Happy Sunrise Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Fair play to Mick G, he did briefly mention the dominance of All Stars, echoes what we say on here. No disrespect to the feats of the Mark and Natalie but harness would be better if there was more competition at the top band. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: Fair play to Mick G, he did briefly mention the dominance of All Stars, echoes what we say on here. No disrespect to the feats of the Mark and Natalie but harness would be better if there was more competition at the top band. Was the Box Seat on tonight? No one has knocked the performances of the AllStars stables performances of their horses whatsoever as far as I am aware. There has been questions asked as to how on earth is one stable so dominant year after year, and how can their horses do things that no other stable in NZ can do???? Anyone with some intellect should be able to realise that this continued dominance of all the big stakes races and all the money going to the same owners will kill the harness sport! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Brodie said: Was the Box Seat on tonight? No one has knocked the performances of the AllStars stables performances of their horses whatsoever as far as I am aware. There has been questions asked as to how on earth is one stable so dominant year after year, and how can their horses do things that no other stable in NZ can do???? Anyone with some intellect should be able to realise that this continued dominance of all the big stakes races and all the money going to the same owners will kill the harness sport! The Auckland cup today, a great race that's had some big quality fields in its time is reduced to an all stars workout. I am not even the slightest bit interested in betting on or watching it ...the life at the top end of pacing in nz has been sucked out of it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The fields at Winton and then Omakau are much more interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Ludwig said: The fields at Winton and then Omakau are much more interesting. A case of each to their own Ludwig. Bound to be another great meeting at Omakau , always has been. AS's owners. on the other hand will be far more interested in the big money racing up Auckland way as will a lot of breeders whose patronage they seek from MP and AS owners each and every yearling sales. Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: A case of each to their own Ludwig. Bound to be another great meeting at Omakau , always has been. AS's owners. on the other hand will be far more interested in the big money racing up Auckland way as will a lot of breeders whose patronage they seek from MP and AS owners each and every yearling sales. Greg Exactly Greg, the AllStars owners are only interested in themselves, and they will continue to until harness racing is killed off in NZ! Clubs will eventually not be prepared to program and run races that have only AllStars horses lining up for big stakes as it is not economical!! Edited December 30, 2019 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brodie said: 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Exactly Greg, the AllStars owners are only interested in themselves, and they will continue to until harness racing is killed off in NZ! Clubs will eventually not be prepared to program and run races that have only AllStars horses lining up for big stakes as it is not economical!! The vast majority of owners will be only interested in themselves Brodie and rightly so as racing and punting is all about winning. I would have though you would be a National voter with no interest in socialist outcomes but you have proven me wrong with your ideas about AS Owners taking all the spoils which they clearly dont at every meeting As for the clubs part, if that was going to happen it would have occurred years ago cos that's how long they have dominated for. Greg Edited December 30, 2019 by JJ Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: The vast majority of owners will be only interested in themselves Brodie and rightly so as racing and punting is all about winning. I would have though you would be a National voter with no interest in socialist outcomes but you have proven me wrong with your ideas about AS Owners taking all the spoils which they clearly dont at every meeting As for the clubs part, if that was going to happen it would have occurred years ago cos that's how long they have dominated for. Greg Firstly Greg, I believe that most owners in NZ would be wanting the big race stakes being paid out to far more owners than the select ones that are currently receiving them that are with the AllStars stable!!!!!!! Secondly, of course I am a National voter as this coalition government is absolutely damaging to the country. Finally, the clubs can not afford to be running races in NZ that have only have half a dozen or so starters! There is a major shortage of horses getting thru the grades as they are being sold by their owners as Racing has become so unaffordable with costs rising and stakes having gone backwards in many cases. You can put any spin you damn well want to Greg, but the Auckland Cup used to be a prestigious race many years ago, but nowadays it is but a yawnfest!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: AS Owners taking all the spoils which they clearly dont at every meeting Just the spoils at every big stake meeting which leaves the crumbs for the rest to scavenge for. The odds the All Stars will quinella the race are tiny which leaves the others fighting for $20 000 for 3rd and $12 500 for 4th. Again the odds are the All Stars will fill third place tonight which means most are running for 4th and that stake is only fractionally more than the winner of the R50+ pacing race will win. No wonder there are no horses willing to go to Auckland. It makes no economic sense at all. Viva La Omakau. But you are right in what you say, it is true, just true in the tiny world of wonder you live in with nary a care for anyone other than the high flyers of the industry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Brodie said: I believe that most owners in NZ would be wanting the big race stakes being paid out to far more owners than the select ones that are currently receiving them that are with the AllStars stable!!!!!!! Alas they only pay any stakes out to the owners of winners and place getters. Thats never going to change despite your socialist ideals 35 minutes ago, Brodie said: Finally, the clubs can not afford to be running races in NZ that have only have half a dozen or so starters! Thats entirely the clubs choice and its immediately contradicted by your next statement i.e "There is a major shortage of horses getting thru the grades" So it follows logically that you cant have it both ways. Smaller fields or no races which is it to be Brodie? Greg Edited December 31, 2019 by JJ Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: But you are right in what you say, it is true, just true in the tiny world of wonder you live in with nary a care for anyone other than the high flyers of the industry. Your up to your old condescending tricks HS - the only thing that's true is that i live in the real world along with all the other participating horse owners,trainers etc. Perhaps you and your type need to take on board the Ozzie approach, they never pull out when Purdon or anyone else from NZ comes to play in their patch and in fact embrace competition. Enjoy Omakau cos its going to be a great meeting with nice stakes and as a NY bonus no AS starters, you and Brodie are catered for there and then so please get involved as they are a great bunch down that way. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, JJ Flash said: Your up to your old condescending tricks HS It is not condescension, it is simple disdain for your singular views. This is why we disagreed on RC and several of us left/got booted to come to BOAY. You can have your All Stars filled Group 1 Auckland Cup field of 11 and enjoy it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: the only thing that's true is that i live in the real world along with all the other ...aliases I have. (finished the sentence for you properly) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 hours ago, JJ Flash said: A case of each to their own Ludwig. Bound to be another great meeting at Omakau , always has been. AS's owners. on the other hand will be far more interested in the big money racing up Auckland way as will a lot of breeders whose patronage they seek from MP and AS owners each and every yearling sales. Greg so your saying other owners that buy horses at yearling sales are mugs????? what load of crap as other trainers have big spending owners like the Kerrs, Dunns Barry p ,ray green ect 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said: so your saying other owners that buy horses at yearling sales are mugs????? what load of crap as other trainers have big spending owners like the Kerrs, Dunns Barry p ,ray green ect I think the way he means is that any breeder that yearling gets sold to a big buyer/stable dont care that they are there. Provided they go well obviously, in turn making their own breed that little bit more valuable Edited December 31, 2019 by Roman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Alas they only pay any stakes out to the owners of winners and place getters. Thats never going to change despite your socialist ideals Thats entirely the clubs choice and its immediately contradicted by your next statement i.e "There is a major shortage of horses getting thru the grades" So it follows logically that you cant have it both ways. Smaller fields or no races which is it to be Brodie? Greg Greg, clubs have run races with a handful of starters for good stake money! This will not continue as it is not economically viable!!!!!!!!!! That is it!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, Brodie said: Greg Forget the Greg part. You are not talking to a Greg. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Forget the Greg part. You are not talking to a Greg. Paul 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Greg, clubs have run races with a handful of starters for good stake money! This will not continue as it is not economically viable!!!!!!!!!! That is it!!!!!! call him ftm or paul brodster, don't stoke his fire? he's like one of those evil spirits in a horror film that lives off those that believe his bullshit is real!@ Edited December 31, 2019 by Flagship uberalles 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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