TAB / Betcha…. Please Gamble Responsibly!

[Murray Fish]

20 hours ago, hesi said:

Whereas 1400 Lotto outlets

Back in  day! in the lead up to Lotto, would it surprise you to know that a few of us suggested to Head Office that the TAB should fight to be the one that delievered technical backbone...   the Ostriches won out! 

It has been interesting that 'racing' has never championed how Lotto's take out is 45%

[Murray Fish]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned my Great Uncle from the 1970's who was a bigger punter than Bruton.  He had a special access to the back of the tote to make his bets. 

lol,.. I have had to suppress the urge to share some stories along those lines....

stories of a mate who might have  lost closer to 10 m than 1m!

the one who jumped out of a window many many floors up..

two! Death by car suicides..

[hesi]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Yes and lotto has not made younger gamblers a target. In fact they are much their lowest customer age group.

Lotto has blanket advertising for all its products; therefore young people can't help but be targeted

[hesi]

2 hours ago, curious said:

Research says that those messages are tokenistic and totally ineffective in reducing gambling harm which I am sure Entain well knows.

That may or may not be the case, but it is irrelevant.

Entain are seen to promoting gambling responsibly, further backed up by the array of tools on their website to assist people who may be having problems

[Newmarket]

2 minutes ago, hesi said:

That may or may not be the case, but it is irrelevant.

Entain are seen to promoting gambling responsibly, further backed up by the array of tools on their website to assist people who may be having problems

Come on Hesi…. your starting to sound like a Chief Mini Me, you used to have your own opinions, whats happened? 
 

How many people with an addiction seek help, well i will tell you, very, very few. Its usually when people are at rock bottom that help is sought, far to late. 
 

We have supermarkets now that have reduced hours for selling beer…. Bars that are looked at for supplying pissed customers grog….Work places that enforce strict rules to keep workers safe…. Casino staff giving punters time outs…. Lotto enforcing spending limits….. 

Then you have Betcha / TAB with their Safer Gambling BS…. which puts the onus back on to the punter, a bit of wording and if ya think ya spending to much, heres a couple of options but we want as many mugs punting as we can…we need more of them so Entain get their profits….

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Do you ever give your own views? FFS, you just copy and paste Steel Balls stories, we all know about them.. But whatever you say… he admitted he was a PROBLEM GAMBLER, he admitted to losing everything, even winnings from Creek. 
As per usual, you miss my main point, being it was harder to see what punters where losing 20 odd years ago compared to today, every deposit / bet / withdrawal, and now they have a monopoly it must be a clear picture of who the problem gamblers are

FFS give us all a break.  You bought Steel Balls into the debate not I.  You painted him as the tragic problem gambler to justify you Anti-ENTAIN stance.  Do you think he had overseas accounts and gambled overseas given he followed Lyell Creek everywhere?  Do you think he'd find it harder to lose in todays environment than one 23 years ago?

In that regard it appears to have stopped you.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

As per usual, you make it personal and think i am angry about Entain banning me gambling overseas, your right, i think its a piss take, but i am not angry, i am stiil betting at Sportsbet so dont be so sad. I have cut right back betting on Betcha / TAB on principle, nothing to do with me losing, you know nothing about myself, trust me i am doing well financially, invested in shares many years ago. 

Well that's beautiful.  So you are a hypocrite?

[Newmarket]

7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

FFS give us all a break.  You bought Steel Balls into the debate not I.  You painted him as the tragic problem gambler to justify you Anti-ENTAIN stance.  Do you think he had overseas accounts and gambled overseas given he followed Lyell Creek everywhere?  Do you think he'd find it harder to lose in todays environment than one 23 years ago?

In that regard it appears to have stopped you.

Oh dear…. you are well and truly missing the point, you are doing it to everyone on this site, hope all is well. 
 

Steel Balls was mentioned purely to state the TAB knew what was going on but still used him as a poster boy right until the end…. so he had a lucky streak early on… but his unlucky streak lasted awhile…. anyone around the Harness scene heard the issues… TAB turned a blind eye. 
 

Anyway, it seems your a bit angry with the other site, so all the best with that battle, seems its been going on for years, you do know if you are like me, and never look what they are posting… you never know

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

But am i angry about luring young people into gambling, YES 100%. As i have stated and most would agree with on here, well apart from Chief… is when we all got introduced to racing 40 or 50 years ago, it was mainly a social event, with a few bets and beers every few weeks.

Are you really that naive?  I don't believe you for a start.  You confined your betting to the pub bookie or the TAB agency every few weeks?

Hell I was bought up on reading the form, calcuttas and setting horses for the big punt.  Did you choose to ignore all the stories associated with racing and big punting?  

Hypocriscy again.  Are you really worried about young problem gamblers?  I don't think you are because I'm not even sure you understand the problem you are trying to address.

You only awoke from your slumber on the issue when ENTAIN was granted a NZ monopoly well only when it came into effect.

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Oh dear…. you are well and truly missing the point, you are doing it to everyone on this site, hope all is well. 

Don't become patronising @Huey leaves you for dead in that regard.

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Steel Balls was mentioned purely to state the TAB knew what was going on but still used him as a poster boy right until the end…. so he had a lucky streak early on… but his unlucky streak lasted awhile…. anyone around the Harness scene heard the issues… TAB turned a blind eye. 

It was 23 YEARS AGO!!!

As I said Bruton was happy to live in the limelight when it suited.  You don't know where he was betting.  FFS come up with some recent examples environment!  The fact is Bruton couldn't get the amounts he betted on now which ironically is something your were complaining about in previous posts.  What side are you on?

[Chief Stipe]

17 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Anyway, it seems your a bit angry with the other site, so all the best with that battle, seems its been going on for years, you do know if you are like me, and never look what they are posting… you never know

Again don't be patronising you aren't good at it.  All well and good not looking at the other site but I draw the line when I'm being defamed and accused of things I DID NOT DO.  

Nothing has changed over in that cesspit.  The behaviour of the owner and the people he atracts is the reason for the genesis of BOAY in the first place.  The outright lies need to be called out for what they are.

[hesi]

40 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Come on Hesi…. your starting to sound like a Chief Mini Me, you used to have your own opinions, whats happened? 
 

How many people with an addiction seek help, well i will tell you, very, very few. Its usually when people are at rock bottom that help is sought, far to late. 
 

We have supermarkets now that have reduced hours for selling beer…. Bars that are looked at for supplying pissed customers grog….Work places that enforce strict rules to keep workers safe…. Casino staff giving punters time outs…. Lotto enforcing spending limits….. 

Then you have Betcha / TAB with their Safer Gambling BS…. which puts the onus back on to the punter, a bit of wording and if ya think ya spending to much, heres a couple of options but we want as many mugs punting as we can…we need more of them so Entain get their profits….

I have noticed for a while, that Entain making a good profit seems to be a dirty word in some sectors of the racing industry.  The sectors that you see on social media anyway.

I think the idea of making a profit is so they can make increasing payouts to the racing industry after Year 5, so the industry can invest and ultimately become sustainable and grow.

An industry from my observation, that is intent on not helping itself

[Newmarket]

55 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Are you really that naive?  I don't believe you for a start.  You confined your betting to the pub bookie or the TAB agency every few weeks?

Hell I was bought up on reading the form, calcuttas and setting horses for the big punt.  Did you choose to ignore all the stories associated with racing and big punting?  

Hypocriscy again.  Are you really worried about young problem gamblers?  I don't think you are because I'm not even sure you understand the problem you are trying to address.

You only awoke from your slumber on the issue when ENTAIN was granted a NZ monopoly well only when it came into effect.

Yes, i am worried about young problem gamblers, has nothing to do with Entain monopoly. 
i have told you the reason i am speaking up on the other thread, its a hidden problem just as bad as Meth…

[mikeynz]

2 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Yes, i am worried about young problem gamblers, has nothing to do with Entain monopoly. 
i have told you the reason i am speaking up on the other thread, its a hidden problem just as bad as Meth…

I may suggest to Entain if I can front a add about responsible gambling, I've bet on horses and sport for a longtime up until a month ago when as it stands when I had my last punt, and believe it or not it's not that hard to stop if you try hard enough, I'm still,alive and living nicely, everyone can do it if they want too, not sure though if that's good for their business but winning punters ain't either lol.

Roll on the next lotto draw😷

[Newmarket]

9 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

I may suggest to Entain if I can front a add about responsible gambling, I've bet on horses and sport for a longtime up until a month ago when as it stands when I had my last punt, and believe it or not it's not that hard to stop if you try hard enough, I'm still,alive and living nicely, everyone can do it if they want too, not sure though if that's good for their business but winning punters ain't either lol.

Roll on the next lotto draw😷

Good one….

Any chance you could mention reason for giving up? Also, i assume your in the 50yrs plus age? 

[mikeynz]

5 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Good one….

Any chance you could mention reason for giving up? Also, i assume your in the 50yrs plus age? 

Definatly more than 50 by a fair margin, just at present I just find having a punt don't excite me, done it long enough I can take it or leave it, just like the ABs havnt seen fuck all of them this year, Xmas is another thing I've given up , getting older, same old same old, getting older you look at life differently, the yougins despite having technology and all the things we never had years ago in many ways know fuck all, but when your young you think you do, takes a long time to see otherwise lol.

[Newmarket]

4 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Definatly more than 50 by a fair margin, just at present I just find having a punt don't excite me, done it long enough I can take it or leave it, just like the ABs havnt seen fuck all of them this year, Xmas is another thing I've given up , getting older, same old same old, getting older you look at life differently, the yougins despite having technology and all the things we never had years ago in many ways know fuck all, but when your young you think you do, takes a long time to see otherwise lol.

Sort of the same, although still having odd bets but nowhere near previously. I too dont get the excitement i used to, i suppose now we have far more to spend our money on, watching a nag run around a track not as exciting now. 

[mikeynz]

1 minute ago, Newmarket said:

Sort of the same, although still having odd bets but nowhere near previously. I too dont get the excitement i used to, i suppose now we have far more to spend our money on, watching a nag run around a track not as exciting now. 

Power bills rates, insurance, house maintanence, petrol things like that spring to mind lol.

 

[mikeynz]

When you've been around a bit ya start to be able to see through lots of bullshit, I hate some of the decisions some are making in Racing, I only hope they don't forget the rural areas, just like rugby that's where the heart and soul is unlike the likes of Ellerslie and Trentham that look soulless places, lots of sport now you look at objectively, don't really bother me who wins most times, many times nought much changes.

More than likely The Crusaders will win Super Rugby, that's a poor comp now, the NPC is better, shield matches are still interesting, Cricket, the Black Caps will probably perform ok against modest opposition, next year we play aussie, that's more than likely a reality check, Football World Cup, despite having 48 teams, only a handful realistic chances, the more things change the more they stay the same, always been that way, even the Tennis isn't as good, was always good with the 3 or 4 top men's players, Alcatraz and Sinner just don't interest me, Serina Williams was always good, especially near the end when she couldn't get that extra slam win, I didn't like her but her matches were interesting.....I don't even have Sky these days, you tube has highlights, some on free TV, if I don't see it I don't lose sleep over it.

Not sure what this has got to do with thread topic, just a comment following on from post one or two above😎

[Murray Fish]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

ENTAIN was granted a NZ monopoly well only when it came into effect.

you support that?

 

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Any chance you could mention reason for giving up?  

tick,  re horse betting!   lol, more a 'un-coupling' for me! Personally, I now have a DEEP DEEP DEEP contempt for the way NZ Racing is now presented! 99% of any horse bet I have is Locked in by how the horse has presented! Now nearly imposable because of the Directress hand says NO... I've held out hoping things would improve! It was  so brought home on Champions Day, where the extra channel covering the day was great! Hence I perhaps bet more that day that perhaps the whole year!

Re Sports Betting,  100% MLB, rather proud to say that the Dodger$ Going All the Way for the last two years has paid off rather well! 
 

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

i assume your in the 50yrs plus age? 

70 for me! Part of my logic of un-coupling is around Stress of doing so, energy can be better directed elsewhere!  Very thankful not being a 'one trick pony', off to share my skills with others!
 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Murray Fish said:

you support that?

 

Do I support the monopoly?  Yes and No.  Philosophically I think competution is always better but I haven't worked out how you stop others free loading off our imdustry investment.  

Some argue that NZ Racing was at its best 50 years ago which ironically was when the TAB truly did have a monopoly.

[Newmarket]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Do I support the monopoly?  Yes and No.  Philosophically I think competution is always better but I haven't worked out how you stop others free loading off our imdustry investment.  

Some argue that NZ Racing was at its best 50 years ago which ironically was when the TAB truly did have a monopoly.

But doesnt NZ  Entain free load off world sport and Aus racing? 
 

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Some argue that NZ Racing was at its best 50 years ago which ironically was when the TAB truly did have a monopoly.

1975, CHCH, there was a thriving underworld of local Bookmaker$.  One being us kids 'local hero', he drove the Biggest Car! and gave out cash for thingimiss...  the one I bet with gave a 5% rebate on all bets! I think  one of the house rules pay out might have only been 15/5?      Later late 80's, CD,  Most  Pubs still had one working! I was running a nice little betting club, me and a couple of jocks! We had to stop betting with one! Cos he went out and laid off on Tote!  We stop using him! Did get a nice result via him!! we Feed him some 'horse info' via a 3 rd party,..  sent the word we were having a bet! he Bit! He talked it up! then Backed his 'info' horse into Fav! Ours came home,  under a wet sail!  via a ride that was given "ride of the day".. it all seem to easy!

ps, in 1975 the NZ Working Class had a Lot more disposable income than today!