Happy Sunrise Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Seems like people enjoyed punting on the day. Good for harness. Near record turnover for Jewels 6 June 2019 by Michael Guerin The first Jewels held at Addington has overcome the worst weather in the meeting’s history to boast near record turnover. And the numbers have left bedraggled harness racing administrators beaming. Saturday’s nine group-one meeting looked in danger of being postponed just hours before the first race as Canterbury was lashed by extreme weather and a giant puddle formed inside the track threatening to encroach on the racing surface at the 1000m mark. But with the drains working overtime and the recently re-surfaced track overseen by John Denton, the meeting not only went ahead but provided fair racing. And while the weather impacted the walk-up crowd, the betting figures have been surprisingly positive considering the conditions and the large number of odds-on favourites, which can often be off-putting for punters from the two other codes. The combined on and off-course domestic turnover was $2,547,222, of which $974,816 was fixed odds. That is already the third highest amount ever invested domestically on a Harness Jewels meeting and with the Australian turnover expected to come in around $750,000 the meeting should have Australasia-wide turnover close to $3.5million, without counting money bet with corporate bookmakers. That will mean the meeting has the second highest Australasian turnover in the Jewels’s 13-year history with the only higher one coming when the Queensland Oaks meeting at Eagle Farm and several other Australian fixtures were abandoned in 2016, creating record figures for the Cambridge-run Jewels that season. “We couldn’t be happier,” says HRNZ’s Darrin Williams. “Sure the weather was brutal but the betting figures make up for that. “I really feel for Addington because they put their heart and soul into the day and did a super job and the weather was against them. “But they already had a good crowd and the only under-utilised area they had was the marquee on top of the stables which would have been great but for the weather, which nobody could control. “So the results are very pleasing, especially the way the track responded. That is a real credit to John Denton and his staff.” Had Saturday’s meeting being held at Ashburton, who did a great job with their first six running of the Jewels, the weather would have had a far more dire impact. Next year’s Jewels return to Cambridge in the annual inter-island rotation with the Waikato track to host a two-day meeting, racing the Friday night before the Jewels on the Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Turnover was good because it was held at Addington Raceway over a far better distance than the damn mile. It was also a crappy day weather wise throughout the country, so people were not out and about, therefore watered watching tV. What was the Oncourse turnover like???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 18 hours ago, Brodie said: Turnover was good because it was held at Addington Raceway over a far better distance than the damn mile. It was also a crappy day weather wise throughout the country, so people were not out and about, therefore watered watching tV. What was the Oncourse turnover like???? On course turnover is largely irrelevant, I was there and bet all day on my phone like most others, would you seriously trust half the tote staff with one of your bets, I don't think so 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 20 minutes ago, Westview said: would you seriously trust half the tote staff with one of your bets, I don't think so Unless the Brodster was tote staff behind the machine putting my $10, 5% first four betslip through ....with a lightning flick of a pen he would mark in the the horses I missed...when I won, I would be thinking I had somehow marked the wrong horses (again) but this time I won...miracle Like a punting angel that Brodie...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Unless the Brodster was tote staff behind the machine putting my $10, 5% first four betslip through ....with a lightning flick of a pen he would mark in the the horses I missed...when I won, I would be thinking I had somehow marked the wrong horses (again) but this time I won...miracle Like a punting angel that Brodie...? Brodster the Messiah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Westview said: On course turnover is largely irrelevant, I was there and bet all day on my phone like most others, would you seriously trust half the tote staff with one of your bets, I don't think so I believe oncourse turnover is important, the point being is that The Jewels is meant to Be a showpiece for harness racing in NZ. There is always a massive buildup for months about The Jewels! To Get new people involved and investing on Harness Racing, we need the new people on course to experience the racing. Doubt whether there would be too many new people going down to the TAB just to invest on the Jewels. The weather certainly didn’t help the cause unfortunately. I appreciate that many do bet on their phones at the races on their accounts, but these are existing enthusiasts and not the new ones that the industry needs. Jewels Day with all of its costs, would lose a significant amount of money, so would be interesting to know how many extra people are being attracted? Edited June 8, 2019 by Brodie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Jewels Day with all of its costs, would lose a significant amount of money, so would be interesting to know how many extra people are being attracted? Interesting and very valid point made Brodie. The marketing/promotion for the Jewels didn't cut it this year, despite this aspect undoubtedly being a significant expense. It missed the mark and didn't get the message home to non-racing people. The marketing geniuses with degrees etc had the right intention and implemented a wide coverage of billboards etc but the point was missed on the potential customers. As a comparison, rewind back to 2003 and the Inter-dominions held at Addington. The marketing and promotion for that was brilliant. Non-racing people knew what it was about, it generated interest within the mainstream public and dragged a few new faces to the track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Brodie said: I believe oncourse turnover is important, the point being is that The Jewels is meant to Be a showpiece for harness racing in NZ. There is always a massive buildup for months about The Jewels! To Get new people involved and investing on Harness Racing, we need the new people on course to experience the racing. Doubt whether there would be too many new people going down to the TAB just to invest on the Jewels. The weather certainly didn’t help the cause unfortunately. I appreciate that many do bet on their phones at the races on their accounts, but these are existing enthusiasts and not the new ones that the industry needs. Jewels Day with all of its costs, would lose a significant amount of money, so would be interesting to know how many extra people are being attracted? Good post Brodie. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I think you are doing a Brodie on us again , as I said oncourse betting is largely irrelevant, oncourse attendance is a different matter and is very important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Don’t the clubs get a bigger % for money wagered oncourse than what they do offcourse? I would’ve thought that the clubs would prefer wagering with them rather than phones or agencies? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Brodie said: Don’t the clubs get a bigger % for money wagered oncourse than what they do offcourse? I would’ve thought that the clubs would prefer wagering with them rather than phones or agencies? back in jack hammers day yes however i think that changed quite a while back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, Rangatira said: back in jack hammers day yes however i think that changed quite a while back Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, Rangatira said: back in jack hammers day yes however i think that changed quite a while back rangatira still tries to collect around the back of the tote 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 20 hours ago, Brodie said: Don’t the clubs get a bigger % for money wagered oncourse than what they do offcourse? I would’ve thought that the clubs would prefer wagering with them rather than phones or agencies? Correct - more money directly to the club from on course turnover . Very important . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Rangatira said: back in jack hammers day yes however i think that changed quite a while back Still higher % for on course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Still higher % for on course I thought it was, wouldn’t bet on it though! Need new people oncourse as well for revenue to the clubs from food and beverage! If everyone is not going to bet oncourse and on their phones, then no point having window sellers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Still higher % for on course Long owner you are right long ago there was a difference but currently you are mistaken the current hrnz payment is based on the total turnover. Brodie how could you doubt Westview. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 58 minutes ago, Brodie said: I thought it was, wouldn’t bet on it though! Need new people oncourse as well for revenue to the clubs from food and beverage! If everyone is not going to bet oncourse and on their phones, then no point having window sellers etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Westview said: Long owner you are right long ago there was a difference but currently you are mistaken the current hrnz payment is based on the total turnover. Brodie how could you doubt Westview. Never doubted you for one minute Westview! If you say that there is no differential now, then I believe you! What I do know is that harness clubs do need oncourse attendance as you well know. Great that you like to use your account to bet on by phone. The TAB Bookmakers are hardly encouraging punters to bet with them nowadays!!!! What they are now doing is referring bets and coming back with even more pathetic amounts being able to be won, which makes it pointless to even accept what they have offered!!!! You don’t accept what they have offered you, but slash the odds anyway!!!! How on earth is this what should be happening with racing in NZ???? Racing in NZ is stuffed, with this crap going on! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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