South Island Trainers Premiership 2025

[Murray Fish]

Looking very interesting this season with just 6 meetings still to go.

R Dennis 33

Parson's 32

Pitman]s 31

K Tyler 31

A Furlong 31

Anderton's  28

not to sure were Team Orange fit in to this sort of thing?

Are TAB offering odds?

[Chief Stipe]

Perhaps you should also list the strike rates by Trainer.

[Murray Fish]

9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Perhaps you should also list the strike rates by Trainer.

they don't pay out on that stat!

 

[Extra Dollars]

9 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

they don't pay out on that stat!

 

They should!!!!

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

they don't pay out on that stat!

 

It would be interesting though.

[Doomed]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Perhaps you should also list the strike rates by Trainer.

They are all pretty similar really. Mostly between 5 and 8, one at 11. 

[Doomed]

2 hours ago, Murray Fish said:

Looking very interesting this season with just 6 meetings still to go.

R Dennis 33

Parson's 32

Pitman]s 31

K Tyler 31

A Furlong 31

Anderton's  28

not to sure were Team Orange fit in to this sort of thing?

Are TAB offering odds?

I was going to mention the same thing myself. Very interesting finish to the season. And the poor buggers don't get many opportunities. Only 8 races in 11 days just at the moment. Incredible they have kept their strike-rates so low given the lack of opportunities and how hard it is to place a horse properly.

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, Doomed said:

They are all pretty similar really. Mostly between 5 and 8, one at 11. 

Which one is at 11?

[curious]

1 hour ago, Extra Dollars said:

They should!!!!

Why?

[Chief Stipe]

Actually I'll answer my own question.

@Pitman is at 12 (11.97

R. Dennis 7.7

Parson's 7.2

Tyler 8.1

Furlong 5.55

Anderton 8.46.

 

 

[curious]

As a punter or owner, I could care less about trainer strike rates. Meaningless to me. Wins or stakes earned  per individual starter might be of some interest as an owner, though not something I've looked at.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, curious said:

As a punter or owner, I could care less about trainer strike rates. Meaningless to me. Wins or stakes earned  per individual starter might be of some interest as an owner, though not something I've looked at.

That wasn't the point.  They trainers listed are all within 5 wins of each other.

@Pitman has had 370 starts - 200 more than Furlong.  Both have the same number of wins.

[Doomed]

32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Actually I'll answer my own question.

@Pitman is at 12 (11.97

R. Dennis 7.7

Parson's 7.2

Tyler 8.1

Furlong 5.55

Anderton 8.46.

 

 

Pitmans also by far the biggest stake earners. In fact the only SI trainers to pass the $1m mark. Many would consider that much more important than strike rate.

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Pitmans also by far the biggest stake earners. In fact the only SI trainers to pass the $1m mark. Many would consider that much more important than strike rate.

Only Trainers would.  The Owners paid for that.

Te Akau have 8 times that in Stakes winnings for only twice as many starts.

But let's not talk about that.  Given I'm apparently a TA Idol.

[Doomed]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

That wasn't the point.  They trainers listed are all within 5 wins of each other.

@Pitman has had 370 starts - 200 more than Furlong.  Both have the same number of wins.

So you are arguing that the Pitmans are the most important trainers in the context of SI racing? Without them some races may not have got off the ground. Andrew Carston also crucial, albeit with a poorer strike rate.

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, Doomed said:

So you are arguing that the Pitmans are the most important trainers in the context of SI racing? Without them some races may not have got off the ground. Andrew Carston also crucial, albeit with a poorer strike rate.

No I'm arguing their owners are.  What's more there are some less successful trainers who would have loved to have had the cattle that @Pitman and Carston have had.

Carston averages a winner every 19 starts.

[Doomed]

8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Only Trainers would.  The Owners paid for that.

Te Akau have 8 times that in Stakes winnings for only twice as many starts.

But let's not talk about that.  Given I'm apparently a TA Idol.

I'm really struggling with your logic here. The Pitmans have 12 starters at Riccarton on Saturday, Furlong has one. Without the Pitman runners several of those races would have only two dividends. 

The Pitmans have won at least $300,000 more than any other SI trainer. Are you suggesting that doesn't matter because they had a few more starts to do it?

[TAB For Ever]

3 hours ago, Doomed said:

I was going to mention the same thing myself. Very interesting finish to the season. And the poor buggers don't get many opportunities. Only 8 races in 11 days just at the moment. Incredible they have kept their strike-rates so low given the lack of opportunities and how hard it is to place a horse properly.

If it's such a big problem finding a race for a horse why do they continue to keep on importing horses from the North Island , surely this half the reason.