priceless Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Another fall in the south island.The standard of riding in the south island is appalling.Kumara,Hokitika and now Wingatui.All apprentices.Clipping heels and poking into places they shouldn't be in.How long will it be before there is a disaster ??The teaching of these riders is the disaster at present and is obviously way below what is needed for raceday.This needs to be sorted out {the teaching of these riders} asap and NZTR needs to address it.How many warnings do they think they are going to get. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) some of these West Coast S. I. races look like something out of the Wild West. You are right to note the terrible standard and seek redress form the authorities. If you're serious about getting it fixed, I suggest you contact NZRB formally, or Health and Safety HQ. NZRB is unlikely to respond to post on this website (or any other), however accurate they may be. Edited January 24, 2019 by Weasel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 This is not new, the standard has been low for years now. As for having a punt on these races, its a no no. It appears to be getting worse by the week. And soon a fatality will happen if not addressed. I gave up punting on NZ racing except for the odd bet up Nth, preferring Victorian racing, as standard of riding, and state of tracks far superior to anything in NZ. Now with comingling and much better pools, why would you choose to bet on Sth Island racing. Just does not make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Weasel said: some of these West Coast S. I. races look like something out of the Wild West. You are right to note the terrible standard and seek redress form the authorities. If you're serious about getting it fixed, I suggest you contact NZRB formally, or Health and Safety HQ. NZRB is unlikely to respond to post on this website (or any other), however accurate they may be. Dont think NZRB have anything to do with riding standards...and if they did their new website will be occupying all their time....NZTR are the ones who are ( supposedly) running gallops. I go back a fair way and I have never cringed as often as I do now...and it's not confined to the South either although in recent weeks it would seem so. I recall Danielle taking nearly taking out a horse and rider for no good reason other than that she could - only to get a hand- slap... and Leith brought down the McKay lad at Wellington, think he knows better too. But they get away with it. If the best riders consistently push boundaries the learners have no show of improving. Edited January 24, 2019 by Freda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, priceless said: Another fall in the south island.The standard of riding in the south island is appalling.Kumara,Hokitika and now Wingatui.All apprentices.Clipping heels and poking into places they shouldn't be in.How long will it be before there is a disaster ??The teaching of these riders is the disaster at present and is obviously way below what is needed for raceday.This needs to be sorted out {the teaching of these riders} asap and NZTR needs to address it.How many warnings do they think they are going to get. You are so right. Action is needed before the worst scenario is presented. The granting of licences, the competence of the young in trackwork/ trials, the apprentice school system itself is so far behind what is required internationally. We have bumbled along because of the ability of trainers - some who have been riders themselves, to adequately teach - but when that skillset is missing there is nothing filling the gap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priceless Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Weasel said: some of these West Coast S. I. races look like something out of the Wild West. You are right to note the terrible standard and seek redress form the authorities. If you're serious about getting it fixed, I suggest you contact NZRB formally, or Health and Safety HQ. NZRB is unlikely to respond to post on this website (or any other), however accurate they may be. I have contacted NZTR and hopefully they will follow it up and address the problem.First they need to identify who and why this is such a huge problem before a fatality occurs.I live in hope but am not overly hopeful with this lot.The gentleman I spoke to assured me itwould be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, priceless said: I have contacted NZTR and hopefully they will follow it up and address the problem.First they need to identify who and why this is such a huge problem before a fatality occurs.I live in hope but am not overly hopeful with this lot.The gentleman I spoke to assured me itwould be addressed. Me wonders if their are now going to have a look at this issue because you have raised it with them . The standard of riding in this country is atrocious and has been for many years , i'm thinking if it hasn't been addressed by now chances are you've just been given some lip service . Saying that good to see Innes get 5 weeks for the fall at Trentham and his appeal dismissed , maybe just maybe they are going to get serious with issue because the riders aren't listening . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priceless Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, nomates said: Me wonders if their are now going to have a look at this issue because you have raised it with them . The standard of riding in this country is atrocious and has been for many years , i'm thinking if it hasn't been addressed by now chances are you've just been given some lip service . Saying that good to see Innes get 5 weeks for the fall at Trentham and his appeal dismissed , maybe just maybe they are going to get serious with issue because the riders aren't listening . I really do hope they follow it up.I will keep my ear to the ground and I will ring the gentleman back in a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, priceless said: Another fall in the south island.The standard of riding in the south island is appalling.Kumara,Hokitika and now Wingatui.All apprentices.Clipping heels and poking into places they shouldn't be in.How long will it be before there is a disaster ??The teaching of these riders is the disaster at present and is obviously way below what is needed for raceday.This needs to be sorted out {the teaching of these riders} asap and NZTR needs to address it.How many warnings do they think they are going to get. I don't completely disagree with this but yesterdays fall had more to do with a horse stopping like a shot unit than an apprentice "poking into places they shouldn't" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Pitman said: I don't completely disagree with this but yesterdays fall had more to do with a horse stopping like a shot unit than an apprentice "poking into places they shouldn't" Yes, you're right..but that particular horse had been served up such a horrid ride that it was entitled to stop like it was shot. I realise the younger riders can't read a race like the older riders can [ or should ] but one senior rider did comment that it was a given that the horse would come back sharply....and there seems to be no one helping these novice riders to learn. I bet Kavish is awake to that scenario in future..! but he's lucky he wasn't hurt badly. It's not just about sitting nicely and riding a balanced finish. Edited January 25, 2019 by Freda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIME FOR CHANGE Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Freda said: Yes, you're right..but that particular horse had been served up such a horrid ride that it was entitled to stop like it was shot. I realise the younger riders can't read a race like the older riders can [ or should ] but one senior rider did comment that it was a given that the horse would come back sharply... Wasn't that horse ridden by a senior North Island jockey...………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priceless Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 Dylan Turner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I would have thought these young lads not familiar with the tight country circuit, get any some advice from senior riders ,or the apprentice mentors, who have probably ridden around these circuits many times. But then again like alot of apprentices in all trades,do they want to listen or be told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priceless Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Shad said: I would have thought these young lads not familiar with the tight country circuit, get any some advice from senior riders ,or the apprentice mentors, who have probably ridden around these circuits many times. But then again like alot of apprentices in all trades,do they want to listen or be told. I think one of the main issues is that they are not being taught and until this happens the situation will not even start to correct itself.A lot of this is very basic stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 hours ago, priceless said: I think one of the main issues is that they are not being taught and until this happens the situation will not even start to correct itself.A lot of this is very basic stuff. Basic indeed. So many of these young riders come from overseas jurisdictions at the moment. It is next to impossible to attract young kiwis to apprenticeships, we need these young riders here and they are, generally, delightful kids and nice enough riders. But they have ( mostly) learned on flat uniform circuits and have not been taught the skills needed to adapt to the many and varied tracks here. The language difficulties are also a very significant handicap for them...they are so polite usually that they dont like to acknowledge that they haven't understood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 And another matter I've just remembered...a senior was reprimanded at Hokitika for ' easing the pace'. He was outside the leader and steadied going into the tight bend....as he should after years of riding around there. He just threw his hands up and left. What show of improving the riding do we really have ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Most seem to ride into those tight corners, instead of riding around them, and we see the same every year, but with out these overseas riders the meetings would be compromised, the pace easing seems to happen in most staying races, and just a sprint home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I must stand corrected...the caution was given at Reefton not Hoki. Same principle.....but an even sillier stance as the race was won by Attimo in track record time...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 In my opinion the main reason is the Stewards for the sad decline of the riding standards, We have had cones left on a track,horses loaded into wrong stalls with a steward around at the start to check on this issue,Stewards inspecting tracks prior to racing and declaring them safe,when clearly they were not etc. They give to many warnings,when charges should be laid and this leads to horses been checked and put out of contention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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