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[the galah]

can anyone follow the press release on the hrnz website.

it says "for harness it features 6 additional race dates compared to the 2024/25 season.They are addington(2),auckland (4),including 1 at ruakaka,methven,banks peninsula and oamaru(2)."

i mean,whatever way you read that press statement,it doesn't add up to 6. Thats not the first time they have realeased statements that made little sense around figures. 

[mikeynz]

25 minutes ago, the galah said:

can anyone follow the press release on the hrnz website.

it says "for harness it features 6 additional race dates compared to the 2024/25 season.They are addington(2),auckland (4),including 1 at ruakaka,methven,banks peninsula and oamaru(2)."

i mean,whatever way you read that press statement,it doesn't add up to 6. Thats not the first time they have realeased statements that made little sense around figures. 

They were going to have 15 but they've scrubbed some.

[the galah]

39 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

They were going to have 15 but they've scrubbed some.

yes. in that same press release it says they have scrubbed 9 of the 15 ,and names them.

But they also said in the same press release they have 6 new meetings and then named more than 6.

isn't that an indication the numbers people aren't good with numbers. they are either poor with numbers or poor with the wording they use to describe their numbers. In this case it comes acrros that they can't add even small numbers(again)..

[WOLF]

IT IS THE SAME ABACUS THEY USE TO WORK OUT HOW WELL AUCKLAND TROTTING CLUB IS DOING.

SORRY ATC.

[the galah]

the latest comment that makes no sense to me again comes from mr peden,who in the short hrnz press release about the cambridge meeting that was cancelled said

"we are looking at putting some of the stakes cambridge lost this week back into the region,just how it looks is to be determined"

Now what is the logic behind such a comment. 

Does he not realise there was a race meeting 2 hours up the road that the horses from cambridge could have started in.

Or why couldn't they have just said ,hey lets transfer those 4 races they could have held at cambridge,to be run at auckland.even use the same nominations to select the fields,run them for the same stake or whatever.

Why is mr peden saying things that encourages people to say,hey if we don't go to auckland then we will get a bigger stake down the track.

does mr peden not realise that the shortage of horses was caused by,you guessed iit ,a shortage of horses.

Wheres his consistency. hes never said before that when there  were programmed races at cambridge that weren't run he thought they should do the same.. i.e. when they only run 6 races,if his thinking is consistent,why hasn't he said the stake from the races programmed and  not run on those nights, will go into the region.

Why did they just add 4 new meetings to next years calendar in the auckland region.Can't they work out they don't have enough horses in that region to justify that.

Also,where is the proof that running races like the southern surge or the golden gait or whatever,with the increased stakes,generates more overall starters throughout the year. If you look at auckland.all i see was people aimed at the bigger stakes,but did they actually race more over the season or will they do so in the future. If hes a so called data man,can he show us the data which says its more beneficial to put the money into  high stake races on certain nights than it is to apply the increased stakes in lesser amounts across the board of all racing.

these are the people at hrnz who came up with the 2 year old bonuses,which have done nothing to increase th number of starters in 2 year old races. These are the same people who said having a million dollar nz cup was needed. Where is the evidence having  big stakes for those races did anything to get the connections of the horses at that level to start more in other open class races throughout the season.

Also what strikes me about the auckland trainers is,put simply,they are far more wealthy on average than anywhere else in nz. Yet they are the ones HRNZ think need the support more. How does that make sense.

oh well,in my opinion,its all just groundhog day.

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[Brodie]

Cambridge cancellation due to shortage of numbers.

Harness need to realise that until HRNZ realise that they need to be running harness racing as a business things are going to continue to falter!

Brad Steele stating on Trackside a few weeks ago that things are going well just shows us all just how poorly they are performing.

The only reason things have held up is due to the constant stream of money that was promised racing and this is going to end.

Racing for $8k is probably what a lot of the meetings will be once Entain pot of gold comes to an end.

reality is that HRNZ have acted very irresponsibly with the money they have been given 

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Cambridge cancellation due to shortage of numbers.

Harness need to realise that until HRNZ realise that they need to be running harness racing as a business things are going to continue to falter!

Brad Steele stating on Trackside a few weeks ago that things are going well just shows us all just how poorly they are performing.

The only reason things have held up is due to the constant stream of money that was promised racing and this is going to end.

Racing for $8k is probably what a lot of the meetings will be once Entain pot of gold comes to an end.

reality is that HRNZ have acted very irresponsibly with the money they have been given 

Brodie I wouldn't worry about things, if the stakes are reduced then the stakes are reduced, it would be a learning curve, Iive within your means, shame they ain't doing that now but it's not sustainable based on the income,(turnover) but at present with small fields and good stakes the few left racing horses are probably doing very well, but nothing last forever.

The 2 meetings up North is not sustainable every week, I think they are starting to see that, they survive nicely at the other end of the country with 1 day, I don't even think they want any more days, just make use of the ones they have.

Same things happening to some of our sport, the Netballers are slowly dieing off and unless the Rugby union can move Sky on the NPC then many in that will be taking a pay cut too, Moana Pacifica is another example, money's not plentiful for many of us, fact.

Edited 14 hours ago by mikeynz

[mikeynz]

4 hours ago, the galah said:

 

Also,where is the proof that running races like the southern surge.

The Southern surge has got good numbers, surprisingly but the weather has been kind there this Winter that helps.

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Cambridge cancellation due to shortage of numbers.

Harness need to realise that until HRNZ realise that they need to be running harness racing as a business things are going to continue to falter!

well they don't run it as a fish and chips shop mate .and hope customers 'roll up for a feed at random.

of course they run it as it is a business. you're just so used to sinking the boot in , you can't help yourself.

The HRNZ have done an Outstanding Job in recent years , and possibly returns a profit , where-as a lot of Aussie states run at a loss. HRNZ have even put fabulous races on that the Aussies have been plundering for the past 3 years now , which is probably a bad thing , as the monies are all going overseas. 

A Victim of it's own success ? 😅🏆. there are better prizes than ever up for grabs in VERY trying times for the average household. A sign HRNZ have outstanding staff and business acumen ( it's you that doesn't 😋 ) 

Horse Racing Is ON THE NOSE of the general public mate.

I'll give you an example . The Melbourne Cup . A huge Australian Tradition, part of the development fabric of the nation,  on the World Stage even . BUT in the past 20 years it's gone from 80% public interested to 2024 ONLY 20% of the nation recognizing the race was even being run. Horse Racing is FADING mate. 

so APPLAUD the efforts of your country mates at HRNZ . They've done a Sterling job in the face of Adversity ( adversity being the public acceptance of horse racing in 2025) 

I saw LEAP TO FAME . the Best horses ever Australasia. Win at Cambridge ??? who would of thought that possible 5 years ago. and Arcee Phoenix , the INTERDOMINION Champion , has won at Cambridge and raced Addington. Never thought I would see such sensational racing in my lifetime . We OWE HRNZ much thanks for this sort of stuff. 

HRNZ doing an Outstanding job. Getting the best in the World at their tracks . And you still complain about them.🤔

Nothing makes you guys happy. No Government could do it . no race club can do it either 😅🤣.

I say WELL done HRNZ .  Champions in a world of pain. Keep up the amazing work and See ya Cup week !!!! 🏆 for more outstanding racing .  

[Nowornever]

5 hours ago, the galah said:

If hes a so called data man,can he show us the data which says its more beneficial to put the money into  high stake races on certain nights than it is to apply the increased stakes in lesser amounts across the board of all racing.

Just making it up as they go along. 

I have never had a survey asking what would encourage me to bet more or buy into more horses. Have they asked anyone related to the industry in betting or ownership/training apart from the purdons dunns telfers?

I bet the top half a dozen stables want bigger races with bigger stakes and anyone lower in the pecking order wants more in the bottom end. Unfortunately the more powerful stables probably get priority. 

[Brodie]

5 hours ago, Gammalite said:

well they don't run it as a fish and chips shop mate .and hope customers 'roll up for a feed at random.

of course they run it as it is a business. you're just so used to sinking the boot in , you can't help yourself.

The HRNZ have done an Outstanding Job in recent years , and possibly returns a profit , where-as a lot of Aussie states run at a loss. HRNZ have even put fabulous races on that the Aussies have been plundering for the past 3 years now , which is probably a bad thing , as the monies are all going overseas. 

A Victim of it's own success ? 😅🏆. there are better prizes than ever up for grabs in VERY trying times for the average household. A sign HRNZ have outstanding staff and business acumen ( it's you that doesn't 😋 ) 

Horse Racing Is ON THE NOSE of the general public mate.

I'll give you an example . The Melbourne Cup . A huge Australian Tradition, part of the development fabric of the nation,  on the World Stage even . BUT in the past 20 years it's gone from 80% public interested to 2024 ONLY 20% of the nation recognizing the race was even being run. Horse Racing is FADING mate. 

so APPLAUD the efforts of your country mates at HRNZ . They've done a Sterling job in the face of Adversity ( adversity being the public acceptance of horse racing in 2025) 

I saw LEAP TO FAME . the Best horses ever Australasia. Win at Cambridge ??? who would of thought that possible 5 years ago. and Arcee Phoenix , the INTERDOMINION Champion , has won at Cambridge and raced Addington. Never thought I would see such sensational racing in my lifetime . We OWE HRNZ much thanks for this sort of stuff. 

HRNZ doing an Outstanding job. Getting the best in the World at their tracks . And you still complain about them.🤔

Nothing makes you guys happy. No Government could do it . no race club can do it either 😅🤣.

I say WELL done HRNZ .  Champions in a world of pain. Keep up the amazing work and See ya Cup week !!!! 🏆 for more outstanding racing .  

Agree to disagree Gamma! Lol

They are only able to put up the current stake money due to Entain and  that is going to stop!

Personally do not think they have administered harness racing at all well, but at the end of the day hopefully you are right and more than happy to be proven wrong in 2 years.

To my mind  They should have slowly implemented stake rises this way all the money would not have been blown .

Anyway good that we can have a healthy debate about things.

What would be good is if Mathew Peden or Brad Steele who represent HRNZ would come on BOAY and reassure us all that things are going along nicely!

 

[Gammalite]

8 hours ago, Brodie said:

Agree to disagree Gamma! Lol

They are only able to put up the current stake money due to Entain and  that is going to stop!

Personally do not think they have administered harness racing at all well, but at the end of the day hopefully you are right and more than happy to be proven wrong in 2 years.

To my mind  They should have slowly implemented stake rises this way all the money would not have been blown .

Anyway good that we can have a healthy debate about things.

What would be good is if Mathew Peden or Brad Steele who represent HRNZ would come on BOAY and reassure us all that things are going along nicely!

 

I think what you forget Brodster is When Sponsors and Supporters of a sport PUT up there Cash to support or sponsor a race or an Event, there are TIME LIMITS involved.

It's like a footballer Contract . you Pay up so much cash spread out over the Calculated time frame of a contract.

I would suggest that the ENTAIN money is being used by professional people for the 250 odd NZ meeting per year , at a rate that is calculated within a time Period. i.e so much has to be allocated Annually. it's how business works. 

I agree with you that sure it would be nice to think you calculate monies/funding/sponsorships for 2030 and beyond , BUT You can't mate. You have to live in the moment .

AND all you blokes keep saying the turnover has dropped off , and trotting won't be around in the North Island in 5 years time anyway , old Maurice, Barry, Tony , Ray Green, And a few others will be retired. And Trotting will BE NO MORE. you will all just have to go to the gallops lol 😎🏇

So Might as well use The MONEY now mate. I do think it's a shame most of it, is going to Aussie these days from the Big races , as that is only speeding up the Ultimate demise of NZ Harness Racing .  you don't have the guts of Seymour or anyone like that to keep it going.

Must say Dean Shannon and also the Stonewall bloke (Stockman and his partner Jill )  are doing their Very best at Sales and punting and Racing syndicating with your great trainers to Keep it going a year or two longer. so Big shout out to them for meritous efforts lately. good to see some still 'Having a Go ' at the great sport.