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[Gammalite]

5 hours ago, the galah said:

as i've pointed out before,many times,where is the evidence they wouldn't still come if the level of satkes for the bigger races were lower.I have used the examplwe of lhe greatest field to run in australia last year was ibn the hunter cup which was run for a stake that was only $250,000. Remember

Look all I can say is there are PROFESSIONAL people dealing with the amount of Prizemoney distributed per year. 

It does vary time to time. Victoria are miles behind as are well in the red from running so many low class races each week to accommodate the low class ranks in Vic country. Hunter Cup has been slashed accordingly. Not rocket science when you are losing 24 million in a year like the HRV did last year. They are worse off than Auckland who are doing a good job in comparison 😂🤣 .

I'm happy with what they do . they're (HRNZ)  doing their best in a POOR Betting Sport. You and Brodie will never be Happy the way the money is handed out. It's just one of those things we just have to disagree ( or at least Not agree on) 

[Gammalite]

5 hours ago, the galah said:

haven't aussie horses always raced in the big nz races. Why are you saying hrnz is doing something new,when its always happened.

NO. Definitely No . just the last 3 years with Swayzee, Leap To Fame , Bettor Eclipse, Arcee Phoenix , Keayang Zahara , Just Believe and possibly more but mainly those SIX horses took out about 12 Group Ones or so,  the past 3 years.

Before that just Kerryn Manning winning the Cup in 2015 with Arden Rooney was the ONLY Big Aussie Win in NZ in 12 years since the TRIFECTA in the Interdominion at Auckland in 2010. Quinney, Blacks A Fake, Smoken up DQed .

I'm TheMightyQuinn did win the Auckland Cup 2011 and 2013 so that was pretty good for the wild West. but you guys hate Auckland trotting so might not count those. Several of Mark Purdons Auckland Cup winners (about 8 in a row he won with Nat)  including the old marvel Self Assured won Auckland Cups as well and are Australian owned/purchased. 

But Really It's ONLY since 2022 that the Aussies have arrived in bulk to plunder the NZ races,  and Won all your Big races. a trend likely to continue as well.  

Edited yesterday at 08:45 AM by Gammalite

[TAB For Ever]

5 hours ago, the galah said:

the strange thing is ,isn't the chair of the hrnz board also on the nz rugby board

You making stuff up again Galah !

The guy you refer to is a Crusaders man.....Canterbury , red and black ! The most one-eyed bunch in the land !

And Rugby certainly been thru the wringer at times , spending more than they earn !

Racing often spoken in the same breathe as racing  , as it once was when there were no alternatives.

Auckland actually were so unbeatable a while back they took the Shield on the road to show the rest of Country, then when Canterbury decided to improve and get out of the cellar ,what did they do........starting importing dozens of great players from Auckland, Northland and Taranaki in particular and sent  others to their feeder team Tasman to add even more depth.

Maybe this should be reversed now and Canterbury can send say 80-100 horses North now. Any horses cos Auckland has the top Stallions ,top trainers and drivers to make their own luck , and become great again !

So send horses and $$$$ North and be a little generous !

 

[Brodie]

32 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said:

You making stuff up again Galah !

The guy you refer to is a Crusaders man.....Canterbury , red and black ! The most one-eyed bunch in the land !

And Rugby certainly been thru the wringer at times , spending more than they earn !

Racing often spoken in the same breathe as racing  , as it once was when there were no alternatives.

Auckland actually were so unbeatable a while back they took the Shield on the road to show the rest of Country, then when Canterbury decided to improve and get out of the cellar ,what did they do........starting importing dozens of great players from Auckland, Northland and Taranaki in particular and sent  others to their feeder team Tasman to add even more depth.

Maybe this should be reversed now and Canterbury can send say 80-100 horses North now. Any horses cos Auckland has the top Stallions ,top trainers and drivers to make their own luck , and become great again !

So send horses and $$$$ North and be a little generous !

 

TAB, chucking money at a losing cause is always going to end in tears

HRNZ need to stop the folly that putting on races with big stakes is going to work!

They race the wrong way around for a start, they have not got the interest in the harness racing for a variety of reasons.

HRNZ in my humble opinion have not got the right people making the right decisions unfortunately.

Anyone know what has happened to the Committee or was that just wind?

Edited yesterday at 12:43 PM by Brodie

[Newmarket]

13 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Dare I say it harness racing in NZ needs at least two Te Akau's.

The have them…. Dunns & Telfers…

[the galah]

12 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Incorrect . The Aussie ones are a huge success. Expanded to 2 year old Slot race Brisbane now . ( That needs a Ballot to obtain the Slot holders as it is so Popular. And the nations best 2 year olds turned up last month. The Eureka Slot has superseded the Miracle Mile as our main sprint. (Like the Everest did to the Gallops ) 

our definitions of success are different..

i'm looking at the slot races and saying,do they do anything to increase numbers being bred,number of participants,number of owners,punter participation,those type of things.

I would say the answer is a definite no as all the things. the rate of decline for all those indicators is still picking up speed.

If i was to look at the slot races and say,do they give the harness media something to focus on and does it get some positive publicity for a couple of days racing,then yes it does.

But  do not underestimate the message hrnz sent to the bottom end of participants in harness racing when hrnz chose to fund the slot races. 

HRNZ promised the slot races would not be funded by them. Why was that.Well i had thought it was pretty clear why. Because those on the bottom rungs would view it as yet another example of exactly who hrnz view as their priorities. I.e. the elite,the wealthy,the high achievers.. 

Just look at the statements hrnz made about why they funded them. As predicted when they first came about,you watch,this will become an examp[le of where hrnz priorities lay. 

I predicted it,because HRNZ are predictable. 

People need to understand the mindset of the people whose participation ijn the sport has been hanging by a thread. HRNZ cleary don't understand that mindset,or more obviously,don't actually care.They want those people to participate on hrnz's terms and people are reluctantly  walking away. Its getting very dire for the industry.. Numbers being bred is a very dire situation.

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

13 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Grass Roots Competitors Can NOT get a look in in NZ as your Current Participants are  just too good. If I and a few mates who raced in Queensland went to Auckland with our horses ( or probably even Invercargill ) I dare say we WOULD GET FLOGGED and run last every time. Current NZ trainers and Drivers are a Very high standard , and anyone New would be No Chance. even at the grass tracks Dunn's and Williamsons and Hopes what not race there.

You are almost at Elite Level in Every NZ location Mr Galah. Is excellent racing , and world class competitors.  

so your saying grass roots particpants can no longer compete anywhere,even though if you go back 20 years,grass roots people had no trouble competing for the previous 100 years or so.

actually ,i would partly agree with that.

i talk about mindset as being a significant factor in peoples participation. Well part of the reason grass track meetings still have good numbers,is because the small time trainers who go there don't fear having to run against horses who they think are both superior and on legal performance enhancers.You mention the likes of the dunns,hopes,williamsons being too good at the grass tracks. The trainers you mention who attend the grass track meetings are repected,both for their horses but also their attitude to fair play,

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

12 hours ago, Gammalite said:

NO. Definitely No . just the last 3 years with Swayzee, Leap To Fame , Bettor Eclipse, Arcee Phoenix , Keayang Zahara , Just Believe and possibly more but mainly those SIX horses took out about 12 Group Ones or so,  the past 3 years.

Before that just Kerryn Manning winning the Cup in 2015 with Arden Rooney was the ONLY Big Aussie Win in NZ in 12 years since the TRIFECTA in the Interdominion at Auckland in 2010. Quinney, Blacks A Fake, Smoken up DQed .

I'm TheMightyQuinn did win the Auckland Cup 2011 and 2013 so that was pretty good for the wild West. but you guys hate Auckland trotting so might not count those. Several of Mark Purdons Auckland Cup winners (about 8 in a row he won with Nat)  including the old marvel Self Assured won Auckland Cups as well and are Australian owned/purchased. 

But Really It's ONLY since 2022 that the Aussies have arrived in bulk to plunder the NZ races,  and Won all your Big races. a trend likely to continue as well.  

i think australia is just going through a patch where they have the better horses. I don't think its any different to the past. I don't agree with you there.

the likes of gammalite/popular alm ,lightning blue /steel jaw/etc,etc so many aussie horses over the years who came to the nz cup and interdominions ,they have been doing it for decdaes and decades. Its not a new thing.

[the galah]

9 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

You making stuff up again Galah !

The guy you refer to is a Crusaders man.....Canterbury , red and black ! The most one-eyed bunch in the land !

And Rugby certainly been thru the wringer at times , spending more than they earn !

Racing often spoken in the same breathe as racing  , as it once was when there were no alternatives.

Auckland actually were so unbeatable a while back they took the Shield on the road to show the rest of Country, then when Canterbury decided to improve and get out of the cellar ,what did they do........starting importing dozens of great players from Auckland, Northland and Taranaki in particular and sent  others to their feeder team Tasman to add even more depth.

Maybe this should be reversed now and Canterbury can send say 80-100 horses North now. Any horses cos Auckland has the top Stallions ,top trainers and drivers to make their own luck , and become great again !

So send horses and $$$$ North and be a little generous !

 

yes,i was watching a rugby show just yesterday and jeff wilson mentioned all 5 super rugby franchises have lost a lot of money,one over a $ million in the last year.

people in canterbury are nothing like they used to be when it comes to the one eyed mindset.

the population has been diluted by too many jaffas coming down to canterbury and buying the cheaper housing. It certainly wouldn't be for the warmer weather. Lots of people who talk in languages i don't understand.

They say selwyn is nz's fastest growing area. I just can't understand that myself. The weather is worse than invercargill in some of the populated parts of selwyn. We currently rent a house in rolleston and that house sold for $416,000 in 2020,now 5 years later its on the market for over $700,000. We are surrounded by houses with indians,middle eastern  people in them.If i go for a walk the most notable thing is theirs no maoris here,the tradesmen ,and theres lots are 75% white and about 15% filipino. The people you past in the steets or see in their houses,more indians than any other group.

i was brought up in the days of one eyed cantabrians. If you lived in parts of canterbury,but not central canterbury you were not considered a true camtabrian and you were always gettingb stick and giving it back,because iof that.

i rmember the gold old days of when canterbury had the ranfulry shield.

i fmember ,i think when raidio stations useed to all be local and broadcast the local rep games and provincial games live,no matter what dfay or time it was.

i still rmember listening to the likes of ken andeson commentatries on the canterbury games. I remember driving to the addington races one day,listening to the radio and ken anderson describing the shield match. I still rmember his words.

he described a try canterbury scored. how gloomy it was,players covered in mud and then out of the gloom victor simpson was given the ball,simpson side stepped one way,then the other,yet all the oppostion could see through the gloom was a pair of eyes wide open darting one way then the next in front of them,they never had a chance,.it was no wonder simpson....anyway you get the picture. Of course he was playing on simpson also being a maori. ken anderson was a great rugby commentator .Everyone used to mimic him.But thats when cantabrians were one eyed,fair,but very tough. If you were from canterbury,you were one of us,if not you weren't. Those one eyed days will never return to the good old days..

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

Auckland actually were so unbeatable a while back they took the Shield on the road to show the rest of Country, then when Canterbury decided to improve and get out of the cellar ,what did they do........starting importing dozens of great players from Auckland, Northland and Taranaki in particular and sent  others to their feeder team Tasman to add even more depth.

Bullshit.  Geez you can spin a yarn.  When was "a while back"?  They didn't import "dozens of great players" either.  The did select players that had potential that no one else wanted and turned them into great players.  Norm Berryman, Caleb Ralph, Norm Maxwell were the early ones.  

Auckland and Canterbury both went through periods of being unbeatable - neither held a mortgage on it.  Auckland Rugby lost its way when they abandoned club rugby and focussed on senior school rugby.  Canterbury focussed on both as well as drawing in the rest of the Crusader franchise.  Auckland abandoned their neighbouring Unions as well.  Canterbury didn't. 

I guess in that respect there are parallels with what has happened at Alexandra Park and the ATC.

9 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

Maybe this should be reversed now and Canterbury can send say 80-100 horses North now. Any horses cos Auckland has the top Stallions ,top trainers and drivers to make their own luck , and become great again !

So send horses and $$$$ North and be a little generous !

Why bail Auckland out?

[Gammalite]

53 minutes ago, the galah said:

If i was to look at the slot races and say,do they give the harness media something to focus on and does it get some positive publicity for a couple of days racing,then yes it does.

yep . that's what they're all about. And the chance for Non regular races goers to get involved in buying a slot and racing a champion horse for a day.

These races are in the Very Infant years and only just kicked off at Addington for their inaugural ones last year, so you're super Quick to lampoon a great way of having the rich Participants of the Sport Fund themselves for some FANTASTIC racing. Some of the Best horses and Racing of ALL time has been accomplished already. You got to see Leap To Fame and Just Believe at Cambridge !!! of all places. What an Amazing thing to happen.  

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, the galah said:

But thats when cantabrians were one eyed,fair,but very tough. If you were from canterbury,you were one of us,if not you weren't. Those one eyed days will never return to the good old days..

I suggest you get out more.  The Crusaders are still the most successful sporting franchise of the modern era.

[Gammalite]

32 minutes ago, the galah said:

the likes of gammalite/popular alm ,lightning blue /steel jaw/etc,etc

They were ALL in my NZ days 40 years ago . Sure later on in the 90's Our Sir Vance lot , Golden Reign and Baltic Eagle All won the Interdominion in NZ for Australian Trainers. Buts that's a race for Aus and New Zealand Competitors .  so it doesn't count as taking the money off the kiwis

Only other one I can think of is Westburn Grant winning the NZ Derby in the early 90'? s. La Cooccaracha won a Rowe Cup at one stage. 

But really? Aus success on the magnificent NZ race tracks . Very light before the last 3 years. Where it's been very Heavy lol. Bloody Swayzee. if he goes over again (without a handicap ) i'm gunna get cranky lol.  

 

[Gammalite]

43 minutes ago, the galah said:

so your saying grass roots particpants can no longer compete anywhere,even though if you go back 20 years,grass roots people had no trouble competing for the previous 100 years or so.

What I Obviously Meant it is VERY Very hard for your grass roots competitors to Win a Race these days. 

I watch the NZ racing time to time. Some very good stables and drivers even race at your 'obscure ' Bush meetings and it's hard to win. The Hope stable , The Dunn's , Mark Jones, and other elite Nairns and that sort of thing,  all compete regularly on the Grass track season even, stopping MOST owner trainers from paying their way with prizemoney. It's just impossible. 20 years is a long time with not many wins for some Mr Galah.

Thankfully in Brisbane we put on slow Thursdays for the 'crawlers' , and even a Marburg event once or twice a month for the 30 second quarter capable horses to get a win. you don't have that luxury in NZ. so In Effect You have No mug races. There's only races that have good trainers or drivers in them.  Grass roots Have been Mowed off the paddock in NZ mate. I'm glad you appreciate 100 years of wonderful tradition though. Sadly missing from most these days.  

Look at Auckland for example . used to be 100 trainers. Only about 20 'all elites' left now, and Dr Chin still lol. .  I even pointed out MARK PURDON was having trouble Winning at Auckland for past year. That's how bloody hard it is these days. TUNGSTEN Hard 🤣 .  But he is on the bounce back with 2 winners last week. nice to see. 

[Gammalite]

26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Auckland and Canterbury both went through periods of being unbeatable

 

31 minutes ago, the galah said:

people in canterbury are nothing like they used to be when it comes to the one eyed mindset

 

10 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

Racing often spoken in the same breathe as racing  , as it once was when there were no alternatives.

Auckland actually were so unbeatable a while back they took the Shield on the road to show the rest of Country, then when Canterbury decided to improve and get out of the cellar

Go away TABman . Canterbury always the home of Rugby. Check out Robbie Deans here always winning the games in my NZ days.

They even had a song on the Radio All the time. "When the Heats on, Robbie's got the boots on. BOOT IT Robbie !!"

Used to sing along to it in Auckland even. Here's some Happy Folk storming the ground after Yet another Robbie Deans Match winner. The Galah probably flapping about in the middle there somewhere 👍🤣😋

 

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Here's some Happy Folk storming the ground after Yet another Robbie Deans Match winner.

I was shoulder to shoulder on the embankment!!!

[mikeynz]

Give it a boot Robbie, and the other song The Canterbury Machine, brilliant compositions, hard to believe those songs came out about the time Kevin Bloody Wilson started out his musical career, Kev though unlike Rugby can still sell out a concert and Rugby is mostly played in front of modest crowds mostly.

Ken Anderson, great caller but if I'm correct not so popular away from the microphone, somewhere Rugby lost it's place among the pshyche of many New Zealanders, or maybe that's because many New Zealanders now are from foreign origins and like Horse Racing in Auckland just not interested.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I suggest you get out more.  The Crusaders are still the most successful sporting franchise of the modern era.

your inferring i said something i didn't again.

i never  referred to the crusaders franchise.

i was talking about the general population of christchurch and one eyedness.

Theres no way the general population of canterbury is as one eyed as it used to be. Sure there will be pockets of it,but no way its as prevelant as it used to be. All i did was explain the reason for that was because so many people from other areas now lived there and the make up of the popiulation had changed due to immigration as well as migration within nz. 

all you haver to do is walk around some areas of christchurch.

Where we  currently live,the closest 10 houses would have  no maoris,3 houses of white people,4 of indians,1 of filipinos and one of a middle eastern country that i cant quite work out what it is they are saying. the previous place we lived,surrounded by asians.,mostly chinese.

the indians mostly rent like us. Some of the people who own their homes  are quite rich going by what they have.

If you think these people who come to canterbury in the last 10 years are 1 eyed cantabrians,your kidding yourself.

Now i don't care either way what colour people are,but i can make an obvious observation.

also i can tell you,not 1 says hullo if you walk past them.white or brown.Most never open there windows.Thats canterbury for you these days.

Edited 15 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

12 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

You making stuff up again Galah !

The guy you refer to is a Crusaders man.....Canterbury , red and black ! 

actually just reading that bit again.

i don't make stuff up as i never said he isn't a crusaders man to the core.He and his board at canterbury rugby stuck with rob penny,becuase,thats just the make up and thinking of canterbury rugby people. You don't throw a loyal servant of canterbury rugby to the wolves when the going gets tough..thats why they win so much.I liked that and hoped that would come through with his decision making when it came to canterbury harness racing,which is the heartbeat of the nz racing industry.

But it hasn't and i don't think he really is in touch with the thinking of the people the industry is losing in canterbury.

you have to judge people by their actions,not their words..Rugby and racing are two different industries.

Edited 15 hours ago by the galah

[mikeynz]

7 minutes ago, the galah said:

 

also i can tell you,not 1 says hullo if you walk past them.white or brown.Most never open there windows.Thats canterbury for you these days.

Think you may find thats par for the course in most places these days The only way people communicated these day is through social media/Facebook and the like, the art of conversation is beyond some.

[mikeynz]

Old TAB man goes on about Auckland in rugby but Auckland in Rugby is in its poorest state ever, none of the 3 teams in the NPC are going well, Auckland were 11th last year, no good waffling on about the Blues, those sides are composite sides of players from all over, but few could deny that players who go to Christchurch, Crusaders seem to flourish, those going to other franchises in many cases not so.

[mikeynz]

I feel like I'm talking to myself at present but did a bit of Wikipedian, Auckland has 40% of the population, European,  34% Asian, Wellington and Christchurch, around 75% European, so it's not NZedders who are growing the numbers up north but the Asians escaping one congested shithole and creating another here but if you could only get all those Asians to ride bikes like they do back home instead of driving cars, no need to build more roads, just maintain the ones they got.

[TAB For Ever]

2 hours ago, mikeynz said:

I feel like I'm talking to myself at present but did a bit of Wikipedian, Auckland has 40% of the population, European,  34% Asian, Wellington and Christchurch, around 75% European, so it's not NZedders who are growing the numbers up north but the Asians escaping one congested shithole and creating another here but if you could only get all those Asians to ride bikes like they do back home instead of driving cars, no need to build more roads, just maintain the ones they got.

Doubt if you see too many Asians lurking around your cave area down in the deep south ! They prefer cities where there are things to do and opportunities to create businesses and money making ventures !

[TAB For Ever]

3 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Old TAB man goes on about Auckland in rugby but Auckland in Rugby is in its poorest state ever, none of the 3 teams in the NPC are going well, Auckland were 11th last year, no good waffling on about the Blues, those sides are composite sides of players from all over, but few could deny that players who go to Christchurch, Crusaders seem to flourish, those going to other franchises in many cases not so.

Yes , the Crusaders have been my team in the Professional area so I attended many of their games , even coached and refereed some of their players when they were younger ! 

[TAB For Ever]

3 hours ago, the galah said:

actually just reading that bit again.

i don't make stuff up as i never said he isn't a crusaders man to the core.He and his board at canterbury rugby stuck with rob penny,becuase,thats just the make up and thinking of canterbury rugby people. You don't throw a loyal servant of canterbury rugby to the wolves when the going gets tough..thats why they win so much.I liked that and hoped that would come through with his decision making when it came to canterbury harness racing,which is the heartbeat of the nz racing industry.

But it hasn't and i don't think he really is in touch with the thinking of the people the industry is losing in canterbury.

you have to judge people by their actions,not their words..Rugby and racing are two different industries.

My reference was to your comment that the HRNZ Chair was on NZRFU Board.....no......he linked to Crusaders !

Edited 11 hours ago by TAB For Ever
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