The Centaur Posted yesterday at 01:21 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:21 AM So the NZ racing hierarchy is patting themselves on the back seeing a number of overseas jockeys riding here. Then when the really big races come along a further influx. All very nice. Short term but not long term. Just how do some local jockeys feel having the few jockey managers ditch them in order to "market" a more accomplished jockey from overseas. How do overseas jurisdictions feel about jockeys say from South Africa departing? Jurisdictions should be cooperating not poaching. I applaud jockeys such as Wiremu Pinn seemingly having the guts to tell Te Akau "Why expect me helping educate your horses then pass me over for the big ones with overseas riders" If a NZ football club wanted say Harry Kane for their club they just couldn't organize a visa and house. No....they would have to pay millions for the transfer. Same with horses. Clubs provide the infrastructure to prepare horses. So why shouldn't they demand some sort of levy when educated horses are sold overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted yesterday at 01:47 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:47 AM I've been saying this for some time, one stable in particular are huge fans of this . You can't help those who won't help themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 02:07 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:07 AM FFS - who pays? The poor Owner AGAIN! 43 minutes ago, The Centaur said: I applaud jockeys such as Wiremu Pinn seemingly having the guts to tell Te Akau "Why expect me helping educate your horses then pass me over for the big ones with overseas riders" Who's educating who? Arguably a Jockey getting regular trackwork, trial work and racing is earning money and getting experience. It's not a one way street by any means. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted yesterday at 02:23 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 02:23 AM 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: FFS - who pays? The poor Owner AGAIN! Who's educating who? Arguably a Jockey getting regular trackwork, trial work and racing is earning money and getting experience. It's not a one way street by any means. I wonder how much trainers pay their regular jockeys for trackwork?? When a fully qualified (& experienced) and leading rider attaches to a stable he turns up for that stable at trackwork, trials etc which means he or she can't offer the same commitment to other stables. Therefore loses all round when the big races come about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted yesterday at 02:42 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:42 AM 17 minutes ago, The Centaur said: I wonder how much trainers pay their regular jockeys for trackwork?? When a fully qualified (& experienced) and leading rider attaches to a stable he turns up for that stable at trackwork, trials etc which means he or she can't offer the same commitment to other stables. Therefore loses all round when the big races come about. Exactly ride for big stable at small meet then get no ride on the big days . But like I say the Jocks put up with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 02:49 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:49 AM 20 minutes ago, The Centaur said: I wonder how much trainers pay their regular jockeys for trackwork?? When a fully qualified (& experienced) and leading rider attaches to a stable he turns up for that stable at trackwork, trials etc which means he or she can't offer the same commitment to other stables. Therefore loses all round when the big races come about. Yes but there is more to the relationship dynamic than what you describe. As for what they pay for trackwork - isn't that between the Jockey and the Stable? Anyway doesn't seem to have held Pinn back - Marsh has picked him up and he has the El Vencedor ride tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 02:50 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:50 AM 7 minutes ago, Huey said: Exactly ride for big stable at small meet then get no ride on the big days . But like I say the Jocks put up with it. For lots of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted yesterday at 03:01 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 03:01 AM 9 minutes ago, Huey said: Exactly ride for big stable at small meet then get no ride on the big days . But like I say the Jocks put up with it. The ones that won't put up with it are the teens thinking about taking up an apprenticeship. If there is never going to be gold at the end of the rainbow why bother. That also translates to trackwork. No local jockeys means an owner trainer has to pay top dollar to get a good trackwork rider. So there are repercussions all the way down the chain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 03:38 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:38 AM 36 minutes ago, The Centaur said: The ones that won't put up with it are the teens thinking about taking up an apprenticeship. If there is never going to be gold at the end of the rainbow why bother. That also translates to trackwork. No local jockeys means an owner trainer has to pay top dollar to get a good trackwork rider. So there are repercussions all the way down the chain. So? Hasn't it always been like that and isn't it just part of the business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago There'll be even fewer young kiwis coming through with the latest 'initiatives ' wrt apprentice training. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Just now, Freda said: There'll be even fewer young kiwis coming through with the latest 'initiatives ' wrt apprentice training. I've always felt that if you don't support the local product, there soon won't be one. But, locally, with three of the top 4 riders approaching retirement it's not looking great...and I'm hard pressed to think of a kiwi-born apprentice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 2 hours ago, Freda said: and I'm hard pressed to think of a kiwi-born apprentice. Two locals with the breeding - Williams/Bates and Kennedys - to be jockeys offed it over the ditch to learn their trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, Murray Fish said: Two locals with the breeding - Williams/Bates and Kennedys - to be jockeys offed it over the ditch to learn their trade. Exactly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 6 hours ago, Freda said: I've always felt that if you don't support the local product, there soon won't be one. But, locally, with three of the top 4 riders approaching retirement it's not looking great...and I'm hard pressed to think of a kiwi-born apprentice. One of the major things that concerns me about the poor programming in the SI is the lack of opportunities it means for local jockeys. The Riccarton meeting on Wednesday had 9 or 10 NI jockeys. Some only came for 2 or 3 rides. And that's a low key, low staked, midweek meeting. That's thousands of dollars in airfares and shows very little respect for the local jockeys. I don't know how people who criticise the SI jockeys expect them to learn if they aren't given opportunities. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago Interesting comment from Kelly Myers about riding in Saudi , supposedly much like riding in the SI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Doomed said: I don't know how people who criticise the SI jockeys expect them to learn if they aren't given opportunities. very true... hard to get better... hard to pay the bills... if visa allow, better off riding work over the ditch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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