curious Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Do you think this announcement might have slightly upset @Reefton? Meeting News Waverley 28 January Stakes to $25,000 The Waverley twilight meeting on Wednesday 28 January will run for stakes of $25,000 for all eight races. This brings it in line with all twilight Wednesdays from mid-January through to the end of March. So the ONLY Wednesday meeting this year that didn't get twilight funding was ??? And to make matters worse, Reefton on a weekday with industry funding did oncourse turnover of $132k. The following Sunday, ATR (feature meeting at Ellerslie qith 460k stakes) just managed 100k. 2 Quote
Special Agent Posted January 16 Posted January 16 The wording is beautiful, isn't it. From mid-January ... How is the disparity between stake money and on-course turnovers for the two clubs explained away? 1 Quote
Murray Fish Posted January 16 Posted January 16 28 minutes ago, curious said: And to make matters worse, Reefton on a weekday with industry funding did oncourse turnover of $132k. The following Sunday, ATR (feature meeting at Ellerslie qith 460k stakes) just managed 100k. any idea of the entrance money and the catering profits? Quote
Shad Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Well done reefton, good turnover for very small fields and a week day,any idea of off course turnover, may have been a 5$ entry, time to spread those stakes around a bit more, I'm sure some smaller clubs with better turnover be grateful. Quote
curious Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Shad said: any idea of off course turnover, 1270.6k Quote
curious Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 Kumara on course 430k Off 2.517k Ellerslie off course 2.488k Quote
curious Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 Sorry, the above are total turnover where it says offcourse. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, curious said: Kumara on course 430k Off 2.517k Ellerslie off course 2.488k I'm not sure what your point is. You aren't exactly comparing apples with apples. For a start: Kumara had 9 races. Ellerslie had 8 races. 1 Quote
curious Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm not sure what your point is. You aren't exactly comparing apples with apples. For a start: Kumara had 9 races. Ellerslie had 8 races. My point was about Reefton. Turnover per race was 311k Ellerslie (stakes 460k) 280k Kumara (stakes 240k) Edited January 16 by curious 1 Quote
mikeynz Posted January 16 Posted January 16 (edited) I think you actually find those good on course turnovers at many of the small holiday venues is pushed by tote betting by the non regular race goers, they don't care about fixed odds, probably don't care about horse racing that much either but just enjoying the summer outings that become traditional for many. Edited January 16 by mikeynz Quote
curious Posted January 16 Author Posted January 16 Yes probably right @mikeynz. More important for the benefit of the club itself too than the wider industry since they get the majority of the wagering profit from that. Quote
Huey Posted January 17 Posted January 17 4 hours ago, mikeynz said: I think you actually find those good on course turnovers at many of the small holiday venues is pushed by tote betting by the non regular race goers, they don't care about fixed odds, probably don't care about horse racing that much either but just enjoying the summer outings that become traditional for many. What do you mean , turnover is turnover in total figures in my understanding? Quote
mikeynz Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Just now, Huey said: What do you mean , turnover is turnover in total figures in my understanding? Holiday meetings have lots of holiday makers who may not have, TAB accounts, and obviously with a good crowd on course turnovers are good , not rocket science.....like most things be nice to get all these figures broken down, I'm sure Omakau on Jan 2 would be interesting. Quote
curious Posted January 17 Author Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Holiday meetings have lots of holiday makers who may not have, TAB accounts, and obviously with a good crowd on course turnovers are good , not rocket science.....like most things be nice to get all these figures broken down, I'm sure Omakau on Jan 2 would be interesting. You are probably right. Kumara and Reefton the oncourse was about 50/50 terminal:digital. Ellersle was about 25/75 1 Quote
Huey Posted January 17 Posted January 17 6 hours ago, mikeynz said: Holiday meetings have lots of holiday makers who may not have, TAB accounts, and obviously with a good crowd on course turnovers are good , not rocket science.....like most things be nice to get all these figures broken down, I'm sure Omakau on Jan 2 would be interesting. I understand, but I thought the assessment was on turnover figures not the type of turnover. Those scenarios have little to do with total turnover in my view. Quote
Special Agent Posted January 17 Posted January 17 I think a valid point is the fact that clubs only receive commission from oncourse turnover. Reefton's might go a tad further than Ellerslie's. 1 Quote
Shad Posted January 17 Posted January 17 18 hours ago, mikeynz said: I think you actually find those good on course turnovers at many of the small holiday venues is pushed by tote betting by the non regular race goers, they don't care about fixed odds, probably don't care about horse racing that much either but just enjoying the summer outings that become traditional for many. Interesting one, for me holiday makers, i wouldn't imagine spending up to much on betting, then I guess if theirs enough of them may make a difference. Quote
curious Posted January 17 Author Posted January 17 10 hours ago, Huey said: I understand, but I thought the assessment was on turnover figures not the type of turnover. Those scenarios have little to do with total turnover in my view. My headpost was initially comparing the relative ONCOURSE turnovers. 1 Quote
mikeynz Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) If you use the app to bet when you are on course, is that classed as on course betting figures ,I'd say no but I stand to be proven wrong, purchase is not taken on oncourse setup. Edited January 17 by mikeynz Quote
curious Posted January 17 Author Posted January 17 29 minutes ago, mikeynz said: If you use the app to bet when you are on course, is that classed as on course betting figures ,I'd say no but I stand to be proven wrong, purchase is not taken on oncourse setup. Yes. That's what I showed above as oncourse digital cf oncourse terminal. Clubs get a higher commission for digital on course turnover. Quote
mikeynz Posted January 17 Posted January 17 On 1/16/2026 at 9:02 PM, curious said: Do you think this announcement might have slightly upset @Reefton? Meeting News Waverley 28 January Stakes to $25,000 The Waverley twilight meeting on Wednesday 28 January will run for stakes of $25,000 for all eight races. This brings it in line with all twilight Wednesdays from mid-January through to the end of March. So the ONLY Wednesday meeting this year that didn't get twilight funding was ??? And to make matters worse, Reefton on a weekday with industry funding did oncourse turnover of $132k. The following Sunday, ATR (feature meeting at Ellerslie qith 460k stakes) just managed 100k. Based on your reply to my question, does bets placed on apps on course count as on course betting, then the 100k on Ellerslie continues to emphasize that for the size of Auckland no one goes racing or gives a shit about it. 2 Quote
Special Agent Posted January 18 Posted January 18 And yet there seems to be no worries about losing Boys Get Paid, pretty much guaranteed oncourse turnover. Those numbers and dollars spent would take some replacing. The type of clientele the Grand Tour attracts is a whole different ball game. Clubs in different areas have different attitudes towards the same assignment. Quote
Murray Fish Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Special Agent said: The type of clientele the Grand Tour attracts is a whole different ball game. If you happened to follow any advt/links to GT for one of their meetings, like we did for Waikouaiti meeting, looking for things like entrance costs and any booze rules etc, then you just got sent to the noms page at loveracing!!! No joy via Gallop Souths or the Clubs facebook pages, sigh.. par for the course... rave over! ps. got on course and no entrance charge, previously being $10 and $5 a book, book free as well! with thanks! Quote
Shad Posted January 18 Posted January 18 5 hours ago, Murray Fish said: If you happened to follow any advt/links to GT for one of their meetings, like we did for Waikouaiti meeting, looking for things like entrance costs and any booze rules etc, then you just got sent to the noms page at loveracing!!! No joy via Gallop Souths or the Clubs facebook pages, sigh.. par for the course... rave over! ps. got on course and no entrance charge, previously being $10 and $5 a book, book free as well! with thanks! Who holds the track records for the wingatui course these day, remember the good ole days, when clubs always published them in race books, know one seems to care these days. Quote
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