NZTR's Social Media ( jackbooted, totalitarian) crackdown...

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Huey said:

Nothing to worry about , it's not like anyone is going yo come out and criticize the most inept,incompetent, useless organization in all of sport.

Release the survey results !

Really?  I'd put NZ Netball and NZ Rugby well on that criteria.  Although I guess you could say NZR are doing better simply because they only have the tea lady left to run things.

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Not quite sure where Colin would have breached this new rule. He only shares his opinion, not that I always agree with it. Maybe gets some facts wrong. No law against that.

He abuses the crap out of people at a personal level.  He hides behind the fact he threw his license in.  

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Not at all. Nowhere close. 

I disagee he was very close but then it wasn't him writing half the stuff.

[Chief Stipe]

31 minutes ago, curious said:

So it's ok for you to make disparaging comments about those you disagree with but not for them to do so here or elsewhere?

Who is this comment directed at?

[Chief Stipe]

25 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

so far his cunning has negated being Hit with Libel..  also, a vulgar as it may seem, he has 'put a lot into the Industry', pays his bills! has his say!  

I wonder where,  the policing will be around, those real Nasty ^punters*, that hide behind a alas,  and ATTACK especially  jockeys, especially woman jockey!!! often on facebook and instagram..  usually turn out to be rather bitter males

Which describes @Thomass to a Tee.

[curious]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Who is this comment directed at?

It's not a comment it's a question that was part of my response to Hesi but it's an open forum. Anyone can answer.

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

I disagee he was very close but then it wasn't him writing half the stuff.

If you'd read the minutes of the pre-hearing meetings and the input from the JCA on the human rights position and Morton's rights, you wouldn't say that. The hearing was a facade for Purcell and the RIU's egos. and a bloody expensive one at that which is probably why they haven't gone there again and won't. They can't enforce a rule that the law precedes. So, they just try to scare people with their facile missives and rule changes and not listen to or hear stakeholders.

Edited 19 hours ago by curious

[curious]

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Nothing to worry about , it's not like anyone is going yo come out and criticize the most inept,incompetent, useless organization in all of sport.

Release the survey results !

It's all part of the new transparency and consultation strategies.

Strategic Plan 2024–2028 : “an unwavering commitment to honesty, transparency, and moral principles.”

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Really?  I'd put NZ Netball and NZ Rugby well on that criteria.  Although I guess you could say NZR are doing better simply because they only have the tea lady left to run things.

NZR may have some structural issues to resolve but they have one of the strongest balance sheets in world rugby and had a positive cashflow in FY24, the latest year reported. I don't think they'd even come close to NZTR as the poorest performing organisation in NZ sports.

[curious]

22 minutes ago, curious said:

It's all part of the new transparency and consultation strategies.

 

Strategic Plan 2024–2028 : “an unwavering commitment to honesty, transparency, and moral principles.”

Last October Ballesty said in The Rundown "We recently distributed an NZTR Stakeholder Survey and received more than 1,300 responses. We appreciate the valuable input from across the industry and look forward to sharing the results in due course. "

To me, 3 or 4 months seems a long "due course"

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, curious said:

It's all part of the new transparency and consultation strategies.

 

Strategic Plan 2024–2028 : “an unwavering commitment to honesty, transparency, and moral principles.”

I believe the Racing/gambling Industry is in a big Battle  with the Real-estate Industry for that sort of thing!

God speed my saying good bye to it all!!! they are welcome to themselves!!!

Edited 17 hours ago by Murray Fish

[muzenza365]

Chief, I was not close to being found guilty. The reason I will give will also convince you, i believe.

The RIU, JCA, and I had, from memory, at least 3 phone conference calls regarding the charge.The chairman was very clear in the conversations that there was no charge to answer and no chance of succeeding, and that the charges should be dismissed.

But egos were being bruised, and Purcell and his team said the charge was to proceed.We all know the result and whilst i had paid 5k to my lawyer as quoted, that didn't end his costs, as after being awarded 15k, he said there was more work than he had estimated, so he also took the 15k. 

It was worth the money, as while watching Purcell trying to remember the names of the 90 horses he had raced, and breaking into a sweat after getting to around 20, verified his incompetence, which many people believed.

I was also going to add where Ross Neal is now after the charade/scandal he was involved with, and how did the other Stipe hold on to his job, after covering up for him?

[Chief Stipe]

11 hours ago, curious said:

Last October Ballesty said in The Rundown "We recently distributed an NZTR Stakeholder Survey and received more than 1,300 responses. We appreciate the valuable input from across the industry and look forward to sharing the results in due course. "

To me, 3 or 4 months seems a long "due course"

These types of surveys are a waste of time and money.  Most of time their questions are poorly worded and the results are skewed by responder bias.  Pointless exercise.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what's wrong.  NZTR have now opened themselves up to small groups of stakeholders politicising the results and playing games.

It is already with the likes of @curious and Wightman.  

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, muzenza365 said:

Chief, I was not close to being found guilty. The reason I will give will also convince you, i believe.

The RIU, JCA, and I had, from memory, at least 3 phone conference calls regarding the charge.The chairman was very clear in the conversations that there was no charge to answer and no chance of succeeding, and that the charges should be dismissed.

But egos were being bruised, and Purcell and his team said the charge was to proceed.We all know the result and whilst i had paid 5k to my lawyer as quoted, that didn't end his costs, as after being awarded 15k, he said there was more work than he had estimated, so he also took the 15k. 

It was worth the money, as while watching Purcell trying to remember the names of the 90 horses he had raced, and breaking into a sweat after getting to around 20, verified his incompetence, which many people believed.

I was also going to add where Ross Neal is now after the charade/scandal he was involved with, and how did the other Stipe hold on to his job, after covering up for him?

Morty I didn't say you were close to being guilty.  What I said was you were close to crossing the line.  As you know there was another protagonist behind the scenes hence the scurrying to delete stuff.

What I've seen recently posted by a group of individuals has crossed the line you didn't cross.  However they seem more empowered by your judicial outcome and an extreme interpretation of what consitutes Free Speech.  

If I recall correctly your crusade started with calling out the Stipes and NZTR about the safety of the bend at Awapuni.  In then migrated to questioning the personal ntegrity of those called out.  In my opinion the 90 horses was an irrelevant sideshow.  But it did distract Purcell.

In all that you didn't defame or seriously abuse anyone which is what I've seen a lot of recently.

[Thomass]

13 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Which describes @Thomass to a Tee.

Absolute garbage

Never personally attacked any license holder...ONLY criticism for cheats, layabouts, drug users, assault and battery purveyors

Oh and MEGALOMANIACS  

[Chief Stipe]

11 hours ago, curious said:

NZR may have some structural issues to resolve but they have one of the strongest balance sheets in world rugby and had a positive cashflow in FY24, the latest year reported. I don't think they'd even come close to NZTR as the poorest performing organisation in NZ sports.

Really?  Dig deeper my friend.  Their sponsorship deals have been a real mess of late and their corporate decision making has been appalling.

2024 delivered the third annual loss in a row of $19m.  Yes they have a strong balance sheet but it is bleeding.  Even the All Black brand is losing appeal.  We think the coach replacement was about on field performance but was it? 

Not to mention the direct corollary with NZ Racing where the only Provincial Union making a profit is Auckland by virtue of it being the preferred Test venue.  25 of 26 Unions are essentially insolvent.  

[hesi]

53 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

These types of surveys are a waste of time and money.  Most of time their questions are poorly worded and the results are skewed by responder bias.  Pointless exercise.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what's wrong.  NZTR have now opened themselves up to small groups of stakeholders politicising the results and playing games.

It is already with the likes of @curious and Wightman.  

I think this statement is pretty close to the mark.  If you read social media you could very quickly come to the conclusion that the industry is close to self-destructing.  What % does social media represent, don't know but you would have to say very small.  A large percentage you would hope are getting on with racing horses for money that has never been higher in NZ, sustainable or not.

Social media also tends to attract a bitter type with an axe to grind, who can let off steam anonymously.  Probably makes them feel better.

Wightman defends his continued personal attacks on the FB group by saying, he has huge support because the numbers there have grown from 4.000 to 7,000.

I guess the counter to this, and a phenomenon that Pete Lane alerted me to, is that misery loves company.  Seems to be the way across all social media, people flock to someone having a go

If you look closely at that site, it is a small number of people, many of whom have radical views anyway, making a lot of noise.

NZTR will never engage social media, anyone who thinks that is deluded

 

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Morty I didn't say you were close to being guilty.  What I said was you were close to crossing the line.  As you know there was another protagonist behind the scenes hence the scurrying to delete stuff.

What I've seen recently posted by a group of individuals has crossed the line you didn't cross.  However they seem more empowered by your judicial outcome and an extreme interpretation of what consitutes Free Speech.  

If I recall correctly your crusade started with calling out the Stipes and NZTR about the safety of the bend at Awapuni.  In then migrated to questioning the personal ntegrity of those called out.  In my opinion the 90 horses was an irrelevant sideshow.  But it did distract Purcell.

In all that you didn't defame or seriously abuse anyone which is what I've seen a lot of recently.

If he HAD crossed the line, he would have been close to being found guilty wouldn't he. Same thing.

[Thomass]

20 hours ago, All The Aces said:

I am assuming this relates to licence holders only Thomas. 

Well one would think so in certain areas...but the angle I'm coming from is ENTAIN has to protect brand reputation and any criticism of an industry per se directly affects their bottom line 

I've publicly criticised the industry INTEGRITY arm on many occasions and if ENTAIN finds out wtf it is then this 'persona' is in for the chopping block imho

call me a deranged, hypochondriacal paranoid despot if you want...no skin off this nose 

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

If he HAD crossed the line, he would have been close to being found guilty wouldn't he. Same thing.

If he HAD crossed the line he would probably have been found GUILTY.  

[Chief Stipe]

45 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Well one would think so in certain areas...but the angle I'm coming from is ENTAIN has to protect brand reputation and any criticism of an industry per se directly affects their bottom line 

I've publicly criticised the industry INTEGRITY arm on many occasions and if ENTAIN finds out wtf it is then this 'persona' is in for the chopping block imho

call me a deranged, hypochondriacal paranoid despot if you want...no skin off this nose 

 

What if most of your criticism is considered unfounded and crosses the line wouldn't you like to have a formal stage to prove your assertions?  Or do you prefer to hide behind a pseudonyum on social media and bang away?

[Thomass]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What if most of your criticism is considered unfounded and crosses the line wouldn't you like to have a formal stage to prove your assertions?  Or do you prefer to hide behind a pseudonyum on social media and bang away?

Again, you put your finger in the air, make outlandish claims over moi then it becomes the 'hate thomass narritive'

Examples of when, where I've 'crossed the line most of the time"

Put it on a penny black

[Huey]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

These types of surveys are a waste of time and money.  Most of time their questions are poorly worded and the results are skewed by responder bias.  Pointless exercise.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what's wrong.  NZTR have now opened themselves up to small groups of stakeholders politicising the results and playing games.

It is already with the likes of @curious and Wightman.  

How ? They undertook to do the survey, so release the results. 

Id like to congratulate you this is looking like the dumbest post of the year already & it's only early February!

[Huey]

2 hours ago, hesi said:

I think this statement is pretty close to the mark.  If you read social media you could very quickly come to the conclusion that the industry is close to self-destructing.  What % does social media represent, don't know but you would have to say very small.  A large percentage you would hope are getting on with racing horses for money that has never been higher in NZ, sustainable or not.

Social media also tends to attract a bitter type with an axe to grind, who can let off steam anonymously.  Probably makes them feel 

NZTR will never engage social media, anyone who thinks that is deluded

 

No I agree, but they undertook a survey & clearly didn't like the results  so we haven't seen anything yet. 

So why do it ? It shows how delusional they are to expect a positive result to their survey that should tell you all you need to know about them.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, hesi said:

 

Social media also tends to attract a bitter type with an axe to grind, who can let off steam anonymously.  Probably makes them feel better.

 

so this is  social media site.

The current  topic reflects what you typically see on this forum and its got a lot of comment from regular contributors. 

and there you are generalising how you would sum up people who post on here,or say the other channel.

so your either going to say,yes they are as  described or no you weren't meaning the current ones posting.Of course if you weren't meaning the current ones posting then you undermine your own comments on what you describe as  the typical poster.

Also tell me,if many are anonymous like you say,how do you know so much about their personalities,motives and how they feel after posting and how they see the world.

is the reality not,there will be people as you have described but your generlisation is just that. In other words your taling a smaller % of posters and placing greater emphasis that they are representative of all posters and people who comment on social media.Doesn't that reflect on how you see the world as well.

so you post a put down generalisation of social media posters ,while knocking people who post put down generalisations on social media..Whats the point in that 

Edited 3 hours ago by the galah