Brodie Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Grass track racing can often throw out long shot winners who haven’t previously shown much grass track form! The length of grass mush make a heck of a difference as to how well a horse will go. A horse that likes an all weather track you would think would prefer shorter grass and a quicker surface where an absolute plugger would,prefer a much longer grass. If you look at the replays from Oamaru on 30th November 2019 and the grass length on 15th February it is like chalk and cheese. The November grass was quite short and yet the length last week was like a paddock grown for grazing. How on earth are punters meant to know the length of grass without the TAB advising the punters whether the grass was short or long? Yes I know you can see it on Trackside once the racing starts but for early punters, is it possible for clubs to advise this??? Edited February 22, 2020 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 9 hours ago, Brodie said: Grass track racing can often throw out long shot winners who haven’t previously shown much grass track form! The length of grass mush make a heck of a difference as to how well a horse will go. A horse that likes an all weather track you would think would prefer shorter grass and a quicker surface where an absolute plugger would,prefer a much longer grass. If you look at the replays from Oamaru on 30th November 2019 and the grass length on 15th February it is like chalk and cheese. The November grass was quite short and yet the length last week was like a paddock grown for grazing. How on earth are punters meant to know the length of grass without the TAB advising the punters whether the grass was short or long? Yes I know you can see it on Trackside once the racing starts but for early punters, is it possible for clubs to advise this??? what length would you say the the grass was in these two instances ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I'm the only person I know, and I know at least a dozen people, three of which are racegoers, that dislike grass track racing. That said, I would still take a day at the grass track races, than a day of no racing. I can only think of one explanation for the different lengths of grass, as highlighted by Brodie... The old Morrison has finally given up... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 12 hours ago, Brodie said: The length of grass mush make a heck of a difference as to how well a horse will go. wayne-oh, what is the targeted grass length when they last mow it and how many days out ? I think that methven friday meeting was on longer grass than usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: wayne-oh, what is the targeted grass length when they last mow it and how many days out ? I think that methven friday meeting was on longer grass than usual rabbit-oh what length do you think it should be???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: rabbit-oh what length do you think it should be???? re plant it in timothy hay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rangatira said: re plant it in timothy hay crusader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: wayne-oh, what is the targeted grass length when they last mow it and how many days out ? I think that methven friday meeting was on longer grass than usual There should be some consistency! As I said look at the Oamaru meetings I quoted and tell me that there is even a semblance of consistency. The track last week must’ve had a hell of a lot of water put on it and wasn’t cut. This has to affect a horses performance and punters need to know whether the grass is long or short. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, Brodie said: There should be some consistency! As I said look at the Oamaru meetings I quoted and tell me that there is even a semblance of consistency. The track last week must’ve had a hell of a lot of water put on it and wasn’t cut. This has to affect a horses performance and punters need to know whether the grass is long or short. Can generally see the length of grass looking at them warm up before the first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Brodie said: There should be some consistency! As I said look at the Oamaru meetings I quoted and tell me that there is even a semblance of consistency. The track last week must’ve had a hell of a lot of water put on it and wasn’t cut. This has to affect a horses performance and punters need to know whether the grass is long or short. there is some consistency rangatira still trying to bully have to agree brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 53 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Can generally see the length of grass looking at them warm up before the first Yes I am well aware of that. However, for people who want to bet before the first race there should be some indication somewhere. I note the track has been changed from good this morning to dead now! The track has a lot grass on it and would be pretty tiring for the horses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 53 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes I am well aware of that. However, for people who want to bet before the first race there should be some indication somewhere. I note the track has been changed from good this morning to dead now! The track has a lot grass on it and would be pretty tiring for the horses what has the club told you so far ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: there is some consistency rangatira still trying to bully have to agree brodie lol @ bully only trying to find how much homework and who wayne-oh has got in touch with i am hoping this is not just another whine for the sake of whining 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Rangatira said: lol @ bully only trying to find how much homework and who wayne-oh has got in touch with i am hoping this is not just another whine for the sake of whining your homework is not on the money there are two people that are on the money and both them are females Edited February 23, 2020 by hunterthepunter spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 18 hours ago, Brodie said: How on earth are punters meant to know the length of grass without the TAB advising the punters whether the grass was short or long? Talk about a Brodie case of paralysis by over analysis, punters are not stupid and anyways as you dont bet anymore why are you making such a big deal about it. Surely if it mattered and was a key ingredient in winning ways you would not bring it up, Grass track conditions etc are dictated to by weather and irrigation where the grass is moisture deficient. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: lol @ bully only trying to find how much homework and who wayne-oh has got in touch with i am hoping this is not just another whine for the sake of whining FFS Ranga, the posting was made on the basis that someone from HRNZ or the TAB would read it and consider doing this! This is a forum where we are here to discuss thoughts and opinions rather than you thinking I am having a whine!!!!!!!! If you haven’t got an opinion then Don’t comment, continue just changing your picture as you seem to want to do for some unknown reason? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 19 hours ago, Brodie said: Grass track racing can often throw out long shot winners who haven’t previously shown much grass track form! The length of grass mush make a heck of a difference as to how well a horse will go. A horse that likes an all weather track you would think would prefer shorter grass and a quicker surface where an absolute plugger would,prefer a much longer grass. If you look at the replays from Oamaru on 30th November 2019 and the grass length on 15th February it is like chalk and cheese. The November grass was quite short and yet the length last week was like a paddock grown for grazing. How on earth are punters meant to know the length of grass without the TAB advising the punters whether the grass was short or long? Yes I know you can see it on Trackside once the racing starts but for early punters, is it possible for clubs to advise this??? Many of the horses I been backing have been finding the grass to high, and the tracks to long, anyone else having that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shad said: Many of the horses I been backing have been finding the grass to high, and the tracks to long, anyone else having that issue. Yes!!! And sulky wheels being very oversized too, and getting locked up with my one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Talk about a Brodie case of paralysis by over analysis, punters are not stupid and anyways as you dont bet anymore why are you making such a big deal about it. Surely if it mattered and was a key ingredient in winning ways you would not bring it up, Grass track conditions etc are dictated to by weather and irrigation where the grass is moisture deficient. Greg What a load of clap trap JJ!! It is a major ingredient as to how a horse runs. Today there were many horses that just didn’t handle the long grass. Off course the track conditions are determined by the weather, irrigation and dry, that is my damn point!!!! Punters that net early should be advised as to how much grass there is!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Brodie said: What a load of clap trap JJ!! It is a major ingredient as to how a horse runs. Today there were many horses that just didn’t handle the long grass. Off course the track conditions are determined by the weather, irrigation and dry, that is my damn point!!!! Punters that net early should be advised as to how much grass there is!!! More nonsense IMHO. The grass tracks you refer to will be a product of NZTR dictate> Even Rangiora being a trial course has to be mowed to a certain length before trials and or races can be run. If you had said they need to have a TB penetrometer reading pre race then why not say so in the first place.. Do you really want to know how high the grass is every one metre or so- your dreaming on this one sunshine and only the loonies will back you up. You say you dont bet but its probably a good thing . Things have moved on and you are obviously not type to move on with them. Greg Edited February 23, 2020 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Are they grass tracks - if so, then they should have grass on them. No use shaving them down like a bowling green. I think we have all seen with all weather grit tracks there is often quite a difference with the amount of "top" on them. Some clubs deliberately seem to present the tracks with next to no top in endeavour set records. But you will find that for every record they achieve, there are a lot more horses breaking down. I think there is too much emphasis put on records. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Shad said: Many of the horses I been backing have been finding the grass to high, and the tracks to long, anyone else having that issue. bring back mile racing????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: More nonsense IMHO. The grass tracks you refer to will be a product of NZTR dictate> Even Rangiora being a trial course has to be mowed to a certain length before trials and or races can be run. If you had said they need to have a TB penetrometer reading pre race then why not say so in the first place.. Do you really want to know how high the grass is every one metre or so- your dreaming on this one sunshine and only the loonies will back you up. You say you dont bet but its probably a good thing . Things have moved on and you are obviously not type to move on with them. Greg how did Nevada handle the wet yesterday greg??? should there been penetrometer reading???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: More nonsense IMHO. The grass tracks you refer to will be a product of NZTR dictate> Even Rangiora being a trial course has to be mowed to a certain length before trials and or races can be run. If you had said they need to have a TB penetrometer reading pre race then why not say so in the first place.. Do you really want to know how high the grass is every one metre or so- your dreaming on this one sunshine and only the loonies will back you up. You say you dont bet but its probably a good thing . Things have moved on and you are obviously not type to move on with them. Greg JJ, the Oamaru grass track today has had tons of water applied going by his green it was. It also has not been mowed for a number of weeks going by how long and lush the grass was. No point continuing but all I am saying is that for early punters they should be advised that the track has a long sole of grass! No investments today when I saw how long the grass was but otherwise going very well,thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Brodie said: FFS Ranga, the posting was made on the basis that someone from HRNZ or the TAB would read it and consider doing this! can you point me to a few instances where HRNZ or the TAB have responded on here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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