south island apprentice jockeys

[SLB2.0]

No idea who the ex-jockeys are, but don't you think they're qualified to spot a good or bad ride? Given their experience of doing the same thing? And Hassman's lack of experience as a 4kg apprentice?

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

What urgings? She doesn't move a muscle until the race is over.

The horse couldn't keep up early with the field and it had no chance of moving out.  She gave the horse 5 clips with the whip up the straight and the horse barely held its ground.   She had two choices tactically - ride the shyte out of it at the start and hold its position or ride for luck and move off the fence if the opportunity arose AND the horse was good enough.  The first option wasn't an option for that horse.  

Simply on the day the horse wasn't good enough and when it drew one well it was all over.

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

No idea who the ex-jockeys are, but don't you think they're qualified to spot a good or bad ride?

 

6 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

Given their experience of doing the same thing?

Some are some aren't.  Some were never very good in the first place so how could they spot a good or bad ride when the only time they rode a good ride was when they were on a good horse!

7 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

And Hassman's lack of experience as a 4kg apprentice?

What was she supposed to do to get in the first 3?  Your suggestion is that she should have followed the other horses out into the middle of the track and whipped the shyte out of it.  Well there are rules against doing the latter.

Have you reviewed the race again?  The first four horses drew 8, 7, 10 and 6.  They ALL travelled wide the trip.  Those that were on the immediate outside of Bello Mio turning for home didn't do much better than Bello Mio.

The horse wasn't going well enough.

[Chief Stipe]

You wrote this comment elsewhere:

There was no effort made to get the horse involved in the race. I'm not bagging the jockey, I'm just hoping that, with time, her in-race skills improve. She rode the next winner much better, and that's the type of riding she should at least attempt every ride.

FFS the horse Hassman rode in race 7 drew TWELVE not ONE!!!!  Of course it was going to get a decent run if you are correct in your assertion that the inside was a Heavy 20 and the outside was a Heavy 10!

 

[Chief Stipe]

I see the @Comic Dog wrote this in response to @curious saying the Jockey DID walk the track prior to the meeting:

@Comic Dog Do you know she did???Leggy I know the some owners and they are filthy and so was the trainer afterwards...she did not give the horse a single chance no matter where it was drawn, she made NO effort to ever try to get out off the fence, worst part of the track....she can ride ok but in this particular ride she cocked it up...I am sure her ears were still ringing last night.

I find that hard to believe.  

[SLB2.0]

If Bella Mio was your horse, would you be happy with that ride? Would you concede your horse wasn't good enough? Or would you be wondering what might have happened had it been put into the race at any stage?

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

If Bella Mio was your horse, would you be happy with that ride?

Yes not that it would have made any difference if I did or didn't own it.  I've seen some really bad rides and that wasn't one of them.

10 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

Would you concede your horse wasn't good enough?

Yes - yesterday the horse wasn't good enough.

11 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

Or would you be wondering what might have happened had it been put into the race at any stage?

If it wasn't going good enough why would I wonder if "it had been put into the race at any stage"?  You haven't actually told us HOW it should have been ridden in your expert opinion.  For that matter nor as your hypocrite friend the @Comic Dog !!!!

I certainly wouldn't have punted on it on a Heavy 10 when drawn 1 especially given its normal racing pattern.  It would have had to lose another couple of lengths to get wide and it had already drifted 3 lengths off the pace (with nowhere to go) soon after the start.  So that's 5 lengths it had to make up by traversing across what you say was the worst part of the ground to get to the good stuff.  

But alledgedly the Trainer (which I don't believe), the owners, the average ex-jockey and you are bagging the ride so I must be wrong.

[Special Agent]

If you put a 4kg claimer on, you must expect a 4kg ride.  Riders can only improve with practice.

[SLB2.0]

Agreed Agent, and that was a 4kg ride.

What would I expect, Chief? I would expect any amount of effort shown. Even if she went hands and heels from the 600-400, at least then I would have known that under riding, the horse was still not good enough.

She showed no vigor at any stage. She sat on it, and those rides are worth questioning. If a senior ride did that, they would get a couple of weeks to think about it. Hopefully, in future, she at least shows some effort to push the horse along.

Chief... what's going on with you? Just because I'm posting on RC now, doesn't mean I don't appreciate this site. It's not a good look for you. Users can enjoy both, as they bring different environments.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

If you put a 4kg claimer on, you must expect a 4kg ride.  Riders can only improve with practice.

I agree but no one has posted what Hassman should have done and when. 

Even @nomates (short for Bob) and @Comic Dog the self proclaimed experts who are too gutless to debate anything head to head.  

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Jockey DID walk the track

I know of one who did! and Did ride a winner!

A free picture of the jockey to the first winner!

 

[the galah]

54 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

If Bella Mio was your horse, would you be happy with that ride? Would you concede your horse wasn't good enough? Or would you be wondering what might have happened had it been put into the race at any stage?

I think if it was my horse,i would be conceding it wasn't placed very well by the trainer,(easy to say that in hindsight),running on a heavy wingatui track.And it ran accordingly.

When it ran 2nd at riccarton the winner of that race ran its last 600m in 33.85 whereas yesterday the winner ran its last 600m in 38.55. Nearly all the races yesterday were won by swoopers,mostly down the outside,so as pointed out,drawn 1 and racing midfield made it more unlikely it would get the ideal run..

te akau don't seem to excel much on really wet tracks either.All the factors seemed against it before it even started yesterday and so it turned out.

But i do agree with you that its no big deal to  express an opinion about a ride. Like i did when i started this thread. The opinion i gave i had thought was obvious and was confirmed in the stipes report,but even then some others didn't seem to agree,which is fair enough.

Everyone is always expressing opinions about rides or drives. Its through debating suc h things that we learn what others think and vice versa. Not that what others think means much other than awareness of others opinions.

Edited 13 hours ago by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

I know of one who did! and Did ride a winner!

A free picture of the jockey to the first winner!

 

A toss up between Kyle Williams or Leah Hemi.

I'll go Hemi even though Williams was my first guess.

[curious]

1 hour ago, Murray Fish said:

I know of one who did! and Did ride a winner!

A free picture of the jockey to the first winner!

 

Nic Yuen?