Reefton Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Wednesday January 9th. Races Matamata and Reefton. Both nice days both good tracks. Field numbers comparable and both 8 races. Oncourse turnover at Reefton $85k Matamata $31k. What do you have to say? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivaree Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Thats simple, shut Reefton, it if can only do $85,000 on its biggest day of the year then it doesn't deserve to stay. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 What were off course figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, Newmarket said: What were off course figures? They can't tell you the fixed odds T/O because of the new platform so not sure but no doubt they got a lot more than us but so they should. They had most of the best riders in the country where we had CWJ and accordingly were bound to attract more betting off course but that is irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Tis terribly sad you're keeping us this negative narrative re Winn Reefer... Even an ex Knat Racing Minister as stupid as that Guy guy could tell you why... You should be able to go to sleep at night sans Dummy....knowing Winn has inserted your fellow Sth Is hero Deano in charge... Have you no trust in Macca or something.... At least he has basic knowledge of the Messiah report...where the suggested Course shutdowns were merely a discussion phase... ...with input accepted from more knowledgeable stakeholders...If that is indeed the case Wtf can't you and your fellow pathetic petty small minded county bumpkins get your noggins around that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porky Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I dont reckon just closing down country tracks is the answer...may be the end you city slickers need to get bums on seats and off course betting to justify the group races to convince me ... Look what I found ...How they tracking ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=748UmtCPkh4&feature=share Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Thomass said: At least he has basic knowledge of the Messiah report...where the suggested Course shutdowns were merely a discussion phase... ...with input accepted from more knowledgeable stakeholders...If that is indeed the case Wtf can't you and your fellow pathetic petty small minded county bumpkins get your noggins around that? He is probably like me somewhat confused when comparing the on-course turnover stats for Reefton vs Mutta Mutta on the same day. Double the turnover yet Reefton goes and Mutta Mutta stays and gets more infrastructure improvements. Go figure! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 winnie wont talk hes been muzzled by our pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: He is probably like me somewhat confused when comparing the on-course turnover stats for Reefton vs Mutta Mutta on the same day. Double the turnover yet Reefton goes and Mutta Mutta stays and gets more infrastructure improvements. Go figure! A decision about a racecourse's long-term viability cant be decided by a simple comparison of on-course turnover on one midweek holiday raceday. I'd have thought that was bleedin' obvious. 'Reefton' has a vested interest in highlighting the turnover figures for last week's raceday, of course, because they help his cause (keeping the facility). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Tommo old son...was winnie on your tour group in Egypt..or wherever you've been...was he there to dry out? Whats the goss? Is the masterful one going to announce anything positive in the next week or 10 days...before the yearling sales? Cos' if he doesn't the sales are well and truly stuffed. I'd hate to be a vendor-have a look at the latest Gold Coast sales, something like $169m...and over 90% sold to Aussie punters. Must be true because they said it on whalein...what that means is feckall aussies coming here, singapore looks to be in trouble, stakes falling, honkers may be ok but overall not looking great. So come on Tommo. Whats in the pipeline NONONO I'm talking news not yer bowels you dog.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Weasel said: A decision about a racecourse's long-term viability cant be decided by a simple comparison of on-course turnover on one midweek holiday raceday. I'd have thought that was bleedin' obvious. 'Reefton' has a vested interest in highlighting the turnover figures for last week's raceday, of course, because they help his cause (keeping the facility). So what are your metrics for the "viability of a racecourse"? Makes money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The problems have long been building Kop But Let moi tell you why Winn announced the requested report sonny Becuase no other apology f'er would do it ffs Rest easy knowing the future is being secured...and doyen's like Deano McKenzie are fighting in your corner... ...even though your punch drunk on ignorance best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: The problems have long been building Kop But Let moi tell you why Winn announced the requested report sonny Becuase no other apology f'er would do it ffs Rest easy knowing the future is being secured...and doyen's like Deano McKenzie are fighting in your corner... ...even though your punch drunk on ignorance best your'e as bad as winnjie Tommo....haven't answered the question..is anything positive coming out before the sales ? This is where you say YES or NO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: So what are your metrics for the "viability of a racecourse"? Makes money? I haven't thought this through in a substantive way, CS...but top of the head thinking includes: how and how often is the racecourse used? how many people are directly and indirectly employed by/from its presence its importance/usefulness to the wider community cost of upkeep (R&M) relative to its revenue-earning capability the number of alternative facilities within a small radius of the venue As a comparison, let's look at Auckland ...is there a compelling case to keep Avondale when there is already Ellerslie and Pukekohe for training/trialling/racing; the Avondale infrastructure/services are appalling (though the track is fine); and the Avondale land is worth truckloads. Selling Avondale and applying the capital for industry-wide benefit makes sense, unless you are a member/supporter of AJC (or you are skeptical about whqat would happen to the $$. How often is Reefton used? Is it financially self-sustaining? What are the consequences (for employment/community etc) if it is closed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Kopia said: your'e as bad as winnjie Tommo....haven't answered the question..is anything positive coming out before the sales ? This is where you say YES or NO I take it then that it's a No. Great stuff from the coalition of losers..at least they are consistant in their non-action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Weasel said: I haven't thought this through in a substantive way, CS...but top of the head thinking includes: how and how often is the racecourse used? how many people are directly and indirectly employed by/from its presence its importance/usefulness to the wider community cost of upkeep (R&M) relative to its revenue-earning capability the number of alternative facilities within a small radius of the venue As a comparison, let's look at Auckland ...is there a compelling case to keep Avondale when there is already Ellerslie and Pukekohe for training/trialling/racing; the Avondale infrastructure/services are appalling (though the track is fine); and the Avondale land is worth truckloads. Selling Avondale and applying the capital for industry-wide benefit makes sense, unless you are a member/supporter of AJC (or you are skeptical about whqat would happen to the $$. How often is Reefton used? Is it financially self-sustaining? What are the consequences (for employment/community etc) if it is closed? Good post. Would make very interesting reading if those metrics were applied to every racetrack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 18 hours ago, Thomass said: Tis terribly sad you're keeping us this negative narrative re Winn Reefer... Even an ex Knat Racing Minister as stupid as that Guy guy could tell you why... You should be able to go to sleep at night sans Dummy....knowing Winn has inserted your fellow Sth Is hero Deano in charge... Have you no trust in Macca or something.... At least he has basic knowledge of the Messiah report...where the suggested Course shutdowns were merely a discussion phase... ...with input accepted from more knowledgeable stakeholders...If that is indeed the case Wtf can't you and your fellow pathetic petty small minded county bumpkins get your noggins around that? You do not address the question Thomass (a habit you share with your idiot friend Peters). The required response is to explain why two meetings, one with every possible advantage over the other, could return such contrasting oncourse results (with the disadvantaged one clearly outperforming the other). It is a simple question and, given you seem to have an opinion on everything, one which you should be able to answer without reverting back to this 'them versus us' crap. The Waikato mafia are behind Witless and his report but they will clearly neither attend nor bet on their own meetings. I want to know why (and it would be nice to have a concise and coherent answer with proper grammer not this gobledegook rubbish you throw up) What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 hours ago, Weasel said: A decision about a racecourse's long-term viability cant be decided by a simple comparison of on-course turnover on one midweek holiday raceday. I'd have thought that was bleedin' obvious. 'Reefton' has a vested interest in highlighting the turnover figures for last week's raceday, of course, because they help his cause (keeping the facility). Our figures are consistently good and comparable 'chosen one' venue figures are consistently bad. People want to attend our meetings and do not want to attend theirs. Why oh why am I not entitled to highlight that in defending my patch? Is it an inconvenient truth for Messara report devotees? This is not a recent phenomena - this is happening all the time these days. People do not want to attend these 'glamour' courses but do want to attend the basic 'beer and a pie' venues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Weasel said: How often is Reefton used? Is it financially self-sustaining? What are the consequences (for employment/community etc) if it is closed? Replace Reefton with Ellerslie in your post - and ask the same questions. Perhaps post back the answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Reefton said: You do not address the question Thomass (a habit you share with your idiot friend Peters). The required response is to explain why two meetings, one with every possible advantage over the other, could return such contrasting oncourse results (with the disadvantaged one clearly outperforming the other). It is a simple question and, given you seem to have an opinion on everything, one which you should be able to answer without reverting back to this 'them versus us' crap. The Waikato mafia are behind Witless and his report but they will clearly neither attend nor bet on their own meetings. I want to know why (and it would be nice to have a concise and coherent answer with proper grammer not this gobledegook rubbish you throw up) What say you? Never a truer word spoken, the Cambridge 'training track' is no better example, and also the attention that is paid to Te Rapa, that was manifested with the recent example of the grossly over applied sand These guys are just furthering their own business interests on the back of racing in this country, and being falsely seen as the saviours of racing, through schemes such as the various syndicates that are cobbled together. Syndicates, and you are an accountant, that it is not hard to see, who is making the money, so heavily is the ticket clipped Edited January 15, 2019 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseboy Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Why are on course turnover figures still relevant in a world of apps and international broadcast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Horseboy said: Why are on course turnover figures still relevant in a world of apps and international broadcast? They aren't are they? It's overall net revenue that matters is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porky Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 hours ago, Weasel said: how and how often is the racecourse used? how many people are directly and indirectly employed by/from its presence its importance/usefulness to the wider community cost of upkeep (R&M) relative to its revenue-earning capability the number of alternative facilities within a small radius of the venue Freda and I agree Weasle... A good measure of a tracks viability. I stand up, with hand on heart and admit I voted Winston in.... I can see him retiring (through enforced inactivity... by the PM and Greens) before the next election... C,MON WINSTON...DEMAND ACTION FOR YOUR RACING VOTERS . If the supposed Guru from Aussie had been so good...He would have made big salaried staff cuts by now ... e.g 10k plus a week wages ...flights around the globe / sausage rolls, & savories & drinks Fark me...doesn,t take a scientist to work out if you Sack 2 non performing staff on those sort of wages... YOU CAN RAISE MAIDEN RACES BY 1K EA. FOR 3 MEETINGS A WEEK. MAY ATTRACT SOME OWNERS BACK WHO ARE SICK OF MEETING THE WEEKLY TRAINING AND VET BILLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, Horseboy said: Why are on course turnover figures still relevant in a world of apps and international broadcast? On Course Turnover is representative of how many people were on course. I guess the biggest difference between Mutta Mutta and Reefton was those at Mutta Mutta were industry employers and employees who don't seem to bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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