m apart requires a very significant shift in direction and  doing that at high speed  into a field runs a high risk of carnage.I would have thought it an obvious  extremely dangerous maneuver, so it proved with multiple drivers having to take evasive action.  They were just lucky the horses in that field were higher quality athletes with experience, and with top drivers.  I know it was a spur of the moment thing from Herlihy,howver he did it so should have to deal with the consequences.

If that had been a lesser known driver I would have thought he would have got a long  suspension. Sometimes you do wonder

Edited December 15, 2018 by the galah

[Brodie]

I challenge someone from HRNZ to come on here and validate the decision made quickly last night!!!

They won’t because they are a law unto themselves and can make blatantly stupid decisions and don’t answer to anyone!

There has not been a single contributor that has said that the Stipes were correct, but you watch Ydgren will come out and defend it by saying it was the rules!

Well Mr Ydgren you should have some damn common sense and if you think that what Mr Herlihy did last night was alright, then you should be sacked, as you are an absolute fool and in the wrong job!

Maybe a circus job as a clown!,

 

Edited December 15, 2018 by Brodie

[Yankiwi]

31 minutes ago, Brodie said:

There has not been a single contributor that has said that the Stipes were correct...

The Stipes were correct, after all they have the final say.

However, if someone feels something dodgy may have been at play, then I suggest they ring to police and let them do a full investigation over the incident.

I reckon a good police investigation into the RIU & their inconsistency's, which are often blatantly obvious, could pay huge benefit towards finally getting some integrity within the codes.

Have a look at the #9 (from the 7 box) in the final corner, which was determined on the night to have run a clean race, by one of those with the final say.

 

[Brodie]

Yankiwi,, no the Stipes were not right at all!,

Yes they made a decision that to anyone with any level of intelligence could see was the wrong one!

How on earth can anyone now have confidence in the Stipes in the future?

It was an absolute shocker and there are many others as well which have been clearly evident as well!

Mr Ydgren O.G. ten appears on Trackside waffling on about horses due to race about whether they in season or different tactics etc. which is fine, but I would prefer that he could make intelligent decisions and Mr Ydgren an co. Did not last night.

You just can’t defend incompetence!

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

I challenge someone from HRNZ to come on here and validate the decision made quickly last night!!!

They won’t because they are a law unto themselves and can make blatantly stupid decisions and don’t answer to anyone!

There has not been a single contributor that has said that the Stipes were correct, but you watch Ydgren will come out and defend it by saying it was the rules!

Well Mr Ydgren you should have some damn common sense and if you think that what Mr Herlihy did last night was alright, then you should be sacked, as you are an absolute fool and in the wrong job!

Maybe a circus job as a clown!,

 

Not a clown brodie,does a good job normally,just the matter you criticize  him for last night seems warranted.  The question I think is whether the inaction was because it involved a high profile person and whether he operates under different standards to most.

Edited December 15, 2018 by the galah

[Happy Sunrise]

22 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Mr Ydgren O.G. ten appears on Trackside waffling on about horses due to race about whether they in season or different tactics etc. which is fine,

No, its not.

Far too late.

But we know my opinion on this particular topic. 

They will never get organised enough to do what I want considering their basic lack of intelligence shown last night.

[Happy Sunrise]

1 hour ago, Yankiwi said:

The Stipes were correct, after all they have the final say.

Phew.

?

[Rangatira]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

There has not been a single contributor that has said that the Stipes were correct, but you watch Ydgren will come out and defend it by saying it was the rules!

i knida think they got it right

[Basil]

30 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

i knida think they got it right

Yes, on balance, I too am inclined to this obviously unpopular dissenting opinion (but please, don’t send me back to RC — I’m already banned from there for disagreeing with the conventional view?).

 

Not knowing exactly what the law says, I’ve no idea if the stipes got it legally correct. But if they do indeed have discretion over what happens when a horse goes inside the pylons, it seems to me that there’s a reasonable argument that they exercised it sensibly in this case. After all, by the time the dust had settled, pretty much every horse was in the position it was going to be in if Mr Yips hadn’t pulled off a side-step Rieko Ioane would be proud of. Yes, there was a little bit of jostling and some minor checks, and one horse got briefly pushed 3-wide (but he quickly ended up exactly where he would have been anyway). Arguably (and I stress arguably!) the horse most adversely affected was Mr Yips himself.

 

I’m also not sure what else Tony H could have reasonably been expected to do — just pull his horse up and say “Ah well, there’s always next week”? That would certainly have caused a ruckus!

Anyway, I’m just not convinced that it’s as clear-cut as most on here seem to believe. Interference is part and parcel of racing and, while spectacular, this was a relatively mild example.

IMHO (puts on hard helmet and ducks for cover…)

[the galah]

28 minutes ago, Basil said:

. After all, by the time the dust had settled, pretty much every horse was in the position it was going to be in if Mr Yips hadn’t pulled off a side-step Rieko Ioane would be proud of. .

 

 

 

I’m also not sure what else Tony H could have reasonably been expected to do — just pull his horse up and say “Ah well, there’s always next week”? That would certainly have caused a ruckus!

 

 

 

 

 

IMHO (puts on hard helmet and ducks for cover…)

 

Actually the horses in the trail and 3 back  went right back to last after the interference,so the race was turned on its head . .

Its not the first time this has happened,i have seen it several times, and I never seen a driver have so little regard for others safety. Rituer did it at forbury ,it lost ground and the driver waited until it was safe to re enter and wasn't disqualified. it being a lot safer with trotters too. In other instances the driver has always waited until others have passed and it is safe.  Just basic common sense really.  This has set a very dangerous precedent,however I don't think other drivers would ever contemplate driving like Herlihy did..

[Happy Sunrise]

40 minutes ago, Basil said:

pretty much every horse was in the position it was going to be in if Mr Yips hadn’t pulled off a side-step Rieko Ioane would be proud of

I don't think MKB was.

She should have been in the trail or leading.

[the galah]

9 minutes ago, the galah said:

Actually the horses in the trail and 3 back  went right back to last after the interference,so the race was turned on its head . .

Its not the first time this has happened,i have seen it several times, and I never seen a driver have so little regard for others safety. Rituer did it at forbury ,it lost ground and the driver waited until it was safe to re enter and wasn't disqualified. it being a lot safer with trotters too. In other instances the driver has always waited until others have passed and it is safe.  Just basic common sense really.  This has set a very dangerous precedent,however I don't think other drivers would ever contemplate driving like Herlihy did..

Actually a lot of horses jump pylons , especially if they are flung in front of them after being hit by a horse in front of them,that is one of the reason smashes happen.Why do you think horses fall over like that one did last night after striking pylons.

 

Edited December 15, 2018 by the galah

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Basil said:

Yes, on balance, I too am inclined to this obviously unpopular dissenting opinion (but please, don’t send me back to RC — I’m already banned from there for disagreeing with the conventional view?).

 

 

 

Not knowing exactly what the law says, I’ve no idea if the stipes got it legally correct. But if they do indeed have discretion over what happens when a horse goes inside the pylons, it seems to me that there’s a reasonable argument that they exercised it sensibly in this case. After all, by the time the dust had settled, pretty much every horse was in the position it was going to be in if Mr Yips hadn’t pulled off a side-step Rieko Ioane would be proud of. Yes, there was a little bit of jostling and some minor checks, and one horse got briefly pushed 3-wide (but he quickly ended up exactly where he would have been anyway). Arguably (and I stress arguably!) the horse most adversely affected was Mr Yips himself.

 

 

 

I’m also not sure what else Tony H could have reasonably been expected to do — just pull his horse up and say “Ah well, there’s always next week”? That would certainly have caused a ruckus!

 

Anyway, I’m just not convinced that it’s as clear-cut as most on here seem to believe. Interference is part and parcel of racing and, while spectacular, this was a relatively mild example.

 

 

 

 

IMHO (puts on hard helmet and ducks for cover…)

 

Basil, you have clearly come on just to take the piss!

you have to be have been drinking all day for you to have written that crap!

Mr Yips should’ve been chucked out in 2 minutes!

The horse did not complete the distance by running inside the markers, he checked other horses and changed the order of the horses order!

Blatant ridiculous decision by Stipes that acted irrationally, and it is not the first time as we all know!

You can say what you want Basil as you have some connection with officialdom even though you will deny it!

If you haven’t and you beleive what you have said then your thought patterns are seriously misguided!

Edited December 15, 2018 by Brodie

[Happy Sunrise]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

You can say what you want Basil as you have some connection with officialdom even though you will deny it!

My guess is the White House

[Happy Sunrise]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

you have to be have been drinking all day for you to have written that crap!

I agree, Brodie.

He is drinking because he knows Spankem will win. ?

[cichlid]

Should this topic be pinned ?   It needs to be dealt with for the INTEGRITY of our 3 codes.!!!   The R.I.U. is a Huge Joke and the longer we allow these cancerous leeches to continue to under perform the more they will employ their mates  and  more lousy decisions will become the norm.. Cameron George is an arsehole who put the platform of this Vital Unit on a disgraceful level right from word go. What gets me more than anything  is the saga of his behaviour that  was covered up by most of YOU   now complaining.. Ross Neal confirmed the pattern of this scum by his behaviour that was absolutely disgraceful, disgusting , and unbelievable for a man in his position of Trust. I could go on and name the men that helped him cover up this  SHAMEFUL  deed  and  they are still employed. We have wankers like Gavin Whiterod that is  long , long overdue to bugger off, ( he made the decision  not  to deal to  the example mentioned by Yankiwi in a previous post). and has many dubious dealings over the years and most of them on record.   Scotty Wallis  the dirty little man that stole a licensed persons partner and is  now engaged to her while he still  holds a position of power. We have  McLaughin who is the latest of these clowns that makes  decisions that are unbelievable and he is  not worthy of holding such a position.  Brian (Brocoli) Bateup the gardener and weather reporter supreme ( a really nice guy) that admits he is only there to  collect a pay packet and dare front him he runs to Whiterod for help. The ex Jockettes that fill the positions, The fisherman, the one that is into Blow up Dolls..  Maybe we are the Jokes  Brodie,  good on you for  sticking up for Integrity though  the Industry  needs it right now. :)

 

[Brodie]

Cichlids, I am not in a position to denigrate each and every Stipe in this country, and yes you obviously have more of a handle on some of these things.

Personally not a forum to vent our opinion on these employees as it can be dangerous!

What Brodie will always point out is injustices that he sees, and hopefully this will prove things and future decisions!

I wouldn’t be guaranteeing that though, as there have been many stipendiary steward decisions that are just blatantly wrong, and these should not be being made by people who are working for an INTEGRITY unit!

 

[cichlid]

Brodie, I am not denigrating just stating facts..

Yes it can be dangerous,  but I think we are more a little down the track than that.? . I don't know about you,   but it my case I say FUCK them.. I love a little danger Things have to improve, they just have to...

[Happy Sunrise]

5 minutes ago, cichlid said:

I am not denigrating just stating facts..

You seem to have a very intimate knowledge of the people involved but I am not sure you are just stating facts.

Edited December 15, 2018 by Happy Sunrise

[cichlid]

Well keep watching Sunrise.  The R.I.U.     What about Godber ?  that blithering wanker from Addington Showgrounds..He has control over them all !! If you look at the structure of the R.I.U. that has grown in Enormous numbers...    notice.!.     The Investigators under Godber are so much more quailified than him  it ain't funny.. Godber contols  it all  ..      I reckon this guy just has to go.... and his  sqirmy mate Nigel McIntyre what a wimp....

[Taku Umanga]

The talk amongst trainers at the Park tonight was that nobody (that I spoke to anyway) could believe Mr Yips held the race. 

Was told that one of those trainers went into the stipes room last night seeking clarification of the rule and was shut down very quickly.

One trainer said that Herlihy was as surprised as anyone that he wasn't disqualified!

[Happy Sunrise]

45 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said:

The talk amongst trainers at the Park tonight was that nobody (that I spoke to anyway) could believe Mr Yips held the race. 

Was told that one of those trainers went into the stipes room last night seeking clarification of the rule and was shut down very quickly.

One trainer said that Herlihy was as surprised as anyone that he wasn't disqualified!

3 succinct sentences outlining 3 reasons why it is a farce.

If they can't clarify and feel the need to shut down clarification you know they are running scared...

[Basil]

18 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said:

I don't think MKB was.

She should have been in the trail or leading.

Nope. She would have been 3 back if Mr Yips had stayed on an even keel, but ended up in the 1-1. Similarly, the horse that would have been 4 back on the inner (Comic Book Hero) ended up 4 back on the outer. Sure, the latter, and some others, had to be briefly restrained, but their position in the field wasn't adversely affected.