Chief Stipe Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I've never understood the benefit of speed maps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I've never understood the benefit of speed maps. Me neither though some punters (including barryb I think) make successful use of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Thomass said: How ridiculous what cost is there in connections informing Stewards and then tweeting for 20 seconds? sfa I'd estimate about $10 per notification. Someone has to pay, so I guess the poor owner can just cough up some more. 3 - 4 minutes of time from the trainer and the steward each. Yep, $10 easily. Not even counting monitoring/checking the outcome of the change. And what will the industry get back from that. Your last line - sfa. I'm pretty confident that if the rule exists, they will have to monitor it. Any that don't comply, more time. More expense. Edited February 5, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 Hilarious stuff... why not just stop checking all gear...which is what happens now... Stakemoney will sky rocket if They get rid of integrity functions too... Give up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Thomass said: Hilarious stuff... why not just stop checking all gear...which is what happens now... Stakemoney will sky rocket if They get rid of integrity functions too... Give up They already do that, and if you look at the cost of the RIU, the industry certainly pays for it. Change of tactics has no relationship with integrity. Only in your useless mind. An industry struggling, and you want owners to pay even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 And some NZ trainers behave with INTEGRITY towards the product Kevin Grey recently reported his neddy WHAT A SMASHER would be ridden from behind...he didn't have to Told the Stewards...who told Sweenz...who told the minuscule numbers watching Trackside To JUST GET ON the new uncontested leader...who duly won Did the Stewards tweet this info...as they do in Aus...to the masses who can't be sitting watching Trackside all day ...and who had done their speed maps before the race...but were not privy to the new info No, of course not No wonder NZ Punters have gone AWOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, mardigras said: I'd estimate about $10 per notification. Someone has to pay, so I guess the poor owner can just cough up some more. 3 - 4 minutes of time from the trainer and the steward each. Yep, $10 easily. Not even counting monitoring/checking the outcome of the change. And what will the industry get back from that. Your last line - sfa. I'm pretty confident that if the rule exists, they will have to monitor it. Any that don't comply, more time. More expense. Why would you have to pay for it? At most meetings they seem to have 4 stewards so what the hell do they do? surely one of them can be in charge of obtaining information/changes etc and passing it on,or is that too much like 2019... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kopia said: Why would you have to pay for it? At most meetings they seem to have 4 stewards so what the hell do they do? surely one of them can be in charge of obtaining information/changes etc and passing it on,or is that too much like 2019... That's right kop Its like what was accepted in the 80's as understood....is totes different in this day and age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kopia said: Why would you have to pay for it? At most meetings they seem to have 4 stewards so what the hell do they do? surely one of them can be in charge of obtaining information/changes etc and passing it on,or is that too much like 2019... Who pays for the trainer's time? Who pays for the investigation time? Nothing comes for free. There is always a cost. Maybe I'll give a trainer a horse to gallop. He's already doing that for another. Won't cost me anything. Edited February 5, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, mardigras said: Who pays for the trainer's time? Who pays for the investigation time? Nothing comes for free. There is always a cost. Maybe I'll give a trainer a horse to gallop. He's already doing that for another. Won't cost me anything. What about having a box to tick alongside GEAR CHANGES on the Trainers only site they have? JIGGER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 5 hours ago, mardigras said: Who pays for the trainer's time? Who pays for the investigation time? Nothing comes for free. There is always a cost. Maybe I'll give a trainer a horse to gallop. He's already doing that for another. Won't cost me anything. Stewards get paid regardless. They are on salaries. So why should owners pay them anything? I don't get your post. They get paid for doing sweet f all most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 thomas can you tell me what would you did if you had to restrain a horse going to start woukd you a let it go to front and tire out or come from the back you just had to see him going to start to suggest johns plan wouldnt work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Kopia said: Stewards get paid regardless. They are on salaries. So why should owners pay them anything? I don't get your post. They get paid for doing sweet f all most of the time. I hope you don't run a business that way. You're now suggesting they aren't employed to do a job already and that you can just add extra work to staff and it doesn't cost you, because you think they're doing sfa most of the time. I wouldn't want to work for you. Why would you want a unit tasked with racing integrity to administer something that has zero to do with racing integrity? Why not ask them to bake you some scones if they're doing sfa most of the time. Or maybe run some face painting for the kids at the races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 11 hours ago, gee said: thomas can you tell me what would you did if you had to restrain a horse going to start woukd you a let it go to front and tire out or come from the back you just had to see him going to start to suggest johns plan wouldnt work Gee, if I had to restrain a neddy my menisci would explode, both sets of brachii would be torn to shreds, and that's all before my poor f in coracobrachialis got munted... ...but I choose Option b of course Coming from behind is my raisin de tear in life as it always feels good coming over the top of the rest... you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 44 minutes ago, mardigras said: I hope you don't run a business that way. You're now suggesting they aren't employed to do a job already and that you can just add extra work to staff and it doesn't cost you, because you think they're doing sfa most of the time. I wouldn't want to work for you. Why would you want a unit tasked with racing integrity to administer something that has zero to do with racing integrity? Why not ask them to bake you some scones if they're doing sfa most of the time. Or maybe run some face painting for the kids at the races. Why are the INTEGRITY boys in Singas and Arse tweeting change of tactics if it's got nothing to do with them then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Thomass said: Why are the INTEGRITY boys in Singas and Arse tweeting change of tactics if it's got nothing to do with them then? Because they've listened to too many stupid people like you. Explain one aspect of change in tactics which is related to race integrity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, mardigras said: Because they've listened to too many stupid people like you. Explain one aspect of change in tactics which is related to race integrity? Because their Bosses have deemed it as part of their INTEGRITY function... Having Matty come off VOLKSTOCKINBARREL in a G2 race and telling Punters... "we were experimenting" simply means they were experimenting with Punters money... Next you'll be saying your mate Weiry was entitled to keep his jigger training a secret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, mardigras said: Because they've listened to too many stupid people like you. Explain one aspect of change in tactics which is related to race integrity? How are things travelling in the r.i.u. at the moment mardi ? Enjoying the job ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, Thomass said: Because their Bosses have deemed it as part of their INTEGRITY function.. Good to see that just because other organisations do stupid things, you think NZ should do them also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Because their Bosses have deemed it as part of their INTEGRITY function... Having Matty come off VOLKSTOCKINBARREL in a G2 race and telling Punters... "we were experimenting" simply means they were experimenting with Punters money... Next you'll be saying your mate Weiry was entitled to keep his jigger training a secret Trainers "experiment" all the time. It's called training a race horse. They are always looking to get the best out of their horses. Sometimes the "experiment" works sometimes it doesn't. As a punter if you can work out when then maybe you'd be better training than punting. I can't see the benefit of telling anyone what your race tactic will be. In harness they call that match fixing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I'm still waiting to read what the integrity issue is that isn't already covered under the rules of racing. Anyone? Such a big issue supposedly. How is it an issue for racing integrity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Trainers "experiment" all the time. It's called training a race horse. They are always looking to get the best out of their horses. Sometimes the "experiment" works sometimes it doesn't. As a punter if you can work out when then maybe you'd be better training than punting. I can't see the benefit of telling anyone what your race tactic will be. In harness they call that match fixing. Most horses have an established racing 'position'...nothing to do with training Last year Steph Marsh and Steve McKee said..."yes we should have the rule" They recognised the need to stay in touch with the punting dollar's competition in Aus and Singapore Kevin Gray recognised that need when signalling his 'experiment'...stuffed up by the non reporting stipes And some trainers wonder why Punters have buggered off to Australia still?? Beggers belief their stupidity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: Most horses have an established racing 'position'...nothing to do with training Rubbish - Gai Waterhouse trains all her horses to race handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) And if she wants to settle a horse to relax it... She knows she'll have to notify punters FFS, Waller does this willingly... I heard an interview with him once about providing Punters with as much information as possible He knows what drives prizemoney Or he'd be running for ribbons or in Yearling Sales races...once a year or so Edited February 6, 2019 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thomass said: And if she wants to settle a horse to relax it... She knows she'll have to notify punters FFS, Waller does this willingly... I heard an interview with him once about providing Punters with as much information as possible He knows what drives prizemoney Or he'd be running for ribbons or in Yearling Sales races...once a year or so But the reality is because you don't know if the change in tactic will work how can you factor that into your betting selections? I guess it provides more fodder for the mug punter to analyse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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