hunterthepunter Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Would be nice if they did run on fresh air , but to be at the top of the tree in any sport does take helping aids of all sorts , just ask the European Professional Cyclists. Elmer Fudd too lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rangatira said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZIh8vdzNQE the brodsters fathers horse in the trail although he used to pretend it was his What a great Messenger win to Placid Victor. 7 years before that The very first night I ever went to trots was Messenger Night 1978 and LOCARNO won brilliantly .I was hooked for life after that. Chestnut Champion Locarno went on to get an Interdominion 2nd and a miracle Mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 23 hours ago, Rangatira said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZIh8vdzNQE the brodsters fathers horse in the trail although he used to pretend it was his Uncle I believe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 23 hours ago, Gammalite said: Would be nice if they did run on fresh air , but to be at the top of the tree in any sport does take helping aids of all sorts , just ask the European Professional Cyclists. No surprise there with that comment coming from a convicted drugs cheat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 3/02/2020 at 2:13 PM, Gammalite said: Well that was my funny answer. Sorry it didn't work. Are you talking 'Adore Me' ? She was a powerful animal with a bum like Black Caviar, also NZ cups and 1.48 miles. Very manly !!!!??? Total opposite from your typical bettor's! Many unanswered questions there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 3/02/2020 at 8:01 PM, Gammalite said: Maybe their Testosterone levels are UP from the EXCITEMENT of reading the great supportive posts on here. hahahaha Queensland is that where all the biggest cheats come from??? eg race fixing ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 3/02/2020 at 9:18 AM, Gammalite said: Yes and their Natural Ability is quite high isn't it ? I think 'the fiver' is The Fixer in disguise , obviously these races lately too short for him, go another lap and he comes into play. You are fighting yourself Blossom accusing 'Chase Auckland' as being the most over-rated ALLSTARS runner in the barn, yet it runs 3rd in a 500k feature race last Sat in Hunter Cup, he wins your Group one NZ FFA , That Cambridge Mile there as well, well that is sensational then !!! What a fantastic effort (if he is so over-rated?) Wouldn't mind racing him at all. Well done Chase Auckland . Your BIG question is accusations of drug cheating ??? Don't they swab them at Auckland as well as Victoria ?? I lost count of the Group 1 wins in December at Auckland (and the Addington NZ Cup carnival) Where are your positive swabs then ? Or are you just hoping and not enjoying the racing as you should be ? I have an interesting theory on why so many ALLSTARS break down. Champion Trainer/Driver Vin Knight had the same problems. Talk about that another time. Never queried natural ability. Just the unnatural performances that are put up by Allstar runners in 99% of races. The fixer was poor in low level free for all. You cannot justify his recent Victorian performances as anything but. End of story. I've seen far better performances by kiwi horses in past hunter cups. And from more honest stables. As a convicted drug cheat yourself I would have thought you would have been aware that the cheaters are always 2or 3 steps ahead of testing. Remember mark is a self admitted drug cheat himself .as for your Queensland friend if you are quite happy putting illegal drugs into one's self what will you put into your own horses! As a convicted drug cheat yourself can you please explain to us all how allstars can go from being good trainers winning a reasonable amount of stake races for a stable of that ilk to a stable that has been nigh on unbeatable for the last 6 seasons? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Blossom lady said: explain to us all how allstars can go from being good trainers winning a reasonable amount of stake races for a stable of that ilk to a stable that has been nigh on unbeatable for the last 6 seasons? The same as Emma Stewart in Victoria, Gary Hall snr in Wa, Grant Dixon in Qland and the McCarthys in NSW. Because they are the top of their areas are they all drug cheats? NO!! They have big buying clients and the best horses with the most modern training facilities. Same at the All Stars. Domination lasts in each area while the above is happenning. Then things change, horses retire, owners get old and a new boy/girl on the block arrives. Happens everywhere and will happen here. Then they become the target of all the jealously and rumours. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Blossom lady said: Never queried natural ability. Just the unnatural performances that are put up by Allstar runners in 99% of races. The fixer was poor in low level free for all. You cannot justify his recent Victorian performances as anything but. End of story. I've seen far better performances by kiwi horses in past hunter cups. And from more honest stables. As a convicted drug cheat yourself I would have thought you would have been aware that the cheaters are always 2or 3 steps ahead of testing. Remember mark is a self admitted drug cheat himself .as for your Queensland friend if you are quite happy putting illegal drugs into one's self what will you put into your own horses! As a convicted drug cheat yourself can you please explain to us all how allstars can go from being good trainers winning a reasonable amount of stake races for a stable of that ilk to a stable that has been nigh on unbeatable for the last 6 seasons? Hi Blossom and NZ , when I left NZ in the 80's the Purdons were top of the tree. This photo from the year I left. Brosnan and Stormonts were both back on 40 winners. 100 season wins was unbelievable!!!. We were amazed and in AWE at their wonderful success then and right up to now. 35 years later nothing has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gammalite said: As a convicted drug cheat yourself can you please explain to us all how allstars can go from being good trainers winning a reasonable amount of stake races for a stable of that ilk to a stable that has been nigh on unbeatable for the last 6 seasons? This answer is very easy Blossom . 1. You must agree that with Millionaire backing you end up with the Best Racing Stock. Try Godolphin as an example on a larger scale on the racing scene, than say Grant here in Queensland Harness. 2. The opposition has fallen away somewhat in recent years in NZ . Barry still wins in the north a few big ones Belle of Montana, etc. What are your accusations there? or are you just on an ALLSTARS bender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Hi Blossom and NZ , when I left NZ in the 80's the Purdons were top of the tree. This photo from the year I left. Brosnan and Stormonts were both back on 40 winners. 100 season wins was unbelievable!!!. We were amazed and in AWE at their wonderful success then and right up to now. 35 years later nothing has changed. You are WRONG. While Roy and Barry were leading trainers back then they did have the total domination allstars have now. This era where were allstars well bred horses7 years ago? You cannot compare Dixon in Queensland he is a protected species and his main rivals outed for suspected race fixing etc.And he doesn't totally dominate like Allstars.mind you no one does. Edited February 4, 2020 by Blossom lady Error 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: Queensland is that where all the biggest cheats come from??? eg race fixing ect If you are talking Australia or NZ maybe you can tell me what Inca is. I'm not sure. Country Victoria has many trainers/ drivers out , Nathan Jack a leading driver currently out . Mark Pitt also tied up with that one. He trained Shez All Rock to a group one win and then it went to Mark over there and won some big ones . Top filly. !! Our leading driver Shane Graham still out with race fix charge, Leading trainer Daryll Graham was running 2nd to Grant Dixon but now out with Cobalt. Real problems in the galloping scene is that cobalt over here. Do they have it there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: Queensland is that where all the biggest cheats come from??? eg race fixing ect Rotten to the core up there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gammalite said: If you are talking Australia or NZ maybe you can tell me what Inca is. I'm not sure. Country Victoria has many trainers/ drivers out , Nathan Jack a leading driver currently out . Mark Pitt also tied up with that one. He trained Shez All Rock to a group one win and then it went to Mark over there and won some big ones . Top filly. !! Our leading driver Shane Graham still out with race fix charge, Leading trainer Daryll Graham was running 2nd to Grant Dixon but now out with Cobalt. Real problems in the galloping scene is that cobalt over here. Do they have it there? How good is shez all rock now? one of many ruined by all stars. People say what a great " horseman" Purdon is! Horse welfare isn't top of his list$ some of the stories from staff members at all stars not great. The heaven rocks ones are horrific! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Gammalite said: As a convicted drug cheat yourself I would have thought you would have been aware that the cheaters are always 2or 3 steps ahead of testing. Remember mark is a self admitted drug cheat himself .as for your Queensland friend if you are quite happy putting illegal drugs into one's self what will you put into your own horses! Your understanding of treating horses and penalties for such is out of touch . You are trying to charge on assumption ALLSTARS, by way of what you think their horses should be doing , what they do, and then grizzle when they are beaten like Chase Auckland and The Fixer. Do you want them to win or not ? Innocent until Proven Guilty Blossom . Where is your evidence?. Those that are caught with steroids, supplements do their time and come back in and are re-licensed and away they go again, Hasn't that happened in NZ ? You are right in that quite a few in Aus have done time several times e.g Webberley in Tas, Alan Donahue in QLD , they have had much success in the inbetween times with a great array of horses and wins over the years, but keeping your horse feeling good is a risky business if you don't get the balance right. Go away with your injecting self accusations, as have never injected self and know of no-one actually that has ever. More Blossom crude assumptions/ accusations? Do you actually like Harness Racing ? Answer honestly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: How good is shez all rock now? one of many ruined by all stars. People say what a great " horseman" Purdon is! Horse welfare isn't top of his list$ some of the stories from staff members at all stars not great. The heaven rocks ones are horrific! Unfortunately I don't know the answer to Shez All rock. Had 3 starts 2018 for 3 wins for Mark is all I can see. Am sorry if staff and 'Heaven Rocks' have horrific stories as well but obviously am out of touch with that , but doesn't sound good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Blossom lady said: How good is shez all rock now? one of many ruined by all stars. People say what a great " horseman" Purdon is! Horse welfare isn't top of his list$ some of the stories from staff members at all stars not great. The heaven rocks ones are horrific! While munching breakfast, have been reflecting on your Post here Blossom. I can see you are privy to, and/or been exposed to much more than meets the eye from your earlier Posts. The bitter vitriol you have against ALLSTARS is deep-seated generated from this 'Inner Sanctum' stuff I know nothing about. I was quite happy to Debate through your silly personal insults , at your thoughts on Racetrack Perfomance of ALLSTARS and Mark and Nat's driving ability , which is there in all it's Glory, for us all to see. Stuff I know about and can comment on. This other stuff has left you very disturbed (possibly understandably) so a no win situation for anyone. So we will leave it at that. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: Queensland is that where all the biggest cheats come from??? eg race fixing ect Thank you Hunter for bringing the 'Police Raid Stables' page up to the front. That answered my question to you of 'what is Inca?. Very interesting reading about race Fixing. The answer is 'it needs Proof from betting activity' The ongoing Queensland case with Shane Graham involved a disqualified horseman who had $3000 on the winner. Now after reading your article on Inca , I think, as a former race driver, this is the most accurate post of all from BRODIE that I saw. 100% Agree with Brodie here Quote:- , however if it is just people discussing driving tactics, this would hardly constitute race fixing, as this has been going on since racing probably started and drivers even discuss this on Trackside prior to races. Some of you will be well aware of what has been said, but from what I have heard, whether it be right or wrong, nothing like race fixing at all. Most of the drivers know each other pretty well and would often discuss things prior to a race. Are you saying that the drivers for a stable that has 4 or 5 runners in a big race never discuss things prior to the race??? Of course they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Blossom lady said: How good is shez all rock now? one of many ruined by all stars. People say what a great " horseman" Purdon is! Horse welfare isn't top of his list$ some of the stories from staff members at all stars not great. The heaven rocks ones are horrific! many good Storie can be told there what happen to the horse that beat them 4 times in a row ??? we all no what happened there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 14 hours ago, Blossom lady said: The heaven rocks ones are horrific! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Gammalite, the AllStars dominance is in the Group races or all the races with the big money up. If they were winning maiden races and one win races continually then that can be explained that it is due to their better training techniques. The reality is that their horses are far superior to all other stables in NZ by a substantial margin in the big stakes races. You can not possibly believe that it is due to just having big paying owners or Mark and Nat having a better eye than any other trainer in NZ! If it was down To the way they train their horses, then that can not be true or else Blair Orange and other trainers who have worked at the AllStars stables should also know these techniques and be winning far more races than they do. The interesting fact is that when the principals of the AllStars stables are over in Oz, the AllStars horses in Nz racing are always very very disappointing aren’t they? What we do know is that they are not shy in using anything that could be beneficial to a horses racing ability whether it is known to be legal or hasn’t been made illegal yet! The dominance can not be attributed to just being more professional, that is just Bollacks, and you know it! Edited February 5, 2020 by Brodie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Gammalite, the AllStars dominance is in the Group races or all the races with the big money up. If they were winning maiden races and one win races continually then that can be explained that it is due to their better training techniques. The reality is that their horses are far superior to all other stables in NZ by a substantial margin in the big stakes races. You can not possibly believe that it is due to just having big paying owners or Mark and Nat having a better eye than any other trainer in NZ! If it was down To the way they train their horses, then that can not be true or else Blair Orange and other trainers who have worked at the AllStars stables should also know these techniques and be winning far more races than they do. The interesting fact is that when the principals of the AllStars stables are over in Oz, the AllStars horses in Nz racing are always very very disappointing aren’t they? What we do know is that they are not shy in using anything that could be beneficial to a horses racing ability whether it is known to be legal or hasn’t been made illegal yet! The dominance can not be attributed to just being more professional, that is just Bollacks, and you know it! Brodie you are a smart man, Did you see I agree with your 'perceived Race-Fix' summary 100%. Well written mate. Big Paying owners Are a major contributor to any stables success, AND you know it. This thread was about the ALLSTARs failing in Aus (which is just poor opinion discussed earlier ) more so than NZ recently but if you say they are disappointing you over there at the moment, I have to believe you. And I know it. If it's NOT illegal , you CAN use it . Whatever IT may be. and you know it. Personally I hate those nose ugly white nasal Patches, and notice the Dunn's (are they 2nd best there) copying trying to stay in touch. Should be banned like on thoroughbreds. Blair might'en want to give up their secrets mate? He is their friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brodie said: The dominance can not be attributed to just being more professional, that is just Bollacks, and you know it! is the soil really fertile in redwood and rolleston Edited February 5, 2020 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 19 hours ago, Gammalite said: Your understanding of treating horses and penalties for such is out of touch . You are trying to charge on assumption ALLSTARS, by way of what you think their horses should be doing , what they do, and then grizzle when they are beaten like Chase Auckland and The Fixer. Do you want them to win or not ? Innocent until Proven Guilty Blossom . Where is your evidence?. Those that are caught with steroids, supplements do their time and come back in and are re-licensed and away they go again, Hasn't that happened in NZ ? You are right in that quite a few in Aus have done time several times e.g Webberley in Tas, Alan Donahue in QLD , they have had much success in the inbetween times with a great array of horses and wins over the years, but keeping your horse feeling good is a risky business if you don't get the balance right. Go away with your injecting self accusations, as have never injected self and know of no-one actually that has ever. More Blossom crude assumptions/ accusations? Do you actually like Harness Racing ? Answer honestly. I have never or ever will say these people have injected themselves. mark himself admitted being a drug cheat and as for the other one the personal drug taking will come out in the inca case. It may surprise you but there is more ways to take drugs than injecting them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Gammalite said: While munching breakfast, have been reflecting on your Post here Blossom. I can see you are privy to, and/or been exposed to much more than meets the eye from your earlier Posts. The bitter vitriol you have against ALLSTARS is deep-seated generated from this 'Inner Sanctum' stuff I know nothing about. I was quite happy to Debate through your silly personal insults , at your thoughts on Racetrack Perfomance of ALLSTARS and Mark and Nat's driving ability , which is there in all it's Glory, for us all to see. Stuff I know about and can comment on. This other stuff has left you very disturbed (possibly understandably) so a no win situation for anyone. So we will leave it at that. Cheers "Disturbed" ha ha good one. So the people in this industry who want a level playing field are disturbed then! To me it just seems you are very ignorant or just maybe have your head buried deep in that Queensland sand. one thing you are right on is I know more than I am letting on on a number of things! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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