Steven Posted August 28 Posted August 28 On 25/08/2025 at 4:23 PM, hesi said: 0.17 on the vid, quoting Garner's narrative. "Becks Nairn says the time has come to ban horse racing for good" Becks Nairn has been able to establish herself as a reformist voice, however, her credibility falls apart on examination. Her assertions, especially as to Arcano, the grey standardbred, are laced with ex post facto dramatics and lack forensic support. Had Arcano incurred the internal trauma she claims now, euthanasia would have been required at Stable to Stirrup. It wasn’t. She even trained him herself after sale to the new owner but to no avail without her recognising the symptoms that she would later practice as pathology. The horse later performed successfully in Marlborough. His death conditions are vague. What we know is that Nairn might have approved the euthanasia herself- not a trained veterinary body. She then dissected him, capitalised the process and directly profited by his remains. I have demanded time-stamped vet slips, pathology results, and peer review results, three times, publicly. She has produced nothing. Where is the letter of the CEO of Harness Racing? Where is the amended autopsy report? I do not think it comes with blood pathology or certifiable supervision. Rather she makes money behind a paywall, selling butchered narratives to an audience fooled by style over content. She is rhetorically savvy. Her 50,000 followers gave her the assumption of sweeping indictments, outlawing racing, and weaponising her charisma. Yet in the absence of forensic evidence, her platform is a study of how to manipulate the narrative. Whenever confronted by experts, she silences critics by blocking out her platforms and mobilising her followers to suppress critics. I’ve documented this pattern. It is not reform—it is control. Implication is not evidence that I tolerate. I want timestamps, receipts, pathology which is checked by qualified experts, not narrative, not drama, no retroactive assertions. Until she can do so, her accusations stand on air, and her platform is an excellent cautionary library of the sophism of evasion. 1 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 01:10 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:10 AM A brilliant post that has put far more eloquently what I and others have been saying. Well said @Steven. Needed a topic of its own! 1 Quote
hesi Posted Tuesday at 01:33 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:33 AM If you dig deeper with Becks Nairn on her FB page, she has as friends, the same old names of racing malcontents and conspiracy theorists that regularly post on that FB Thoroughbred site Quote
the galah Posted Tuesday at 06:51 AM Posted Tuesday at 06:51 AM (edited) On 28/08/2025 at 8:11 PM, Steven said: Becks Nairn has been able to establish herself as a reformist voice, however, her credibility falls apart on examination. Her assertions, especially as to Arcano, the grey standardbred, are laced with ex post facto dramatics and lack forensic support. Had Arcano incurred the internal trauma she claims now, euthanasia would have been required at Stable to Stirrup. It wasn’t. She even trained him herself after sale to the new owner but to no avail without her recognising the symptoms that she would later practice as pathology. The horse later performed successfully in Marlborough. His death conditions are vague. What we know is that Nairn might have approved the euthanasia herself- not a trained veterinary body. She then dissected him, capitalised the process and directly profited by his remains. I have demanded time-stamped vet slips, pathology results, and peer review results, three times, publicly. She has produced nothing. Where is the letter of the CEO of Harness Racing? Where is the amended autopsy report? I do not think it comes with blood pathology or certifiable supervision. Rather she makes money behind a paywall, selling butchered narratives to an audience fooled by style over content. She is rhetorically savvy. Her 50,000 followers gave her the assumption of sweeping indictments, outlawing racing, and weaponising her charisma. Yet in the absence of forensic evidence, her platform is a study of how to manipulate the narrative. Whenever confronted by experts, she silences critics by blocking out her platforms and mobilising her followers to suppress critics. I’ve documented this pattern. It is not reform—it is control. Implication is not evidence that I tolerate. I want timestamps, receipts, pathology which is checked by qualified experts, not narrative, not drama, no retroactive assertions. Until she can do so, her accusations stand on air, and her platform is an excellent cautionary library of the sophism of evasion. I get what your saying, no one can argue her findings about arcano lack specific professional forensic support. that would have proved costly had she gone ahead and paid for that herself.Instead we are left to take on face value what she says she was told by a couple of vets and that the pictures she shows are from the right horse. But i don't think its reasonable to infer, what she said was done with an intent to mislead. iAnyone who has worked in a freezing works knows lungs come in all degrees of health and who really knows when and what point stress or trauma happened in an animals life. All they can tell without knowing the animals history is it did happen at some stage. So i agree she made assumptions without possibly knowing the full life hisrotory of the horse. but to be fair,assuming she has accurately identified there was damage. But she is relying not only on that but other factors.e.g. 1) hrnz came out with statements cleary concerned at what their intelligence had told them was the use of xenon.Just reaad their press satements at the time 2)m kerr was one of the trainers widely rumoured to be involved in its use. i thought nearly everyone knew that. 3) the fact that m kerr was able to achieve a total form reversal with arcano ,from consistently running down the track at manawatu and nelson, to winning impressively at addington,after having him for just 5 weeks. Then the following week dropping out a well beaten last. 4)the fact arcano was now dead which she says was a result of the horse getting sick and not respending to treatments.-when did that happen.Hard to tell because he just shows up as being deregistered on the hrnz website. Obviously it happened some tiime in the last 5 years. 5)with your claim that On 28/08/2025 at 8:11 PM, Steven said: Had Arcano incurred the internal trauma she claims now, euthanasia would have been required at Stable to Stirrup. It wasn’t. aren't you just doing what you are criticisng her for doing. i.e. making assumptions. Interestly you seem to have tried to link her to being instrumental in arcano being put down. So whats the point of saying that. do you think people are going to think someone who dedicates there time to rehoming horses is somehow going to have a change that mindset. anyway,i think you overestimate what you say is her skill to be rhetorically savvy and underestimate her audience which you say is easily fooled. as i said on the other thread on this forum,i think this topic is a bit of a no brainer. Its not about her,its about what shs saying and like it or not,the reason she has 50,000 followers( i have no idea whether thats a lot or not for facebook) but it tends to suggest that the industry should be working to get her on board instread of fighting her message.think Edited Tuesday at 06:56 AM by the galah 2 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 06:59 AM Posted Tuesday at 06:59 AM 21 minutes ago, the galah said: as i said on the other thread on this forum,i think this topic is a bit of a no brainer. Its not about her,its about what shs saying and like it or not,the reason she has 50,000 followers( i have no idea whether thats a lot or not for facebook) but it tends to suggest that the industry should be working to get her on board instread of fighting her message.think Why would the industry even consider working with someone as duplitious as her? That aside what are HRNZ not doing that they should be? @Steven has written a very well reasoned and logical post that shows there is nothing to be gained by engaging with Nairn. If Nairn was credible then she would have answered his questions and in the first place made sure that there was no uncertainty. Surely if she was genuine then cost wouldn't have been an issue as she earns money from her FB page and allegedly has 50,000 followers who, if they are as concerned as you infer, would surely have dipped into their pockets to assist. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 07:13 AM Posted Tuesday at 07:13 AM 13 minutes ago, the galah said: hrnz came out with statements cleary concerned at what their intelligence had told them was the use of xenon.Just reaad their press satements at the time I have but they seem to contradict what you are saying. Essentially HRNZ said no comment other than they were able to test for Xenon use. Quote
the galah Posted Tuesday at 07:19 AM Posted Tuesday at 07:19 AM (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why would the industry even consider working with someone as duplitious as her? well,whether you like it or not, its the best starting point. you bring people like that on board for several reasons. i do think shes genuine and is talking about issues that need constant regular tweeks as to what is best policy. you give her the opportunity to raise all grievances with you first. Knowing whats coming is better than not knowing. And you give her the opportunity for her to give her solutions,no harm done listening.. it would be a double edged sword for her ,if she was asked by the industry to work with them. so i think there is definite value in trying to get her on board,even if down the track you decided to use the knowledge of how she thinks and acts, to your advantage if matters get a public airing.As these type of things periodically do. theres a reason why the industry is so sensitive to the issues shes raised. Edited Tuesday at 07:21 AM by the galah Quote
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 08:21 AM Posted Tuesday at 08:21 AM 58 minutes ago, the galah said: well,whether you like it or not, its the best starting point. you bring people like that on board for several reasons. You can't bring "people like that on board" they are more intransigent than you are on most things and as much as @Brodie is on wagering with TABNZ. 1 hour ago, the galah said: you give her the opportunity to raise all grievances with you first. Knowing whats coming is better than not knowing. And you give her the opportunity for her to give her solutions,no harm done listening.. Seriously @the galah what would she know before any of the professionals? I heard the BS conspiracies for the last 50 years in racing very very few of them have any veracity. Leave it to the professionals. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 08:28 AM Posted Tuesday at 08:28 AM 1 hour ago, the galah said: theres a reason why the industry is so sensitive to the issues shes raised. Which is? I know what your answer is that "there is dirty laundry lying hidden". But no evidence. People are sensitive because it is the likes of Nairn and those who seek to empower her (you?) that make life unenjoyable for hard working participants the majority of whom (99.5%) just want to get on and make racing work. Quote
hesi Posted Tuesday at 09:52 AM Posted Tuesday at 09:52 AM 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Which is? I know what your answer is that "there is dirty laundry lying hidden". But no evidence. People are sensitive because it is the likes of Nairn and those who seek to empower her (you?) that make life unenjoyable for hard working participants the majority of whom (99.5%) just want to get on and make racing work. The trouble is with social media, that 0.5% make so much noise, one could be forgiven for thinking the 0.5% is in the ascendancy, when they are only 0.5% and the other 99.5% just want to get on and make the best of the new opportunities that have come along. Good post, you are learning lol 1 Quote
the galah Posted Tuesday at 09:58 AM Posted Tuesday at 09:58 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Which is? I know what your answer is that "there is dirty laundry lying hidden". But no evidence. People are sensitive because it is the likes of Nairn and those who seek to empower her (you?) that make life unenjoyable for hard working participants the majority of whom (99.5%) just want to get on and make racing work. she or i make life unenjoyable for hard working participants. i'll give you points for consistency,for you, its always the fault of people like us. 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: You can't bring "people like that on board" they are more intransigent than you are on most things and as much as @Brodie is on wagering with TABNZ. Seriously @the galah what would she know before any of the professionals? I heard the BS conspiracies for the last 50 years in racing very very few of them have any veracity. Leave it to the professionals. they won't bring her on board,because racing hierachy don't think like that. And its because the hierachy don't think like that,that shes not on bioard and now has an outside platform with so many followers. as to what does she know. Well i thought most of what she has talked about, is rehoming racehorses and all the factors relating to that.Well this woman has credibilty because shes walked the walk,so to speak. there is something about her which may be a bit too judgmental even for my liking,but hey i think her hearts in the right place.that counts. Edited Tuesday at 10:01 AM by the galah 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago On 2/09/2025 at 9:58 PM, the galah said: she or i make life unenjoyable for hard working participants. i'll give you points for consistency,for you, its always the fault of people like us. Well it is when you make unfounded allegations with no evidence. Nearly all hard working participants now steer well clear of social media because of the BS that is posted. It is easier to ignore the rubbish than respond. That's another reason why the industry becomes insular. On 2/09/2025 at 9:58 PM, the galah said: they won't bring her on board,because racing hierachy don't think like that. Not because "they don't think like that" but because they have sense. On 2/09/2025 at 9:58 PM, the galah said: And its because the hierachy don't think like that,that shes not on bioard and now has an outside platform with so many followers. "Followers" - from where? Who are they? It is a bit like a forum saying that they have 14,000 members when it is absolute BS. Most of Nairn's "followers" will be bots. On 2/09/2025 at 9:58 PM, the galah said: as to what does she know. Well i thought most of what she has talked about, is rehoming racehorses and all the factors relating to that.Well this woman has credibilty because shes walked the walk,so to speak. Well you don't need to know that much to rehome horses but she has no experience to speak about what she is banging on about. In that regard she HASN'T walked the walk. Never has! On 2/09/2025 at 9:58 PM, the galah said: there is something about her which may be a bit too judgmental even for my liking,but hey i think her hearts in the right place.that counts. So emotion overrides facts? "oh she is a really nice person because she loves horses". Does she when she makes stuff up? I liken it to @Yankiwi who alleged he liked Greyhounds yet week after week was feeding journalists with false statistics and assertions because he "loved Greyhounds". In the end in his mind he acheived what he wanted to achieve and that was to end Greyhound Racing. Don't be fooled that is what Becks Nairn's objective is - to end horse racing using whatever means she can. Quote
hesi Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Flat Earth FB groups, some have thousands of followers, doesn't mean they have any more legitimacy than the collective bunch of crackpots that belong to them Quote
Gammalite Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 39 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Well it is when you make unfounded allegations with no evidence. Nearly all hard working participants now steer well clear of social media because of the BS that is posted. It is easier to ignore the rubbish than respond. That's another reason why the industry becomes insular. It's hard to get evidence Chief. People are sneaky like Weir and Yole and lots of others. The lady seems keen for horse welfare , as she commented on that ugly Kaikoura case (with evidence) , so just wants to see horses treated with dignity and respect. 40 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Don't be fooled that is what Becks Nairn's objective is - to end horse racing using whatever means she can. They won't stop racing Chief. It's been around 100's of years. and is populated with Millionaire competitors who are investing large amounts (like Mr Zhang with Yulong) so will be around a Loooonnng time yet. there's a Bit of difference between Stop racing advocates and Horse welfare advocates. FOR EXAMPLE : Curious is a welfare Advocate right here with you at BOAY horse (with all that too much whip stuff) but hasn't said he wants racing stopped at all. just refined a little. 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 45 minutes ago, Gammalite said: It's hard to get evidence Chief. People are sneaky like Weir and Yole and lots of others. It isn't hard even with the examples you have given. The fact is if you have no evidence than don't post accusations. This industry is far too quick at bringing itself down based on nothing more than envy. 48 minutes ago, Gammalite said: The lady seems keen for horse welfare , as she commented on that ugly Kaikoura case (with evidence) , so just wants to see horses treated with dignity and respect. That case was well reported in the media. Ironically it was reported as a "rehoming facility". Nairn is quite entitled to comment on that case as it was well reported in the public arena. However to say that it is indicative of a "big industry problem" is wrong. Then she uses that example to add credibiity to her other baseless claims. 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: They won't stop racing Chief. It's been around 100's of years. and is populated with Millionaire competitors who are investing large amounts (like Mr Zhang with Yulong) so will be around a Loooonnng time yet. Yes the Australian Thoroughbred Industry will be around for a long time going by the fact that SAFE only seems only able to rent about a dozen nutters to protest at a racecourse. However it is a different situation for NZ Standardbreds and have no doubt that the Anti-racing mob are targeting them next. Forcing the rehoming of EVERY retired racehorse will only speed up that process due to cost. 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: there's a Bit of difference between Stop racing advocates and Horse welfare advocates. FOR EXAMPLE : Curious is a welfare Advocate right here with you at BOAY horse (with all that too much whip stuff) but hasn't said he wants racing stopped at all. just refined a little. The outcome is the same by both mobs. The self righteous only fuel each other. Quote
the galah Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well it is when you make unfounded allegations with no evidence. Nearly all hard working participants now steer well clear of social media because of the BS that is posted. It is easier to ignore the rubbish than respond. That's another reason why the industry becomes insular. i'm not sure which specific bit of the current topic you say is unfounded allegations. The xenon gas thing was publically commented on by HRNZ at the time,so it was something acknowledged as real.they did not deny it.The racing industry narrative should be simply,we dealt with tah and its not relevant today as far as they know.But don't deny it happned. you use the hard working particpants thing a bit ,but i'm not sure why you think they are any different from the rest of the population,so i think your comment about them avoiding social media not accurate. you have just said people within the industry have become insular.. The defintion of insular is" ignorant or uninterested in the views of others outside their own interests".Well i don't think you've made an accurate comment.Personally i believe people within the industry magnify the significance of issues they or the industry have to deal with. Thats different from insular. 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Not because "they don't think like that" but because they have sense. "Followers" - from where? Who are they? It is a bit like a forum saying that they have 14,000 members when it is absolute BS. Most of Nairn's "followers" will be bots. Using he example of the persons views who we have been discussing. Well i'm saying she is an example of someone the industry should have recognised was getting to a point of possibly tarnishing the industries reputation to some degree and that could have been avoided had they dealt with her differently and addressed her concerns in a way that the industry could defend itself better. as to her number of followers,well someone said she had 50,000 on facebook.50,000 seems a lot to me, but i really have no idea whether thats a lot for facebook as i don't do facebook. 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well you don't need to know that much to rehome horses but she has no experience to speak about what she is banging on about. In that regard she HASN'T walked the walk. Never has! So emotion overrides facts? "oh she is a really nice person because she loves horses". Does she when she makes stuff up? I liken it to @Yankiwi who alleged he liked Greyhounds yet week after week was feeding journalists with false statistics and assertions because he "loved Greyhounds". In the end in his mind he acheived what he wanted to achieve and that was to end Greyhound Racing. Don't be fooled that is what Becks Nairn's objective is - to end horse racing using whatever means she can. i'm not sure why you would reference yankiwi. How did that end for the greyhound industry, In other words yankiwi wasn't the cause of the greyhound industries demise,he was simply someone who said,hey you have to deal with certain issues or else they will close the industry down. So he turned out to be correct. i believe the industry needs to control her narrative,whether it be by bringing her more into the fold to let her have some influence on matters she has raised,or by greater understanding of the message you need to counter her narrative. I'm really saying,the racing industry has to be very careful what messages they allow to go unfiltered to the oublic by anyone. The public really can have some warped sense of what should be a horses after racing life experience. Animal welfare groups,while well meaning,use the publics ignorance to turn a narrative.its just part of what they deem a necessary game they need to play to achieve their goals. and they do it well. Edited 5 hours ago by the galah 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 55 minutes ago, the galah said: i'm not sure which specific bit of the current topic you say is unfounded allegations. The xenon gas thing was publically commented on by HRNZ at the time,so it was something acknowledged as real.they did not deny it. DId you read what HRNZ actually said? Essentially it was we are aware of the ALLEGATIONS but NO COMMENT. Quote
curious Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Racing Integrity Unit general manager Mike Godber said he was aware of the substance, which is prohibited. However, he would not comment as to whether the RIU is investigating anyone over the use of the substance. Quote
Gammalite Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: However it is a different situation for NZ Standardbreds and have no doubt that the Anti-racing mob are targeting them next. Forcing the rehoming of EVERY retired racehorse will only speed up that process due to cost. Last I looked NZ has PLENTY of paddocks. and plenty of grass . and Standardbreds are generally gelded 80% + of the time ? well the 4 NZ Derby favourites coming up soon are geldings for example. Marketplace, Rubira , Midnight Miki and Got the Chocolates, so that you get the idea how many are gelded. Just dump the old gelding ones in a paddock somewhere to all run together when finished racing? . we used to while they were still racing half the time. They have fun together. They're a herd animal. costs bugger all. Just need someone to check em' now and again , trim their feet maybe with some hoof nippers . It's not hard. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, the galah said: i believe the industry needs to control her narrative,whether it be by bringing her more into the fold to let her have some influence on matters she has raised,or by greater understanding of the message you need to counter her narrative. Have you read anything that has been written about her? She was "in the fold" but left. HRNZ can't control HER narrative but they can control the Industry narrative. In my opinion they need to ignore her an go on the front foot. Greyhound Racing failed to do that even when they had a positive narrative to publish. Instead the got caught in reactive trench warfare. 1 hour ago, the galah said: Using he example of the persons views who we have been discussing. Well i'm saying she is an example of someone the industry should have recognised was getting to a point of possibly tarnishing the industries reputation to some degree and that could have been avoided had they dealt with her differently and addressed her concerns in a way that the industry could defend itself better. You CAN'T "address her concerns" because they are not aligned to having a sustainable racing industry. The best way is to ignore her and take the conversation to a higher level. HRNZ could do with some advice from a political communications advisor. 1 hour ago, the galah said: i'm not sure why you would reference yankiwi. How did that end for the greyhound industry, In other words yankiwi wasn't the cause of the greyhound industries demise,he was simply someone who said,hey you have to deal with certain issues or else they will close the industry down. So he turned out to be correct. @Yankiwi did exactly what Nairn is doing by promoting false information and feeding anti-racing journalists. When he acheived what he wanted to achieve he has disappeared. I doubt he will be rehoming any Greyhounds. Of course he was correct in the end because he was promoting a self-fulfilling prophecy using misinformation with poor statistics presented out of context. 1 hour ago, the galah said: The public really can have some warped sense of what should be a horses after racing life experience. Animal welfare groups,while well meaning,use the publics ignorance to turn a narrative.its just part of what they deem a necessary game they need to play to achieve their goals. and they do it well. I agree and most of the public are hypocrites. They over feed their pets causing health issues and fund thriving veterinary businesses. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 10 minutes ago, curious said: Racing Integrity Unit general manager Mike Godber said he was aware of the substance, which is prohibited. However, he would not comment as to whether the RIU is investigating anyone over the use of the substance. Exactly essentially a no comment. If I agree with @the galah on anything it is that HRNZ and the RIB should have managed the narrative better. Australia went on the front foot. Quote
the galah Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: DId you read what HRNZ actually said? Essentially it was we are aware of the ALLEGATIONS but NO COMMENT. xenon use has been alleged for a few years prior to the nz harness racing warning they were taking the allegations seriously. i think it was curious who posted on another topic a video of darren weir electric shocking his horses on a treadmill. How low does someone have to go to make money from racing. well coincidentally,Weir used those low oxygen tents didn't he. well do you think it was coincidence that it was eported racing analysts and sports scientists believed a ballarat trainer was using xenon in combination with low oxygen tents,where xenon gas replaced a % of oxygen as a way of increasing epo levels. of course,as you say ,all just suppositions ,like the racing analysts and sports scientists,what would they know. Just like the electric shocking at the time,all just guessing and like d weir,well he would never do anything like that to make his horses run faster. moral of the story, the truth may come out in the end. Edited 3 hours ago by the galah Quote
the galah Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: Last I looked NZ has PLENTY of paddocks. and plenty of grass . and Standardbreds are generally gelded 80% + of the time ? well the 4 NZ Derby favourites coming up soon are geldings for example. Marketplace, Rubira , Midnight Miki and Got the Chocolates, so that you get the idea how many are gelded. Just dump the old gelding ones in a paddock somewhere to all run together when finished racing? . we used to while they were still racing half the time. They have fun together. They're a herd animal. costs bugger all. Just need someone to check em' now and again , trim their feet maybe with some hoof nippers . It's not hard. its getting pretty hard to do that these days gammalite. if you look ,grazing in a paddock with no supervision seems to cost around $40 p.w. With supervision it can be over $70 p.w. in some places.So if you owned one of those good racehorses ,you could afford it,but if you had 4 that hadn't really paid their way but tried hard and had lovely natures then thats close to $200 a week, just to keep them in a paddock.99% of people just don't do that. then you have so many do gooders who have no idea. Just today,no bullshit,we were out feeding our old horses like we do everyday over winter and i had some woman come up to me and tell me she was disgusted that i never brushed them.Apparently she lives next door to someone who has a horse and brushes and rides it each day.so i should do the same with every horse we have. When i told her ,what the heck are you talking about,she said she would ring the spca. Our horses look fine,are fed everyday,but she wanted them brushed each day. Then she said they should be put down if i wasn't going to brush them like her neighbour does. Honestly you would not believe the number of people who poke their noses into what you do when you keep old horses .I've kept our old racehorses. Still have them.Once i had a call from an spca man who said he had a complaint someone who went to work each day,next to where 1 horse was paddocked,had never seen me feed that horse, Well he came and inspected it,like he had to,saw it was fine and i told him,well i work from 7am to 6p.m. so i feed it at night afer work. he just laughed,but i said its not really funny. Then i iused to every year,for 4 years when i was at another place,have a call from the same spca man as someone complained every year. He would ring up my mum,say,sorry to bother you but i've got another complaint and i know i will find nothing wrong,but i've got to come and have a look anyway. Then one day,he had arrived before i was able to get there and the caretaker told me when i arrived that the spca man had been trying to find out what it was that i had done to upset someone that they woulfd keep making false complaints about me. The caretaker told me,i tried to find out for you who the complainent was,but all the spca man would say,was its someone who you can see from here who obviously hates me.well i had no idea who he was talking about. Well i then complained to the spca man , who said he agreed,see if i can get the i.d. of the complainent released by the head man at the auckland spca. The auckland spca man said leave it with me. He never rung back so i rung him again and he said,yes,your right,there is someone making what the local spca said were maicious complaints every year,but unfortunately he couldn't release that persons details. Then the local spca man rung up and told me,hey this person is going to complain to hrnz now. So what happened. Someone from hrnz turns up when i wasn't there.So i ring that hrnz person up and say,who was it complaining and he said i can't tell you. Then i said well what did you find with the couple of horses i had there.He said nothing,they look fine,oh but what did you do with the horse in the paddock down there. I said,well you know the horses you said looked fine,well that is the horses that were in that paddock.He then commented Well you know the best thing to do is put a cover on your horse, thats what the spca said as well. And its true,you can have a perfectly healthy horse and people will complain and an unhealthy one with a cover,and people won't.I could also tell you the story about ,because we had a few horses,when it was published in the local paper that a racing person had a complaint laid with the spca that they were investigating. Well,blow me down,next thing its all over town that it was me and our horses. I just laughed it off as i'd dealt with all this type of crap before and knew it wasn't ours,they weren't even in the same province. but in the end i heard it that much that it did piss me off and i tracked down the person who started the rumours. Turned out to be someone i worked with who put 2 plus 2 and got 10. Idiot. Anyway,i knew who it was who was the subject of the article,it was a galloping person who would take in horses that no one wanted,trying to help them,but then got too many. She was having an affair,,as galloping people seem to a lot where i lived at the time,and the wife of the man she was having an affair with was out for revenge and went to the local paper. one thing i have learnt ,and it applies not just to keeping your old horses,but to everything. People who do something outside the norm are viewed as odd or unusual. its the way people think.they don't like seeing people do something outside the box,because it unsettles them for some reason. everyone has to make their own decision. No one should be telling me what i should do,just as i feel i have no rite to tell anyone else what to do. I can tell people what i would like to see happen,thats different from telling someone what to do. and then you add in all the half baked do gooders who have no idea what they are talking about around horse care. Edited 2 hours ago by the galah Quote
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