Brodie Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) I see Just Holla in race 5 at Nelson today is into $3.40 fixed to win! I acknowledge it is trained by Ken Baron and Blair is in the cart and in an 8 horse race but surely $3.40 is too short? It has not gone a decent race for ages as the run on the second day at Westport didnt seem that good as they only went a 2.11 mile rate and last half in over 66. Even a trial run before the Coast circuit was not great either. There are several picking it to win but I do not know why really and do not believe it warrants being so short even with Blair giving it every chance! Anyway maybe Brodie is missing something as there appears to be winning chances in that field at better odds! Edited 7 hours ago by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted 4 hours ago Author Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Yes Just Holla won. Who is the starter up there today, is it Donnelly? Seriously needs to learn what a standing start actually is! If harness racing wants to have credibility they need to be employing people who actually give a damn! Very poor, standing starts should not be moving starts and all horses need to be in a line not all over the place! Very amateur performance these stands and should be abolished if that is the best they can do. Edited 4 hours ago by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes Just Holla won. Who is the starter up there today, is it Donnelly? Seriously needs to learn what a standing start actually is! If harness racing wants to have credibility they need to be employing people who actually give a damn! Very poor, standing starts should not be moving starts and all horses need to be in a line not all over the place! Very amateur performance these stands and should be abolished if that is the best they can do. Wil be Donnelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted 4 hours ago Author Share Posted 4 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: Wil be Donnelly Harness racing is going to struggle if it is going to continue to accept such mediocrity! We thought the previous starter was not flash well things have not improved at all! Just pathetic and why should punters have to accept this Amateur behaviour and nothing is said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes Just Holla won. Only horse in field that had won at Nelson previously , plus had the good draw and leading driver. 2nd Fav drew the extreme outside. Wonder why Regan Todd would pick up ALDEBARAN Crystal in the next from Bernie Hackett ? it has one win from 28 starts. and seems a real 'plodder.' have still had a couple of quid on it because Regan Todd could be the leading trainer in Nz this year as has a great squad of horses like Marketplace, Borris, Mo'Unga etc, and about another 10 good winning horses. and could win with anything the way he is going. He should place those 12 horses well all year, and get another 10 promising ones like them and sweep the countryside with a 20 horse squad. Aldebaran Crystal just seems a project horse for someone , but ya never know I spose. Regan should look at Group horse racing like Telfer's do and really Go Big Time. sort of Go on with it now that he gave Allstars and Diamonds a jolly good thrashing with MARKETPLACE. (2024 Sires Stakes winner) This is his DERBY and the ASCENT year . It will be a Big one for Regan (wasting time with ''Crystal' at Nelson seems silly in a way as lot of time and effort on a holiday circuit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted 4 hours ago Author Share Posted 4 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Only horse in field that had won at Nelson previously , plus had the good draw and leading driver. 2nd Fav drew the extreme outside. Wonder why Regan Todd would pick up ALDEBARAN Crystal in the next from Bernie Hackett ? it has one win from 28 starts. and seems a real 'plodder.' have still had a couple of quid on it because Regan Todd could be the leading trainer in Nz this year as has a great squad of horses like Marketplace, Borris, Mo'Unga etc, and about another 10 good winning horses. and could win with anything the way he is going. He should place those 12 horses well all year, and get another 10 promising ones like them and sweep the countryside with a 20 horse squad. Aldebaran Crystal just seems a project horse for someone , but ya never know I spose. Regan should look at Group horse racing like Telfer's do and really Go Big Time. sort of Go on with it now that he gave Allstars and Diamonds a jolly good thrashing with MARKETPLACE. (2024 Sires Stakes winner) This is his DERBY and the ASCENT year . It will be a Big one for Regan (wasting time with ''Crystal' at Nelson seems silly in a way as lot of time and effort on a holiday circuit) Just Holla won two years ago at Nelson, Gamma. It had been going very poor if you watched all of its races over the past year or so. The start of any race is very important especially the standing starts and they are an absolute joke a lot of the time. If HRNZ think that it is acceptable to consistently dish up poor starts then they need to get rid of them or employ someone that can do the job. The thing is that the drivers know that the stand starts are a farce and they get away with anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Brodie said: The thing is that the drivers know that the stand starts are a farce and they get away with anything. yeah , I'm for stands being banned altogether . the mobile gets them all away lovely. It's just too costly for the owner to not even be in the race from a stand. And Punters have Already' left the sport ' in droves and wouldn't touch them with any serious money. not worth the risk. Regan Todd doing well there with Sky Rocket too in race 8 . A very nice winner at $11.00 here. won well it's last start too. a Tenner ew keeps the wolves away for the weekend too lol. I hope he gives that Aldebaran Crystal trotter from r7 away to someone else though lol. 🤣 He should keep ALL his home Stalls/barns just with race winning prospects, as is a jolly good Trainer. Wonder if Robbie Close works with him at home ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Yes Just Holla won. Fabulous tipping cobber !!!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago 29 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Fabulous tipping cobber !!!! To be fair any true follower of form could not have backed it the way it was going! The way the starter let them go also affected the race greatly. Punters will not offload on these shambles of standing starts if they persist with accepting poor performance from the starters! Is there anyone genuinely thinking that the standing starts are actually being fair to all??????? Brad Steel should be having a harsh word to his starters that he is responsible for and advise them that their performance is not up to standard . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted 51 minutes ago Share Posted 51 minutes ago (edited) Theres a pattern to virtually 80% of standing starts. And that pattern is the horse/horses who are back a length or two are the ones very ikely to be slow away and consequently get back in the field,effectively diminishing their chances.That 1 length behind at the start can quickly turn into 10 lengths off the leader after 150m. And when the starter is letting them go almost as soon as the last horse turns around,then its going to be the last horse that turns into line that is unlikely to get a fair start, compared with others. And who is the last horse to turn into line,well its the horse drawn in the middle,in other words the last horse to turn in from the 2nd of the 2 circles that turn into line .(The front line being split into two circles pre race). Theres the occasional exception to the that,mostly when the field does not have a full front line, giving more room, or if the start is delayed,giving more time. Its become so obvious that i now factor that in when making my selections. In particular some drivers are nearly always are in the last couple after 20m if they draw the middle. in some ways you can't blame them too much as its a little unreasonable to expect horses to begin at speed when the horses,as well as the driver,know they have other horses in a starting position to crowd or cross their line due to those horses advantagous pre start circle formation position. Theres only 2 or 3 drivers who can be relied on to have their horses who draw in the middle,in a favorable position as the tape is released,possibly thats becuase the starter may give those couple of drivers more time to come forward ,or simply those couple of drivers are just more on the ball. Edited 46 minutes ago by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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