Rangatira Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: keep ringing happy good advice hedgerow reception can be patchy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, the galah said: Do you really think i have to spell it out for you? How about you start with those who have previously been charged with similar offences. The best way to predict current behaviour is to look to past behaviour. Also you should look at those stables that have abnormally high injury rates which would indicate the use of pain suppressants.And occasionally there have been examples of sudden multiple deaths at stables,although i'm not aware of any stables who have had that in the last couple of years. Then just go watch the way some horses come back to scale after running record times,and look like they could go and run again in the next race. The occasional horse can do that,but every horse in the stable? Like i said some stables can do this and still say they are doing nothing illegal, often because they are ahead of the game in that respect. i think the above is limited to a handful of stables. In the big scheme of things i don't think Mcgrath was a big fish in that respect. Just an easy catch. I should say i believe the same applies in both the north and south island. One, of the most inconsistent stables in the north island has horses who often run average at cambridge but go way better at auckland.. I'm thinking of a second tier stable here. just have a look at the published tco2 levels for an indication of why. Edited April 11, 2020 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 hours ago, the galah said: On one hand its confirmation of what anyone with 2 eyes open has been saying for years. 7 minutes ago, the galah said: Do you really think i have to spell it out for you? No you don't need to spell it out but those other 'stables' continue to operate outside the law quite nicely even though anyone with 2 eyes open knows it? So why change. McGrath may have just run of out of cards in his deck to play with and he knew it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 What I cant understand is why was the riu hiding in the bushes for isnt that trespassing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: No you don't need to spell it out but those other 'stables' continue to operate outside the law quite nicely even though anyone with 2 eyes open knows it? So why change. Youv'e got to start somewhere. Turning a blind eye had been the standard modus operandi by previous stipes/ RIU for years. How may times did they come out and warn that they would be testing for... in the future. Why,because they and industry leaders were never interested in catching anyone. Its always had been just hot air. Make no mistake,the previous inaction of the RIU is partly responsible for much of the current cases . Go back a few years and you had those running the show doing everything they could to cover up any wrongdoings,and the stipes openly picking on the small fry participants over nothings while turning a blind eye to blatant corruption. Now the current RIU have actually taken action they should be given credit for their actions. Not rubbished and be attacked personally like so many seem to do. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, the galah said: Now the current RIU have actually taken action they should be given credit for their actions When did their ethos change? Gradual or sudden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: When did their ethos change? Gradual or sudden? I think that came about partly a result of new personnel within the RIU and partly because of revelations gaining traction outside the RIU that had to be addressed.. Its been gradual.. And i don't always agree with some of their actions,but i understand they are trying to enforce the rules and deserve credit for taking that approach Its not just on the investigation side of things. Look at the stipe report side of things. Those who operate in the north island have been round for years and seem half blind sometimes when it comes to some high profile drivers. The younger south island stipes don't seem to miss much in comparison and don't give preferential treatment if you are high profile.. At the end of the day the industry requires punters,and punters need to believe the integrity side of things are being taken care of. Edited April 11, 2020 by the galah 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 who runs the show is it Riu ?? or someone else???? New South Wales had bit trouble years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Very surprised longowner hasn't posted a comment here. He normally doesn't miss a chance to put the boot into the RIU. Especially when one of his trainers are involved. I know you are here reading all this Martin! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: keep ringing happy They might be partying in Rolly but I will try again later. Before I ring, I will polish the phone so I don't leave any fingerprints on it. Pretty good investigators these RIU chaps. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Mehe said: What I cant understand is why was the riu hiding in the bushes for isnt that trespassing true was trespassing no warrant left with nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Can you tell me if they were banana trees as they seem like a bunch of monkeys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: true was trespassing no warrant left with nothing Is that your defence in support for your trainer! once he's signed his licence riu allowed on property . Just not allowed to enter house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) But blossom they were hiding like little kids I'm sure that's not in the rules that he would have signed I know they can come on to your property but I think you will find that they have to let you know that they are there when they arrive Edited April 11, 2020 by Mehe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 They probably rang the front door bell and no one answered so they "took a look around" ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, eljay said: They probably rang the front door bell and no one answered so they "took a look around" ? did they get lost heard they meant to be on Levi road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 No they were hiding in the bushes so no looking around 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mehe said: No they were hiding in the bushes so no looking around Somebody was obviously tipped off for RIU to take such measures. Given the Driving charge etc he or those he associates with him might have some serious enemies. Seems a pattern is possibly emerging? Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Yes maybe so but cant they be adults about it and go and say hey we gave had some one say your doing some naughty things do you mind if we look around 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Mehe said: Yes maybe so but cant they be adults about it and go and say hey we gave had some one say your doing some naughty things do you mind if we look around Surely you would agree that at this stage nobody bar the RIU,NM and his Accomplice know exactly what was said or happened. As its coming up before the JCA for now any comments are just speculative. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Yes your right but they were hiding in the bushes do you not understand that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Mehe said: Yes your right but they were hiding in the bushes do you not understand that is that a fact it is pretty bizarre behaviour if they were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 so the jungle drums are beating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Somebody was obviously tipped off for RIU to take such measures. Given the Driving charge etc he or those he associates with him might have some serious enemies. Seems a pattern is possibly emerging? Greg are you saying there was a tip off??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, Rangatira said: is that a fact it is pretty bizarre behaviour if they were I just did some investigating and I have been told from a good source that they were hiding in the bushes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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