Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 FFS Thomaas you are getting worse. Shame you aren't a thoroughbred we could introduce thicker skins to horses so they can take the whippings you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, barryb said: The trouble is Tomarse and ATA think that because the market assessed both very short priced favs and because they won then the market is right, if that was the case then backing all favs would be a winning proposition long term which it is certainly not. The 2 do add some serious entertainment factor to your site however, its always good to read that there are still those whom think what they post is correct, good for the longer term viability of the industry. MarkyMark's posts were as accurate as you can get on the poster assessment. And there is your stupidity Bazza. making assumptions instead of sticking to facts. Neither Thomas or myself have advocated backing all favourites long term. Both Catalyst and Probabeel looked standouts in those two fields which you clearly failed to recognize. Pretty simple really and those are the facts. We are not talking about if, buts and maybes. Suck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Both Catalyst and Probabeel looked standouts in those two fields which you clearly failed to recognize. Pretty simple really and those are the facts. We are not talking about if, buts and maybes. Suck it up. They always do after the race, shame you didnt label them beforehand. Tomarse was laying Catalyst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, barryb said: Thats a real big call Chief, since every post he has made is the biggest bunch of crap, his brother ATA is right behind him in the punting the next day nonsense. Still larfing bazzo... This would take the cake as one of your best yet..and you've come up with some doozies.... "The analysis that Curious and I did which pitted the price much higher than the TAB & many others clearly left out many of the other strong form indicators that had him at a very short price." What, like CATALYST being the fastest neddy in the race...basic shit like that? Leave the old fella alone bazz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Thomass said: Still larfing bazzo... This would take the cake as one of your best yet..and you've come up with some doozies.... "The analysis that Curious and I did which pitted the price much higher than the TAB & many others clearly left out many of the other strong form indicators that had him at a very short price." What, like CATALYST being the fastest neddy in the race...basic shit like that? Leave the old fella alone bazz... Laying Catalyst T? obviously being the fastest horse didn't put you off laying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, barryb said: They always do after the race, shame you didnt label them beforehand. Tomarse was laying Catalyst. Idiot. Who posted $1.70 on Neds!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, barryb said: Laying Catalyst T? obviously being the fastest horse didn't put you off laying it. Don't lay, never laid...EVER...bazzy ...and Ive had more offers than an inked up Bogan munter gets on a Friday night down da Tron's main alleyway... I merely alerted said possibilities that could have befallen a first time run at HQ sans Hood.... ...and he was as slow as your 'investments' when they're under scrutiny and tallied up...coming out the gates... ..which should self correct itself again...with the Hood back on...ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, Thomass said: and he was as slow as your 'investments' when they're under scrutiny and tallied up...coming out the gates... ..which should self correct itself again...with the Hood back on...ok? Then explain his previous three starts where he was slow to get going when he had the hood ON?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Don't lay, never laid...EVER...bazzy ...and Ive had more offers than an inked up Bogan munter gets on a Friday night down da Tron's main alleyway... Talking dolls are a thing now?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Then explain his previous three starts where he was slow to get going when he had the hood ON?! This horse has got some really knowledgable people talking here in Sydders...sectionals are the holy grail when racing experts are assessing how good horses are, Catalyst has run some staggering times and makes it look easy. There have been a few 'pretenders' cross the ditch over the last few years, he aint one of them. Can't wait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 I agree Kopia. He has an amazing turn of foot. Also a high cruising speed once he gets there. Then as he showed at Ellerslie he has gears above that. He can sprint twice e.g. HB Guineas. Can get out of trouble and still have momentum and still hit over drive e.g. Ruakaka and Riccarton. His sectionals on our tracks suggests he can foot it with best in OZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 10 hours ago, Thomass said: "the real question about this horse is why he hasnt been enforced by stipes to start from the unruly, i wuld say my gripe would be that he hasnt, and if he breaks, he could be distracting other runners by breaking or potentially causing interference. i hope for the owners they reward his patience. the reality is with the right race and manners, he is capable. he showed this at blenhem running close second. " Your qoute...you have a thieves wheels name and you're very au fait with the 'form'... ...yet "I have never been involved with Harness" Yea na Racing websites are all about OPINION and posters shouldn't have to preface EVERY post with 'in my opinion' Alors...Im coming from a very solid knowledge base after years in the Industry...proven beyond doubt from any person who claims to be able to read... Clearly you can't... FYI after the race both Trainer and Owner said... "he better not get that far back in Australia or he won't be able to compete...the Blinkers go back on" My suggestion is go back to your Harness hole best over there then let us please stick to facts, and better yet, use normal english. Alors...Im coming from a very solid knowledge base after years in the Industry...proven beyond doubt from any person who claims to be able to read... ive read plenty of your commentary, however most of your rhetoric on here suggest your involvement has been more punting related. i dont know why you suggest im involved in Harness, i have no involvement in the code, apart from the very occasional bet, very occasional, so i dont know why you suggest otherwise. i know myself better than you, as does Clayton, and what he does with Catalyst, will know better than you, lets not dispute this please.comments like this i do not understand " Alors...you're a thieves on wheels purveyor...your namesake and obvious hero is a TRUE BLUE dinky Di magic drug cheat who lives with a drug dealer... Id go back to the Harness section if I was you...where some other Harness Type called you a "tosser" if im missing something, enlighten me with facts please, because im incredibly lost and have absolutely no idea at all in what you are trying to say or referring to. i didnt see the interview, was that said by owner or clayton, or both? because whats interesting about that comment, is even with blinkers on, he was not flash at beginning anyway. He raced with blinkers on at Ruakaka got back and rattled home, and at hawkes bay raced near speed, i love his versatility, but with blinkers on anyway was not flash at beginning in most of his previous starts, watch his replays if you try and suggest otherwise. Sectional wise, and without use of blinkers, and first up so not 100% tuned, he arguably went his best race yet at ellerslie? would you dispute this? my argument for saying his best race, is by sectionals, and comparative time versus that of open handicap field. those sectionals were amazing. and he had more up his sleeve. so for mine, and in my opinion he doesnt need blinkers, but being sharper out of gaits would most certainly help him, he cant afford to be slow or tardy out of gates against some of aussies best. so given in most of his career starts to date, and that he has in alot of his races, not been a great starter even with the use of blinkers, and that he has raced in different positions during the run previously i.e. ruakaka and hawkes bay, i do not believe you could say blinkers would have improved him, for his win at ellerslie. to me, sectionally, versus that of other runs, he was actually comparatively alot quicker. if you disagree, id be intrigued to your argument, in english and ideally with substance. you suggest Clayton was moving away from a tried and true formula, but i disagree, because with the blinkers on in his previous starts, whilst he hasnt been a good jumper anyway, has raced in various positions in the running, and hasnt always been handy. see your quote below, " You see Blinkered horses GENERALLY Jump handy...it concentrates the mind...and it's what will be required to match the likes of AB's tactical Speed where it'll race handy... ..out of trouble and where most races are won.. Changing a tried and true formula just because he thinks C doesn't need them anymore is balmy army stuff....." and lastly, you suggest Clayton has made an error, and shown somehow a lack of experience, how is it so that as a successfull jumps jockey, with plenty of experience in pre training, working and being a trainer in his own right for quite a few years now, how is it so that Clayton in your own words is "very inexperienced". I think this shows a complete lack of respect for him, and whilst i do not know Clayton very well at all despite runing into him a few times at races before, for you to say this i believe is rather poor. He has won how many on the bounce, and one of nzs most exciting horses, i think Clayton has done extremely well, and i struggle to see were inexperience from clayton has been detrimental in anyway shape or form. if anything, i really like how the horse is not a one trick pony, and can be versatile in his running position, i think this will help the horse very much in tougher assignments in the future. thomas please stick to facts, and engage in reasonable discussion as i will try to. i apologize to you for my disrespectful comments to you in my first message and take that back, with name calling, that was poor form on my behalf. cheers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooncoin Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 hours ago, All The Aces said: Idiot. Who posted $1.70 on Neds!! Posting that it's paying $1:70 on Neds doesn't tell me that you have lumped on Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Mooncoin said: Posting that it's paying $1:70 on Neds doesn't tell me that you have lumped on Ace I advised best price that I could find Mooncoin after checking with all the various agencies. I will leave it with you to work out as to why I tried to find best price. FYI I had three cracks one at $1.70 & 2 more at $1.60. Just wish Curious and Bazza were offering odds. $4.50 & $4.30 would have been beautiful. No bets for me today though. Keeping powder dry for next week if it lines up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, All The Aces said: FYI I had three cracks one at $1.70 & 2 more at $1.60 $1:70 was a good price comparative to the NZ TAB at $1:10. 1 hour ago, All The Aces said: Just wish Curious and Bazza were offering odds. $4.50 & $4.30 Surely you understand that is their assessment of what they would consider a "value" price. It isnt meant to be an indicator of what the tote or bookies would offer. Based on their assessment they probably wouldn't have had a bet in the race. Catalyst may be better value in his next race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooncoin Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, All The Aces said: I advised best price that I could find Mooncoin after checking with all the various agencies. I will leave it with you to work out as to why I tried to find best price. FYI I had three cracks one at $1.70 & 2 more at $1.60. Just wish Curious and Bazza were offering odds. $4.50 & $4.30 would have been beautiful. No bets for me today though. Keeping powder dry for next week if it lines up. Roger that Ace! The point I was trying to make(or question answered)was... Think Barry etc were asking (or not) Did you declare you were backing C (pre race)or was the $1:70 Neds the signal? But I think you have answered that above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 11 hours ago, MarkyMark said: thomas please stick to facts, and engage in reasonable discussion as i will try to. a small technical thing: if you want to break anyone's post into smaller bits, what you need to do is to go to the start of where you want to quote, Highlight the text you to quote, that will then give you the option to click 'quote this'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 31/01/2020 at 11:49 PM, MarkyMark said: let us please stick to facts, and better yet, use normal english. Alors...Im coming from a very solid knowledge base after years in the Industry...proven beyond doubt from any person who claims to be able to read... ive read plenty of your commentary, however most of your rhetoric on here suggest your involvement has been more punting related. i dont know why you suggest im involved in Harness, i have no involvement in the code, apart from the very occasional bet, very occasional, so i dont know why you suggest otherwise. i know myself better than you, as does Clayton, and what he does with Catalyst, will know better than you, lets not dispute this please.comments like this i do not understand " Alors...you're a thieves on wheels purveyor...your namesake and obvious hero is a TRUE BLUE dinky Di magic drug cheat who lives with a drug dealer... Id go back to the Harness section if I was you...where some other Harness Type called you a "tosser" if im missing something, enlighten me with facts please, because im incredibly lost and have absolutely no idea at all in what you are trying to say or referring to. i didnt see the interview, was that said by owner or clayton, or both? because whats interesting about that comment, is even with blinkers on, he was not flash at beginning anyway. He raced with blinkers on at Ruakaka got back and rattled home, and at hawkes bay raced near speed, i love his versatility, but with blinkers on anyway was not flash at beginning in most of his previous starts, watch his replays if you try and suggest otherwise. Sectional wise, and without use of blinkers, and first up so not 100% tuned, he arguably went his best race yet at ellerslie? would you dispute this? my argument for saying his best race, is by sectionals, and comparative time versus that of open handicap field. those sectionals were amazing. and he had more up his sleeve. so for mine, and in my opinion he doesnt need blinkers, but being sharper out of gaits would most certainly help him, he cant afford to be slow or tardy out of gates against some of aussies best. so given in most of his career starts to date, and that he has in alot of his races, not been a great starter even with the use of blinkers, and that he has raced in different positions during the run previously i.e. ruakaka and hawkes bay, i do not believe you could say blinkers would have improved him, for his win at ellerslie. to me, sectionally, versus that of other runs, he was actually comparatively alot quicker. if you disagree, id be intrigued to your argument, in english and ideally with substance. you suggest Clayton was moving away from a tried and true formula, but i disagree, because with the blinkers on in his previous starts, whilst he hasnt been a good jumper anyway, has raced in various positions in the running, and hasnt always been handy. see your quote below, " You see Blinkered horses GENERALLY Jump handy...it concentrates the mind...and it's what will be required to match the likes of AB's tactical Speed where it'll race handy... ..out of trouble and where most races are won.. Changing a tried and true formula just because he thinks C doesn't need them anymore is balmy army stuff....." and lastly, you suggest Clayton has made an error, and shown somehow a lack of experience, how is it so that as a successfull jumps jockey, with plenty of experience in pre training, working and being a trainer in his own right for quite a few years now, how is it so that Clayton in your own words is "very inexperienced". I think this shows a complete lack of respect for him, and whilst i do not know Clayton very well at all despite runing into him a few times at races before, for you to say this i believe is rather poor. He has won how many on the bounce, and one of nzs most exciting horses, i think Clayton has done extremely well, and i struggle to see were inexperience from clayton has been detrimental in anyway shape or form. if anything, i really like how the horse is not a one trick pony, and can be versatile in his running position, i think this will help the horse very much in tougher assignments in the future. thomas please stick to facts, and engage in reasonable discussion as i will try to. i apologize to you for my disrespectful comments to you in my first message and take that back, with name calling, that was poor form on my behalf. cheers So...took all Morning to read this after a weekend bender... Apols accepted... IMO...just in case readers are thinking I know EVERYTHING FACT..Chip hasn't had many neddys to the races at all....largely a pre trainer until now Experienced race day trainers like Jammie Richards know what gear to use and when...4/5 of his last Kraka Million night wins...have had gear added... So basically the whole field charged the gates...this could have been due to the new Starter not fully pressing the button...or a horse charging the gate setting off the rest... Chip thought it was C charging...and then on the back foot...even though all the others similarly got on the back foot as well... If he was charging and SOLELY the cause...then he's become unsettled from seeing peripheral movement without having Blinkers On... IMO ...he needs them back on to negate that possibility...and also the very real fact that Blinker wearers bounce better with concentration enhancers applied BLINKERS... Case in point...Prix De Fer now 5 in a row since having them re Applied... As mentioned previously wrt his sectionals...he had an absolutely clear run..ridden for luck...in a small field...it was like a parting of the Red Sea... Clearly the horse is exceptional....but it'd be a big mistake to not put Blinkers back on and take advantage of all that has to offer...up against top class opposition... ....why not try them off..if he fails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Experienced race day trainers like Jammie Richards know what gear to use and when...4/5 of his last Kraka Million night wins...have had gear added... Maybe Jamie should change who breaks their horses in and educates them. Why didn't WINX wear blinkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Maybe they're not all robots?? wtf knew? Even homosapians behave uniquely...be it from past abusive experiences or perceived imagined ones.... ...perhaps Winxy ran with a big yearling mob and learnt to take gaps without fear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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