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South Island Trainers Premiership 2025

Murray Fish

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Murray Fish

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Looking very interesting this season with just 6 meetings still to go.

R Dennis 33

Parson's 32

Pitman]s 31

K Tyler 31

A Furlong 31

Anderton's  28

not to sure were Team Orange fit in to this sort of thing?

Are TAB offering odds?

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Doomed Grand Master

Doomed

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2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Perhaps you should also list the strike rates by Trainer.

They are all pretty similar really. Mostly between 5 and 8, one at 11. 

Doomed Grand Master

Doomed

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2 hours ago, Murray Fish said:

Looking very interesting this season with just 6 meetings still to go.

R Dennis 33

Parson's 32

Pitman]s 31

K Tyler 31

A Furlong 31

Anderton's  28

not to sure were Team Orange fit in to this sort of thing?

Are TAB offering odds?

I was going to mention the same thing myself. Very interesting finish to the season. And the poor buggers don't get many opportunities. Only 8 races in 11 days just at the moment. Incredible they have kept their strike-rates so low given the lack of opportunities and how hard it is to place a horse properly.

curious Grand Master

curious

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As a punter or owner, I could care less about trainer strike rates. Meaningless to me. Wins or stakes earned  per individual starter might be of some interest as an owner, though not something I've looked at.

Chief Stipe Grand Master

Chief Stipe

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4 minutes ago, curious said:

As a punter or owner, I could care less about trainer strike rates. Meaningless to me. Wins or stakes earned  per individual starter might be of some interest as an owner, though not something I've looked at.

That wasn't the point.  They trainers listed are all within 5 wins of each other.

@Pitman has had 370 starts - 200 more than Furlong.  Both have the same number of wins.

Doomed Grand Master

Doomed

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32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Actually I'll answer my own question.

@Pitman is at 12 (11.97

R. Dennis 7.7

Parson's 7.2

Tyler 8.1

Furlong 5.55

Anderton 8.46.

 

 

Pitmans also by far the biggest stake earners. In fact the only SI trainers to pass the $1m mark. Many would consider that much more important than strike rate.

Chief Stipe Grand Master

Chief Stipe

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3 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Pitmans also by far the biggest stake earners. In fact the only SI trainers to pass the $1m mark. Many would consider that much more important than strike rate.

Only Trainers would.  The Owners paid for that.

Te Akau have 8 times that in Stakes winnings for only twice as many starts.

But let's not talk about that.  Given I'm apparently a TA Idol.

Doomed Grand Master

Doomed

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5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

That wasn't the point.  They trainers listed are all within 5 wins of each other.

@Pitman has had 370 starts - 200 more than Furlong.  Both have the same number of wins.

So you are arguing that the Pitmans are the most important trainers in the context of SI racing? Without them some races may not have got off the ground. Andrew Carston also crucial, albeit with a poorer strike rate.

Chief Stipe Grand Master

Chief Stipe

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8 minutes ago, Doomed said:

So you are arguing that the Pitmans are the most important trainers in the context of SI racing? Without them some races may not have got off the ground. Andrew Carston also crucial, albeit with a poorer strike rate.

No I'm arguing their owners are.  What's more there are some less successful trainers who would have loved to have had the cattle that @Pitman and Carston have had.

Carston averages a winner every 19 starts.

Doomed Grand Master

Doomed

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8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Only Trainers would.  The Owners paid for that.

Te Akau have 8 times that in Stakes winnings for only twice as many starts.

But let's not talk about that.  Given I'm apparently a TA Idol.

I'm really struggling with your logic here. The Pitmans have 12 starters at Riccarton on Saturday, Furlong has one. Without the Pitman runners several of those races would have only two dividends. 

The Pitmans have won at least $300,000 more than any other SI trainer. Are you suggesting that doesn't matter because they had a few more starts to do it?

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TAB For Ever

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3 hours ago, Doomed said:

I was going to mention the same thing myself. Very interesting finish to the season. And the poor buggers don't get many opportunities. Only 8 races in 11 days just at the moment. Incredible they have kept their strike-rates so low given the lack of opportunities and how hard it is to place a horse properly.

If it's such a big problem finding a race for a horse why do they continue to keep on importing horses from the North Island , surely this half the reason.

Chief Stipe Grand Master

Chief Stipe

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8 hours ago, Doomed said:

I'm really struggling with your logic here. The Pitmans have 12 starters at Riccarton on Saturday, Furlong has one. Without the Pitman runners several of those races would have only two dividends. 

I'm struggling with your logic or more so the point you think you are making.  Are you suggesting that we need more trainers with high numbers of starters and low success rates?  Or are you saying we need more owners wiling to subsidise South Island racing from a charitable perspective?

Put it another way would you rather own a horse tha won a race every 15 starts or one that won every 5?

Yes strike rates are important in my opinion for two reasons - one they are a measure of the ability of a trainer to choose the right horse and place it correctly.  It is also a measure of the trainers willingness to sack a horse if it isn't good enough.

8 hours ago, Doomed said:

The Pitmans have won at least $300,000 more than any other SI trainer. Are you suggesting that doesn't matter because they had a few more starts to do it?

No I'm not saying it doesn't count even though that $300k was earnt by just two horses.  However overall it took more than a few more starts to do it - it took at least twice as many on average.

Chief Stipe Grand Master

Chief Stipe

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5 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

If it's such a big problem finding a race for a horse why do they continue to keep on importing horses from the North Island , surely this half the reason.

But perception doesn't match reality.  Sure the South Island programming doesn't provide an ideal pattern for certain types of horses but that doesn't mean that for the horse population there aren't ample opportunities.

The 5 trainers in the head post of this topic have had 1500 starts so.far this season.  If there is a problem why aren't 4 of them knocking on the door or the 1 that has virtually dominated the South Island Programme Committee for a very long time.

curious Grand Master

curious

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1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

BTW last season there were 650+ races in the South Island.

I wonder how SI starter numbers have tracked over recent seasons. Can't seem to find that.

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